Nato plans push eastwards to quell Pakistan based insurgents

So was the current raid part of the latest strategy? Drones were a starter, maybe we might need to get used to more similar incursions now.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/02/nato-offensive-east-afghanistan-pakistan

**Nato plans push in eastern Afghanistan to quell Pakistan-based insurgents
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Exclusive: Isaf aims to reduce threat to Kabul by insurgent groups and has not ruled out cross-border raids into Pakistan

Nato commanders are planning a substantial offensive in eastern Afghanistan aimed at insurgent groups based in Pakistan, involving an escalation of aerial attacks on insurgent sanctuaries, and have not ruled out cross-border raids with ground troops.

The aim of the offensive over the next two years is to reduce the threat represented by Pakistan-based groups loyal to insurgent leaders like the Haqqani clan, Mullah Nazir and Hafiz Gul Bahadur. Nato hopes to reduce the level of attacks in the eastern provinces clustered around Kabul to the point where they could be contained by Afghan security forces after transition in 2014.

The move is likely to add to the already tense atmosphere following the recent border post attack by Nato helicopters that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers. On Thursday, Pakistan’s army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, ordered his troops to return fire if they came under attack again by its ally.

While drawing down forces in Helmand and Kandahar, the US will step up its presence in eastern provinces bordering Pakistan, bringing the long-festering issue of insurgent sanctuaries in the Pakistani tribal areas to a head. The message being given to the Pakistani military is that if it cannot or will not eliminate the havens, US forces will attempt the job themselves.
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Western officials had been encouraged by the fact that a blitz of drone strikes against commanders loyal to insurgent leaders Jalaluddin and his son Sirajuddin in Miran Shah, the capital of North Waziristan, and against forces loyal to Mullah Nazir in South Waziristan, had produced few civilian casualties and no reaction from the Pakistanis.
Consequently, an increase in cross-border raids by special forces – and even the withdrawal of the Pakistani army to create a free-fire zone – have not been excluded.**

“The Pakistanis may not have the strength to defeat the Taliban and the Haqqanis on their own, even if they wanted to,” a western diplomat said.

It is unclear to what extent the killing of 24 Pakistan soldiers will have on the Nato strategy. An investigation is underway into the incident, which appears to have started with an exchange of fire between Pakistani and mixed Afghan-Nato forces, with the latter calling in air support. Nato sent in aircraft believing the fire from the Pakistani side was from insurgents.

As a consequence, Pakistan has closed supply routes used by the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) and barred the US from using a Pakistani air base to launch drones. However, Nato officers said that Pakistani forces had been co-operative in a similar incident on Tuesday, helping prevent it from escalating.

**Isaf statistics published earlier this week showed a 7% drop in insurgent attacks across Afghanistan in the first 10 months of this year compared to the same period last year. The decrease in the Helmand area was 29%. But in the eastern provinces the figures show a 21% rise in attacks, now the most violent area, accounting for 39% of all attacks.
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The Isaf commander, General John Allen, said the need to confront the sanctuaries in Pakistan was “one of the reasons we are shifting our operations to the east”.

In an interview in Kabul, Allen, a US marine, did not give specifics of the strategy and said nothing about cross-border operations. The day before the fatal border clash, he had met Kayani, to discuss cross-border co-operation ahead of the eastern surge, clearly hoping the move against the sanctuaries would be a joint effort.

Allen said he did not know what the long-term consequences of last Saturday’s clash would be, describing it as a “tragedy”, but made clear that the push to the east would continue.

“Ultimately the outcome we hope to achieve in the east is a reduction of the insurgent networks to the point where the ANSF [Afghan National Security Forces] can handle them, reducing them in 2012, if necessary going after them in 2013,” Allen said.“I wont go into the specifics of the operations but as we consolidate our holdings in the south and as the population centres there in the Helmand River valley and in [Kandahar], we will conduct substantial operations in the east … the idea being to expand the security zone around Kabul.”

In particular we are going to pay a lot of attention to the south of Kabul – Wardak, Logar, Ghazni, Zabul. Because in the end if you have a population in the south that feels secure and it’s secured by the ANSF, and you have a population in the east in and around the centre of the gravity of Kabul, and those two are connected by a road so you have freedom of movement, you have a pretty good outcome."

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The whole of this year Pakistanis have been complaining that they are facing cross border attacks from Eastern Afghanistan, but there was no action from the Americans now it seems as if even the situation of Eastern Afghanistan will be blamed on Pakistan, and might be used as a justification for further attacks on Pakistan.

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2012 also happens to be election year in the US, So I always expected war on terror to find new direction in early 2012.

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Like I said earlier this attack was to test the possibility of a ground troops in Pakistan.

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Ron Paul (Republican Presidential candidate) is saying for the past sometime that the Americans would occupy Pakistan.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/RonPaul-Pakistan-occupation/2011/05/18/id/396795

Ron Paul: US Faces Dead-End Occupation of Pakistan

Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:14 AM
**By Hiram Reisner

Rep. Ron Paul warns that U.S.-Pakistan relations are so perilous that he believes the United States could be sucked into a quagmire of occupying Pakistan. Repeating Wednesday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” his claims that the United States should have gone after Osama bin Laden differently, the Texas Republican also said U.S. methodologies have created a civil war in Pakistan.

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Rep. Ron Paul: “We have created a civil war” in Pakistan. (Getty Images Photo)

“The relationship with Pakistan — it’s an impossible situation. Here’s a country that we worked with them, George Bush worked with them, and we captured a lot of bad people, brought over the people responsible for the first bombing of [the World Trade Center] — but now you say we can’t work with them anymore,” Paul said.

“But, we keep bombing them — we kill innocent people there. How can we at one time take a country and pretend that we recognize that they’re our friend, give them billions of dollars to do our bidding, at the same time we kill people over there? And then the people resent this, and they turn against their whole government,” he said. “I see the whole thing as a mess, and I think we’re going to be in Pakistan — I think that’s the next occupation — and I fear it. I think it’s ridiculous and I think our foreign policy is such, we don’t need to be doing this.”

Paul said that, when he talks about taking down bin Laden differently, he is doing so in the context of U.S. foreign policy and not “in the fact of whether or not we should have gotten him.

“I think what’s the real tragedy is that we didn’t get him 10 years ago when we could have, and should have,” Paul said. “We now have spent a trillion dollars, we’ve lost 5,000 people — our soldiers — in fighting two wars that had nothing to do with bin Laden and, to me, we have to reassess the foreign policy, just like we have to reassess our economic policies here.”

Paul was asked whether he had information the United States was planning to occupy Pakistan.

Paul responded that he was basing his statements “on what has happened in the past . . . and all the unintended consequences, and what we have done, and how we are spreading, and the attitudes that have been pervasive in our government for the past 10 years — that we have this obligation to spread our goodness and protect our financial interests.”

“Right now, Pakistan is a big problem,” Paul said. “We have created a civil war there, in the fact that we go over there and we violate their security, and the people rebel against the government because they see their government as being a puppet of the American government.

“So it’s total chaos — and I am afraid we will be in Pakistan trying to occupy that country, and it probably will be very unsuccessful.”
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they are kiddin right! after 10 years ... they couldnt even bring peace and stability in Afghanistan!
infact things are alot worse there!! and they are thinking of of occupying Pakistan???
oh plzzz ... they cant even afford one more war! it would take them years to recover !!

ron paul is the same guy who wanted to abolish federal reserve which is symbol of jewish dominance.i think pak needs a revolution because everyone either top brass army officer or politicians are only serving there own intrest.justice should prevail otherwise we are going to see more egypts.

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they have started talking in plain english now... a number of people have always been saying, that Pakistan is the target, afghanistan will be only their base to launch the attack. but they have been ridiculed all the time.