The thing is if you do not state what you are referring to we wont know or take benefit from your statement.
Just for the record It is unclear what bluntness you are talking about. For example ‘‘Fools rush where angels fear to tread’’ could be a reference to the reverence of Nalain Shareef [they went beyond Angels] or it could be about bluntness of person like myself
Also it seems Muzna has seen two faced people [if her comment on her other thread was a reference to here] in this thread but has not stated the reason. @Muzna
My guess is that Mirage is referring to members who have used a tone of mockery for Muslims who believe that Allah has put barkat in the nalain and even zamzam, ruqya, etc.
You are obviously not trying to be an offensive person, But also take care with the fatawa you are putting out. What you have replied here was never questioned of you. I know people, and their views, because I know sectarian positions. So when I say the people you take religion from, it is fairly qualified for a layman. I have even refused to take peoples own word for their sectarian belonging! and been proved right to do so! By The Mercy of Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala. Many other people would also know the path you are on simply by looking at the positions you are taking up even by your first post in this thread! So no ilm ul ghaib at play here, its fairly obvious. Its not even always your words that I am going against. Most of your earlier posts were copy pasted, except for the line or two. So in some ways i am attempting a refutation of islamqa [misguiding site]. Please note how little evidence they used
You did not reply to me directly but replied to things I have asked of other people in the past. It should be known here that i would not accuse you of holding beliefs that you do not hold, or do not promote yourself. So I DO expect from myself that my reply to you is specific when a position is sufficiently camouflaged. In Sha Allah I will be removing the camouflage on a position not contesting the right from the camouflage. I prefer dealing with non camouflaged positions because of their ease… and another reason - to bring back the holder to Islam. At this moment of time i want to share with you some mind expanders because I think you have placed trust in internet sites when all these sites are is invitations to join and grow these peoples sects. Real Ahlus Sunnah sites are harder to find, they do exist however
First up. I take it** you had no right to say what applies to Maqam e Ibraheem does not apply to Nalain Shareef. This you MADE UP**, I cant even blame islamqa for this. Much certainly does apply to Both as mentioned in my earlier post. Allahu Akbar you have a Blessed footprint for a Blessed Sandalprint!
This actually shows you are falling for the impression given by misguiding internet sites. They provide me fodder so i know about their effects. I have mentioned impression because you will need to know about the impression you are getting for understanding my next point
You said you did not call anyone kafir, in that case In Sha Allah this was an oversight, you wrote: “Hanging up such pictures or plaques could lead to shirk, because some people think that these things are amulets that will protect the house and its people from evil and disease. This is shirk and is haraam,..”
Well guess what most of the Ummah hangs plaques or pictures of some kind, some they even expect goodness to come from hanging those plaques or pictures
What you copy pasted is a type of Takfir, not just takfir but takfiri and if i am allowed to say it is a type of blind following because you are forwarding their agenda
You see the details of your statement are applicable to a broad range of situations. Among the practitioners of using these methods are the Sahaba [these people are not upon what the Sahaba were upon, nor the community which followed -Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah]
Plaques and pictures could lead to shirk, that is true, as can many things including taking religious opinion from islamqa, and almost every action we do. They could all lead to shirk, Some pictures and plaques have a higher chance of Shirk, that is also true. This however does not mean pictures and plaques are completely prohibited.
Second link contains many hadiths including this permission for [plaques and] pictures:
Ibn Abbas RadiAllahu Anhu:
**“…If you insist on making pictures, I advise you to make pictures of trees and any other un-animated objects.” **[Bukhari]
another Hadith, again from Sahih Bukhari:
**'Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) said that she hung a curtain decorated with pictures (of animates) on a cupboard. The Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) tore that Curtain and she turned it into two cushions which remained in the house for the Prophet(صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) to sit on. **
another translation of the same Hadith:
2347. It is related that 'A’isha had put a curtain with figures on it on a cupboard of hers. The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, tore it in half and she made it into two cushions which were in the house to sit on.
So these are just two proofs to let you know pictures and plaques can be permissible [as is Maqam e Ibraheem of course]
However these Hadith do not deal with the subject of taking any sort of benefit from plaques and pictures. For this you will have to delve into the Taweez debate. The statement you made regarding plaques and pictures for aid/help being shirk and haram would be applicable to taweez in the same manner because both can use Quran or Dua and are hung and help is expected because of it.
In Sha Allah you are reading this with an intention of coming towards the Truth, i trust you will be able to research Taweez yourself. The site you are using is anti taweez.
^ the tone of mockery is even more painful to point at now, it entering the dangerous realms is what i called where angels fear to tread. we should be very very cautious because we are talking about none.other than MEHBOOB E KHUDA sal Allah o aleh wassalam on whom Allah himself and the angels send blessings. and there I quoted the quran for those who will sit at nothing less than quranic references. too much arrogance. too horrendous for me. I have read of how some people wouldnt even take beloved last prophet Mohammad sal Allah o aleh wassalam’s name with and if.their head un covered (that was their level of respect).
I may not be even near the dirt of such aashiqaan e rusool Sal Allah o.aleh wassalam but for me it is the height of emaan if one can develop ishq e rusool Sal Allah o aleh wassalam. . well that being something i always pray for myself and my children. reaching that level of eeman.
In times like these, when people can so conveniently and casually refer to things belonging to the Beloved Last Prophet, Sal Allah o Aleh Wassalam, and like RV said, so easily dismiss the sayings and doings of those who are much ahead of us all in perfection of eeman wise, what would you really expect? And thats horrendous. Arguing in such matters, for me, is disrespect itself. I might inflict harm to my own eeman while reprimanding others. So I will better stay quiet and away. From his own times till now, people have their own versions of how they think of and feel about the status of the Beloved Last Prophet, Sal Allah o Aleh Wassalam, from calling him Noor to referring to him so casually and rather in a mocking tone as a few posts suggest in this thread. He doesnt need my internet jehadism. Respect comes out of love and it either develops itself or doesnt. One will have to read a lot of ahadith to know how much blissful the holy companions used to consider the beloved prophet’s sweat, hair, teeth, clothes and other belongings. Its all basically the matter of faith. Lakum deenukum wali adeen.
I cannot dare gauging the status of the beloved prophet Sal Allah O Aleh Wassalam, this is why I said where angels fear to tread, but I know that it is him the next half of my eeman depend on (La Ilaala Il Allah, Mohammad Arrasul Allah).