Names- Ali vs al-ali a question

The last few years i’ve heard that it is “wrong” to name a child a name that is one of Allah’s names such as rahim or rahman it should be abdul rahman etc.

HOWEVER, i was reading the names of allah yesterday and saw that one of the names is Al-ali and we refer to Ali the khalif and use the name often without a problem…which made me question the movement to use abdul-rehman etc.

I was wondering if anyone knew any stastement on the above? my take is Al-Rehman, etc with Al- means “THE” where without it it is just an adjective.

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there r many names which can be used without AL....
AL-nasir is Allah's name, but we use Nasir comonly....
AL-naafe'a is another of such names of Allah....
as is AL-majid....

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armughal,

i agree it is very COMMON for pakistanis to use names like majid, rehman, aziz and so forth, i'm talking about a movement that encouraged actually mandated that we should not do that and should use abdul-

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its not just pakistanis, nasir, majid, nafe'a etc r commong among arabs as well....
just like abdul-nasir and abdul-nafe'a r used commonly....

but some names like rehman and raheem (for example) r used only with ABDUL.....

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armughal,

I was told that ALL names of allah were not allowable without the abdul, what's the definitive statement on which ones?

Rehman is a common first name without the abdul

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Abdul means *banda. *So when you attribute Abdul before a name of Allah, for example ***Haadi, **Abdul Haadi *would mean *banda rasta dekhane waala (the [human] Guide), *as opposed to just *Haadi, *which means The Guide and refers to Allah & Allah alone. Let me put it this way, Abdul Haadi means A (human) Guide, and Haadi means The Guide (referring to Allah).
Same goes for all other 98 names of Allah.
I hope this helps.

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I understand that…

However Ali is one of Allah’s 99 names…but we use Ali and a Khalif was named ali…so why is it ok there?

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Actually, according to Aalim online (of course I do not have any particular reference, since the maulvis actually could not come up with one...and Aamir Liaqat did have an issue about this...anyway, you'd have to see that episode to understand what I'm talking about):

All names of Allah have Abdul in front of it. Just because you're used to saying "naaser" or "Rehman" , etc, without the Abdul. It doesn't matter. Chances are the legal name has an Abdul in front of it, if the family did the naming right.

The only name that does not legally have to have "Abdul" in front of it, is actually Ali.

Now, having cleared that up, neither of the aalim online scholars could come up with a sufficient argument as to why Ali is excluded from the list. They claimed that Ali and Al-Ali are two different entities. But when Aamir Liaqat argued that by the same logic, Rehman and Al-Rehman are separate identities, so why do we use Abdul Rehman?.... No one had an answer. They just kept insisting that Ali and Al-Ali are different names.

This my friends, is an excellent example of where through history, politics and religion were mixed together to no good end.

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^ nafe'a happens to be the one of the names of Allah and it was a common name even at the time of Prophet (saw) and the sahaba (ra) but no one ever put an abdul before it....

i cud trust akhbar-ej-ahan's islamic Q&A more than aalim online....

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:k: You can name anyone as Majid, but there is only one Al-Majid, you can name anyone as Ali, but there is only one Al-Ali

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Armughal, i'm not familiar with that name.

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Girl you rock. Thanks! I thought that this would be the answer…there no good answer! ha!

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Can’t make assumptions.

Actually YOU should stop taking such alims seriously, seems like you only watch TV for all your knowledge. If what you are telling is true then they were not knowledgeable aalims. Even our school Islamiat teachers knew the difference between Rehman and Al-Rehman, Ali and Al-Ali. Better start reading books than TV atleast for your religious information.

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No no. I never said I agree with the alims on this TV show. I was merely reporting something they said. You're free to disagree with it, if you can come up with quranic or hadith proof.

But like most threads here, we will have a full argument without any scholarly citations.

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Capitan stop trying to take over my thread...

If you can't comment on why the heck we can use the name ALI and not Abdul Ali go take your nagging lectures elsewhere..

Abdul is not "banda" it is slave

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who is trying for that? :hoonh:

Anyway I already commented that there is no problem in naming Abdul Ali, but can’t name “Al-Ali”.

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No, but there is another name.

Just plain old "Ali".

Where does that fall? If its halaal, then why aren't all the other names halaal to use on their own?

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Some names are Jalali and some names are Jamali. So some needs Al or Abdul before them, not all of them. And Ali is not like those names whom need Al or Abdul.