NATO forces cross border into Pakistan.

NATO forces cross border into Pakistan.
Pakistan denies NATO claims.

Pakistan warns against more NATO raids

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By KIMBERLY DOZIER and CHRIS BRUMMITT (AP) – 2 hours ago

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan has told NATO leaders it will stop protecting U.S. and NATO supply lines to Afghanistan if foreign aircraft stage further cross-border attacks against fleeing militants, security officials said Tuesday.

If carried out, such a threat would have major consequences on the war in Afghanistan as well as on Pakistan’s relationship with the United States, which is vitally important for both nations. Analysts said there was little or no chance of Islamabad carrying though with it, however.

The threat was therefore seen as mostly aimed at tamping down criticism inside Pakistan, where anti-American sentiment runs high and where conspiracy theories that the U.S. army is poised to invade the nation from bases in Afghanistan are rampant.

But it was also a clear sign of Pakistani unease at the attacks on Saturday and Monday by NATO aircraft against militants in its northwest tribal areas and a reminder of the leverage the country has in its complicated alliance with Washington.

While Pakistan has remained largely silent about U.S. drone strikes in the northwest, Pakistani security officials say they are drawing a line at direct interference by U.S. and NATO manned aircraft. They rejected NATO statements that NATO air defense teams were acting to protect an Afghan border post against militants who had attacked it, then fled to Pakistan.

The Pakistani officers said Pakistan’s foreign ministry had conveyed the threat to stop protecting NATO convoys to NATO headquarters in Brussels. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to give their names to the media.

If there are any more attacks by U.S. or NATO choppers “we will not be able to ensure the safety of their convoys,” one of the officials told an Associated Press reporter at a private briefing.
On Monday, the foreign ministry strongly criticized the attacks and warned of “response options” if they happened again.

Some 80 percent of non-lethal supplies for foreign forces fighting in landlocked Afghanistan cross over Pakistani soil after being unloaded at docks in Karachi, a port city in the south.
Pakistani security forces provide security for the convoys, which are often attacked by militants as they travel north.

While NATO and the United States have alternative supply routes, the Pakistani ones are the cheapest and most convenient.

In Washington, Defense Department spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said he was unaware of any threats by Islamabad to stop providing convoy security. But “just on the face of it, if they were to stop providing security to our convoys that would be problematic. We would work with the Pakistanis to make sure that wouldn’t happen.”

The border incidents are alleged to have happened after insurgents attacked NATO forces in Afghanistan then retreated back across the unmarked border.

Vice Admiral Michael LeFever, the senior U.S. military representative in Pakistan, said the helicopters had not crossed into Pakistani territory, but had fired into it. He said such cross-border incidents were quite common and were usually coordinated with Pakistani military officers at the border.

LeFever suggested that foreign forces in the first incident had coordinated with their Pakistani counterparts but that senior Pakistani military officials got wind of them via media reports before their own officers were able to report them.

He dismissed suggestions of a serious rift in Pakistan’s alliance with the United States as a result of the incidents.
“The relationship has ebbed and flowed,” LeFever told the AP.
Talat Masood, a security analyst and former Pakistani army general, said even though Pakistan has reduced its criticism of the missile strikes, it had to draw the line somewhere or it risked being seen as more interested in doing America’s bidding than protecting the country’s sovereignty.

While Pakistan may be unlikely to pull security from the NATO convoys, the threat is more credible than others it could make and does remind the U.S. of the leverage the country has in the relationship.
“What other means of countering these helicopter attacks does Pakistan have?” said Masood. “They cannot attack the helicopters or the troops because that would really break up the relationship.”
He said one possible explanation for Pakistan’s reaction was its ever-present obsession with India, its historical and much larger enemy. He said the army was sending a signal that it would not accept Indian forces one day using the same justification to launch cross-border attacks on militants sheltering on its eastern flank.

The anger over the incursions contrasts with Pakistan’s relative silence over American drone strikes against al-Qaida and Taliban targets in the northwest. There have been more attacks this month than in any other since they began in earnest in 2007.

Associated Press reporters Ann Flaherty in Washington, Ishtiaq Mahshud in Dera Ismail Khan and Sebastian Abbot in Islamabad contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

re: NATO forces cross border into Pakistan.

http://afghanistan.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/27/nato-helicopters-cross-into-pakistan-chasing-insurgents/

NATO helicopters crossed into Pakistani airspace from Afghanistan in pursuit of insurgents over the weekend, killing 49 people, a spokesman told CNN Monday.

Crossing the border did not violate the International Security Assistance Force rules of engagement, Maj. Michael Johnson said.

Pakistan is very sensitive about United States-led military operations on its territory and issued a strong protest Monday.

Pakistan called the incursions “a clear violation and breach” of the United Nations rules for foreign forces in Afghanistan.

The United Nations “mandate terminates/finishes at the Afghanistan border. There are no agreed hot pursuit rules,” Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Johnson could not say whether the insurgents were killed in Afghanistan or Pakistan, or even whether the NATO helicopters fired their weapons in Pakistani territory.

They were responding to an insurgent attack on a remote Afghan National Security Force outpost in Khost province on Friday, ISAF said in a statement.

The statement suggests that the insurgents were shooting from the Pakistani side of the border.

“An air weapons team in the area observed the enemy fire, and following International Security Assistance Force rules of engagement, crossed into the area of enemy fire,” the statement said.

Johnson, the ISAF spokesman, could not say how often NATO forces crossed into Pakistani airspace - but said it had happened again Monday morning.

NATO is still getting the details on that incident, which he called “much smaller.”

re: NATO forces cross border into Pakistan.

not rumors... this happened, because Pakistan officially protested

Nato raid kills 3 Pakistani troops..

Seriously…kill 3 Pakistani troops and the best you can say is it was in Afghanistan. A swift kill in the balls is the most relevant response.

Edit: That was so not my title. My title was what I think of the American troops that killed Pakistanis. Its starts with M O T H E R and ends with F U C K E R S.

Re: Nato raid kills 3 Pakistani troops..

How many threads do you want to open on the same issue? Don’t you have another one in All Views section?

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/all-views/455976-i-guess-this-proves-they-really-are-our-friends.html#post7769447

Re: Nato raid kills 3 Pakistani troops..

I never saw you THAT much angry on Talibanic fasadis even though they killed hundreds of Pakistanis soldiers and policemen and thousands of Pakistani civilians.
What does it show about you?

Re: Nato raid kills 3 Pakistani troops..

this is your only post that makes sense

Re: Nato raid kills 3 Pakistani troops..

That merely shows you can't read. Do a search. Unless you are too stupid to know what that is.

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Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. Pakistan has stopped NATO using Pakistan as a supply route following this incident and I hope that this policy becomes permanent.

This killing was likely unintended, but that does not matter at all. Coming so soon after Pakistan made such vigorous protests about NATO miltry activity inside Pakistan shows an absolutely insulting disregard for our country. If they don't care about us, we should not care about them.

Re: Nato raid kills 3 Pakistani troops..

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shame on nato and so called allies

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If the supplies remain suspended for a few days then sense would prevail on the other side, no response what so ever on drone attacks is also emboldening them.

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Lessons to learn

1-Jaisa Karo gay waisa bharo gay.

2-Na Khuda hi Mila Na wisal e Sanam
Na Idher kay Rahay na Udher kay rahay

3-Ghareeb ki Joro Sub ki Bhabhi

Re: Nato raid kills 3 Pakistani troops..

Also should check with Rahman Malik it must b Taliban flying those choppers..lols
NATO cant/wont hurt us...

re: NATO forces cross border into Pakistan.

Well I was not sure when I started this thread, but now it is clear that NATO actually did cross Pakistani border which is a clear violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan and must be condemned by all means.

Re: Nato raid kills 3 Pakistani troops..

There is a clear difference between how your ENEMY treats your troops and how your alleged ALLIES treat your troops. So yes, there will be a different response...one expects the Taliban to kill Pak troops, it's what they do. It would be one thing to cheer the Talibs on, it's quite another to realize that there will be causalities in what is a civil war and have a measured response when news arises that troops have been killed.

Now, if your allies treat you like the enemy does...what does that mean?

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GHQ would have been a much better target...

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^ and they did twice after that. there was a news on TV that they even attacked a Pakistani checkpost as well, but our loser and shoe liking govt gave no orders to retaliate any such activity in future, just "bumper sticker protests" and thats all

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^^What do you reckon Zardari's little pet Kiani, whom he's just given a 3 year extension of a bone to chew on is doing...when does he step in or is he on the take as well with CIA's under the table payments...

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Pakistan has blocked the NATO supply line in response to todays attack.