I was part of a discussion a few days back .. discussion was about making changes to the way namaz is performed. For example, sunni’s do it a certain way, shia’s do it a certain way and a few other sects do it a different way .. minor changes , but eventually namaz is not performed in a unified manner. Some even do two namaz’s together for example asar and magribh.
A few people in the discussion said, that there was no particular hadeeth that said namaz was to be done a particular way , even Prophet Muhammad PBUH changed the way he did namaz a few times , which indicates that its not a matter of concern how a person does namaz …
Please can some learned people here let me know how valid this point was in the discussion ?
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madhabs have reccomended a certain way to perform namaz, this does not mean others are wrong. it is just one way of performing namaz. other ways of performing namaz are held as valid
what the madhabs do is save you from trawling thausands of hadiths looking for these answers
hope it helps
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Biryani Saheb … I think you should see the lecture in this video, given by Maulana Ishaq (a Salafi scholar), and you will get answers to all questions you asked (at least the questions that I saw you asking :)), for instance:
1: Regarding people performing Salaat in different ways,
2: Regarding Kalma-e-Tayaba (question you asked in last thread)
3: Regarding joining Salaat (Zuhar with Asar, and Magrib with Isha … thus performing Salaat 3 times a day instead of 5)
I hope this video would give answers to all your questions adequately, amicably, and diligently. If it does not satisfy you than you have that right, as all are responsible of their own beliefs to Allah themselves, not beliefs of others.:). As for Questions and Answers, they only help those who want to learn with open mind and understand with open heart, not the ones who are agents of Shaitan and want fitna.
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if you are looking for areas of unity then you are out of luck, other then what moderates allow you. the real shiaism is as true to their cause as we are to ours. so when issues like 3 namaz sessions against 5 of sunnies come up we are stuck. i'll present a couple of narrations as to why we are stuck
first afaik the prophet SAW did allow specific salahs to be joined sometimes. so there is nothing wrong with doing it that way. but i'd like to highlight the simple fact that namaz is five and nobody has ever had the audacity to deny this.
as to why the shia have chosen to read 3 times a day permenently than i'd like to highlight 2 of many narrations. these narrations are free of moderate influences, as such represent the faith better
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Ja’afar bin Muhammad was asked: May I be sacrifice for you, If two scholars(faqihs) extract a ruling from the Quran and the sunnah and we have two proofs, one proof is in agreement with the mainstream muslims (Ahlul Sunnah) and the other proof contradicts what they believe, which proof do we take?
Imam said: take what contradicts the mainstream muslims because in it you will find guidance.
He said: May I be sacrifice for you, **what if both proofs agree with the beliefs of the mainstream muslims?* Imam replied:** then you need to check which of the two they lean towards the most and leave it and take the other*. (Majlisi in “Mirat” said hadith is muwathaq).
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In his “Risalat al Ta’adul wal Tajreeh” Khomayni quoted one from their masoom saying:
“You (shia) are on nothing of what they (Sunnies) are on nor are they on anything you are on, so do the opposite of what they do…”
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I was part of a discussion a few days back .. discussion was about making changes to the way namaz is performed. For example, sunni’s do it a certain way, shia’s do it a certain way and a few other sects do it a different way .. minor changes , but eventually namaz is not performed in a unified manner. Some even do two namaz’s together for example asar and magribh. A few people in the discussion said, that there was no particular hadeeth that said namaz was to be done a particular way , even Prophet Muhammad PBUH changed the way he did namaz a few times , which indicates that its not a matter of concern how a person does namaz ... Please can some learned people here let me know how valid this point was in the discussion ?
Peace CB!
I would like to know in which method you offer your prayers (namaz)? i.e. alls steps which is necessary to offer prayer (namaz) and if you following a certain way/method tell us about it. Have you ever offered two or more than two prayers (namaz) at once? Lastly, you follow a certain way, right. Tell us the reason why you follow it?
Answering the above questions will will help us to guide you in better way with authentic references and if somewhere in prayers (namaz) you are missing something, then i guess the poster not only gonna guide you but also gonna correct your prayers (namaz).
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I don't think there will ever be any unity in this matter.
Me and my husband pray exactly the same, but he was bought up to believe men and women pray differently, that women should only raise their hands to their shoulders and rest their hands on their chest, while I have always raised my hands to touch my ear lobes and rested my hands just above my stomache. He asked why I did it this way, but my mom and dad always prayed the same so I just copied them. I always say my intention, he says standing on the mat is enough to show your intention, I don't think either of us are wrong.
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"We muslims are busy bickering over whether to fold or unfold our hands during namaz, while the enemy is devising ways of cuting them off." - Khomeini
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^ But we cannot deny the importance of correct posture during namaz. Its the first thing Allah is going to ask about. Rest would be meaningless if namaz was not right.
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madhabs have reccomended a certain way to perform namaz, this does not mean others are wrong. it is just one way of performing namaz. other ways of performing namaz are held as valid
what the madhabs do is save you from trawling thausands of hadiths looking for these answers
hope it helps
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I have converted to Islam. I read a lot, sat with scholars, asked questions, understood, loved and accepted. I dont know much. I have yet to learn a lot. When I come asross such questions, I sometimes get confused. But then Allah is the best guide. What I want to say is that Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the person to reach out the word of Allah to us that is in the form of Quran. Allah knows the best, after that I think Prophet Mohammad PBUH is the best guide who knew and understood Allahs word than any of us. so why not follow what he used to do normally. Why have innovations and conflicts. Is offering Namaaz so difficult that we need to make adjustments? Is it so very difficult to stand on a Musallah for 10 minutes and be with Allah five times in a day? I take every opportunity to be with Allah and I cant understand why people try to cut that short.
Pardon me for any slights. Just sharing it the way I see it. I do not know much. I am out to learn. Always.
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^ But we cannot deny the importance of correct posture during namaz. Its the first thing Allah is going to ask about. Rest would be meaningless if namaz was not right.
I think Allah is going to ask where your heart was during Namaz rather than where your hands were. I think as long as your heart and mind was truly submissive to God during namaz, minor issues with your bodily posture would not matter.
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I think Allah is going to ask where your heart was during Namaz rather than where your hands were. I think as long as your heart and mind was truly submissive to God during namaz, minor issues with your bodily posture would not matter.
I agree.
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I think Allah is going to ask where your heart was during Namaz rather than where your hands were. I think as long as your heart and mind was truly submissive to God during namaz, minor issues with your bodily posture would not matter.
I agree that Allah may not be that specific about the posture. My point is that once we know what is the correct posture, not following it would be a direct disobedience, which would be the indication that your heart was not in submission to begin with. So knowingly violating the posture protocol will be subjected to questioning.
There is a type of namaz that a hadees says 'will be slapped back to you face'. A lot of that has to do with how you perform that namaz and not just with the intention.
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I agree that Allah may not be that specific about the posture. My point is that once we know what is the correct posture, not following it would be a direct disobedience, which would be the indication that your heart was not in submission to begin with. So knowingly violating the posture protocol will be subjected to questioning.
There is a type of namaz that a hadees says 'will be slapped back to you face'. A lot of that has to do with how you perform that namaz and not just with the intention.
Can I ask what you think is the 'correct posture' is there more than 1 version or only 1 specific 'correct posture'. Not been atagonistic, just interested.
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Can I ask what you think is the 'correct posture' is there more than 1 version or only 1 specific 'correct posture'. Not been atagonistic, just interested.
As many mention in this thread, there are many authentic narrations about what the correct posture is. Those narration may result in different posture though and one an argue that only one of them can be right and maybe so, but if the scholars have done their reaearch with right inetntions then it matters less if they reached a different ruling about how to perform a salat. They all are right.
What I am saying that one day you fold your arms at your chest, next day you do it below your belly button, third day you spread your legs and what not ... that is disrespect. Stick to one method and have a pure intentions. Just dont play games with the most important pillar of Islam.
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My point is that once we know what is the correct posture, not following it would be a direct disobedience,
I kind of wanted you to elaborate on that specific point but never mind.
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As many mention in this thread, there are many authentic narrations about what the correct posture is. .....They all are right.
What I am saying that one day you fold your arms at your chest, next day you do it below your belly button, third day you spread your legs and what not ... that is disrespect. Stick to one method and have a pure intentions. Just dont play games with the most important pillar of Islam.
Don't call it correct, for the posture of someone who disagrees with you would become 'incorrect', which is not reasonable.
You can say that one can find an organised, regular way of offering prayers that to his/her knowledge is closest to how prophet and earlier followers practiced and stick to it. Calling it 'correct' might not be a good idea. Postures and physical expression of prayers that are different from yours are not necessarily 'incorrect'.
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Don't call it correct, for the posture of someone who disagrees with you would become 'incorrect', which is not reasonable.
You can say that one can find an organised, regular way of offering prayers that to his/her knowledge is closest to how prophet and earlier followers practiced and stick to it. Calling it 'correct' might not be a good idea. Postures and physical expression of prayers that are different from yours are not necessarily 'incorrect'.
I agree. I could not find the suitable term and kept saying 'correct'.
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Interesting responses. My question persists…
In that particular discussion where this entire point came up .. many of us believed that Prophet SAW did namaz a certain way which is the most common way .. but a few of the people in the discussion said in particular that "prophet SAW , did namaz in many different methods " … and their point was " perhaps prophet did namaz in different methods to ensure that the none of the firkah’s are wrong "
To me , that didnt make any sense and hence I asked this question from you guys wondering if anyone has heard or knows an authentic source that tells us that indeed prophet did namaz using various methods …
Can anyone advise me please?
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These kind of discussions at gatherings usually do not lead to any benefit to anyone.
Just ask someone with knowledge directly and if convinced, stick to it. As long as basics and intentions are right, no one method really supersedes other.
These sites maybe useful, but does not mean one has to agree with these completely. They have some references.