Nalain of Rasool SAWS

[vroom]

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@hareem01

This is Naqshbandi style.

yes, turkish style - i like them all

[KKF]

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@vroom

Well you have ended up promoting the cross instead of the Nalain Shareef

Looking at your avatar, you have ended up with the emblem of Shirk and Kufr, and not an emblem of piety and belief

being personal much? well, that’s one of the traits of people like you who would rather attack a persona than talk sense.

i don’t need your approval. thank you very much.

[vroom]

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4. As a reminder of what went beyond where Gibril Alaihis Salam could not go, and the Sandals Musa Alaihis Salam was Asked to take off, and the Sandals upon whose touch Uhud became alive and was requested to be firm “Oh Uhud, be firm” - hadith]

[KKF]

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@STONECOLD

your entitled to your opinion. Personally, ive never really parted with any money due to these sillinesses.

thank you…yeah man, money kaam aayegii, yeh chhaR kamanDal kisii kaam nahiiN aayegaa.

[vroom]

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@KKF

being personal much? well, that’s one of the traits of people like you who would rather attack a persona than talk sense.

i don’t need your approval. thank you very much.

How about you defend your own actions, with Shariah, or admit your wrong instead of talking about persona and personal

Btw i never attacked you personally for this. I refrained from that. What you saw was showing you a shariah mirror

And of course you dont need my approval cos you wont be getting it. Carrying the cross is impermissible, shirk, kufr and gumrahi

Lol thanks for making my day.

[STONECOLD]

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@KKF

thank you…yeah man, money kaam aayegii, yeh chhaR kamanDal kisii kaam nahiiN aayegaa.

a fool and his money, easily parted right?

[KKF]

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@vroom

How about you defend your own actions, with Shariah, or admit your wrong instead of talking about persona and personal

Btw i never attacked you personally for this. I refrained from that. What you saw was showing you a shariah mirror

And of course you dont need my approval cos you wont be getting it. Carrying the cross is impermissible, shirk, kufr and gumrahi

Lol thanks for making my day.

and, worshipping qaboor and prostrating to humans is NOT shirk? chaliye koii baat nahiiN…aapke kahne se na maiN mushrik yaa kaafir ho jaauuNgaa aur na hii aapkii dalaa’il-e-be_hangaam se shirk Deen banegaa. aapko aapkii deenii samajh mubaarak ho.

[vroom]

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@KKF

and, worshipping qaboor and prostrating to humans is NOT shirk? chaliye koii baat nahiiN…aapke kahne se na maiN mushrik yaa kaafir ho jaauuNgaa aur na hii aapkii dalaa’il-e-be_hangaam se shirk Deen banegaa. aapko aapkii deenii samajh mubaarak ho.

We can talk about Qabars - i like ASWJ am a Qaburi. Whether it is worshipping and thus shirk or not can be discussed in a different thread. I have offered/mentioned these issues many times. All mentions are there for your refutation. I await, Labayk

LoL at changing subject from the cross worshipper. Pitiful, if you can not defend your stance keep quiet. I’ll even make a charitable anouncement for you - if anyone would like to defend kkf and his use of the cross, come forward

[KKF]

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@vroom

We can talk about Qabars - i like ASWJ am a Qaburi. Whether it is worshipping and thus shirk or not can be discussed in a different thread. I have offered/mentioned these issues many times. All mentions are there for your refutation. I await, Labayk

LoL at changing subject from the cross worshipper. Pitiful, if you can not defend your stance keep quiet. I’ll even make a charitable anouncement for you - if anyone would like to defend kkf and his use of the cross, come forward

i’ve better things to do than fall in your trap of endless and meaningless debate coz aap log apne 'amal aur soch meN kaTTar ho chuke haiN…iskaa faisla ab Allah hii karegaa…

…wassalaam.

[vroom]

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@KKF

i’ve better things to do than fall in your trap of endless and meaningless debate coz aap log apne 'amal aur soch meN kaTTar ho chuke haiN…iskaa faisla ab Allah hii karegaa…

…wassalaam.

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[STONECOLD]

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@vroom

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Humble request brother. Lets not resort to name calling and putting down others just because we disagree with each other.

Lets not forget our adaab. Like He SAW said. "I was only sent to perfect good character."

[SID_NY]

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No personal attacks please!

[vroom]

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@STONECOLD

Humble request brother. Lets not resort to name calling and putting down others just because we disagree with each other.

Lets not forget our adaab. Like He SAW said. "I was only sent to perfect good character."

I knew this was coming.

I make a counter request for you to be less humble and more stern. The keeper and promoter of the cross is a bidatti. The treatment of such ahul bidah is stern, never mind the fact that this particular ahul bidah is saying we are upon shirk/kufr and gumrahi

If it is beyond you for whatever reason to stand up, i understand. This i will take as one of your own limitations, and cover for you

The ahlus sunnah are not soft at all times unless one has a disability for which i do make excuses, like i have done for you

There is a few areas that i will oppose you - including if you thought carrying a cross was not bidah.

The balance between being blunt and correct and being soft and being misunderstood has been highligjted earlier by your misunderstanding my post earlier. I need to be blunt enough to be clear

Is that clear? Or was that rude?

[SID_NY]

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@vroom

I knew this was coming.

I make a counter request for you to be less humble and more stern. The keeper and promoter of the cross is a bidatti. The treatment of such ahul bidah is stern, never mind the fact that this particular ahul bidah is saying we are upon shirk/kufr and gumrahi

If it is beyond you for whatever reason to stand up, i understand. This i will take as one of your own limitations, and cover for you

The ahlus sunnah are not soft at all times unless one has a disability for which i do make excuses, like i have done for you

There is a few areas that i will oppose you - including if you thought carrying a cross was not bidah.

The balance between being blunt and correct and being like a woman and being misunderstood has been highligjted earlier by your misunderstanding my post earlier. I need to be blunt enough to be clear

Is that clear? Or was that rude?

If you dont know how to make your point without issuing fatwas or making personal attacks than this may not be the right place for you. Yes you can do wutever you want, like many are doing in the world but in this forum we focus on sustaining harmony and tolerance.
You are very welcome if you can be polite but IF you are unable to apprehend the clear rules, then please take out your frustration and religious extremism somewhere else. Thanks.

[Muzna]

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some excellent posts in this thread…

great discussion that really makes one think about one’s beliefs in this matter.

[vroom]

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@SID_NY

If you dont know how to make your point without issuing fatwas or making personal attacks than this may not be the right place for you. Yes you can do wutever you want, like many are doing in the world but in this forum we focus on sustaining harmony and tolerance.
You are very welcome if you can be polite but IF you are unable to apprehend the clear rules, then please take out your frustration and religious extremism somewhere else. Thanks.

well the only thing we can agree on is that it can be said i am a short stay troll

However i back my positions stated here

Note: my post was not as bad as the hole where it was suggests.
And someone who.posts against the grain or is limited in the subjects they post is a troll. interesting but true

[STONECOLD]

@vroom:10215225

@""STONECOLD""

Humble request brother. Lets not resort to name calling and putting down others just because we disagree with each other.

Lets not forget our adaab. Like He SAW said. "I was only sent to perfect good character."

I knew this was coming.

I make a counter request for you to be less humble and more stern. The keeper and promoter of the cross is a bidatti. The treatment of such ahul bidah is stern, never mind the fact that this particular ahul bidah is saying we are upon shirk/kufr and gumrahi

If it is beyond you for whatever reason to stand up, i understand. This i will take as one of your own limitations, and cover for you

The ahlus sunnah are not soft at all times unless one has a disability for which i do make excuses, like i have done for you

There is a few areas that i will oppose you - including if you thought carrying a cross was not bidah.

The balance between being blunt and correct and being soft and being misunderstood has been highligjted earlier by your misunderstanding my post earlier. I need to be blunt enough to be clear

Is that clear? Or was that rude?

Lol you have your approach and I’ll stick with mine.

[redvelvet]

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@KKF

i’ve better things to do than fall in your trap of endless and meaningless debate coz aap log apne 'amal aur soch meN kaTTar ho chuke haiN…iskaa faisla ab Allah hii karegaa…

…wassalaam.

It was a couple of days ago that I watched yet another Shaykh Yaqoubi video and he said that if you are in the presence of someone who is a Syed or from the Prophet SAWS’s family…even if you do not agree with their actions or beliefs…express your disagreement in a way that is civil and decent for the sake that that he/she is connected to the man (Prophet SAWS) Muslims claim to love. In my original post, I said that the nalain was approved by the Shaykh. He is someone who has studied aqeedah and fiqh and has more knowledge than you and many others on this topic. You often revert to your highly advanced Roman Urdu and speak in a way as though you are the pinnacle of sharaafat, so you should have slowed down before rushing to condescendingly describe Muslims as “jaahil” as you did in your post. Not everybody who visits a grave prostrates to the tomb. it’s not uncommon to see Muslims visit the graves if the awliya to recite Fatiha and other surahs and send them as isaal e sawaab to the deceased wali-Allah …but they still ask Allah and only Allah for the fulfillment of their needs even if a waseela such as their good deeds is used. I wouldn’t equate that with shirk. Look at how something is being used, look at the intentions and the source (whether or not it’s Allah) that is being asked. Maybe I am wrong, but I think there are several factors to be considering before saying that someone is committing shirk or is a jaahil.

[Thornewood9]

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@vroom

Now my earlier refusal to argue is no longer applicable, due to nothing but debate taking place on this thread

You copy pasted your reply except the penultimate line [second last]. Can you tell me why what applies to Maqam e Ibraheem does not apply to Nalain Shareef? I say much applies to both including reverence, issues to do with Shirk, and their memory being kept alive etc etc
You said pictures of Nalain Shareef are not going to help anyone, I say this contention from your view also applies to Maqam e Ibraheem. Its true as well, they alone are not going to help anyone. Yet Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala has kept Maqam e Ibraheem for us, and I say if we are able to show reverence to the feet of Ibraheem Alaihis Salam then that would help us, the same applies to Nalain Shareef. A picture is not actually essential but it helps, so in the end it can help someone.

Although there is many things which are half baked in your earlier posts such as Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala protecting the black stone and Maqam e Ibraheem from Shirk, yet you are saying Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala will not do the same for Nalain Shareef. Look it is clear Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala will decide of who falls into shirk, He Allah Ta’ala Guides Whom He Wills. Nalain Shareef can not be included into the equation of potentially being a cause of shirk for the same reason

You can make a ‘case’ for a fiqhi ruling that paper representations of Nalain shareef are impermissible, if that is your ruling. I do not know if Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah [traditional Islam, not wahabis] have ijma on its permissibility or not. What is in favor of it is that it is not a part of RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam which would be impermissible to draw [one of the opinions for its impermissibility is that we can not capture the Noor]

One of the possible reasons the people you take religion from may not allow it or it is a part of the reason they do not allow it is that they think RasoolAllah SallAllahu Alaihi wa Ahlihi wa Sallam is just like them. This would be a kufri reason for denying its permissibility

BTW what we have heard from people so far would indicate its permissibility in the eyes of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah

Like I have said I have kissed an image of Nalain Shareef which indicates my stance. Else where I have said the Awliya [not Prophets] have their foot upon my neck and that i have wanted a topi with nalain shareef on my head, which when combined indicates how I would like to benefit from the Nalain Shareef

I am not a scholar. I have not studied any Islamic science or fiqh for years and in an academic situation. Neither do I claim to be a scholar nor do I claim to know everything. I have not called anyone a kafir just because I disagree with their views. I only stated that certain things can lead to shirk and whether you agree or not that fact is true. That is why I gave the example of Prophet Ilyas AS and yes it may be an extreme example but we are given extreme examples so that we can apply the lesson to simpler situations. Its also interesting that you claim to know what “people” I take my religion from. I can only say that your assumptions are wrong. If you wish to follow the stance you have given that is up to you. I am not condemning you for it, I’m just a person not God. We’re all just trying to reach jannah after all. Inshallah may Allah give us hidayah and show us the straight path and help us to follow it. Ameen. If I offended you I apologise it was not my intention. And truly it is Allah most Glorified is He who indeed knows best. Wasalaam’ualaikum wa rahmatullahi was barakatohu.

[mirage]

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whoa. ***Fools rush where angels fear to tread.

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some posts out there scared the guts out of me. How can some people be just so cruelly blunt. I dont know how else to term. Very sad and hopeless state of affairs honestly. May Allah keep us all on the right path.