Nalain of Rasool SAWS

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Re: Nalain of Rasool SAWS

@Thornewood9

The black stone.Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia:

'Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said “No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.”

There is no benefit in kissing the black stone, so it does not remove sins either. Hazrat Umar RA himself did not know why the prophet kissed the stone but he did it because it was something the prophet did and he wanted to emulate the prophet. Also it is not obligatory to kiss the stone or touch it during Hajj or Umrah.
You explained the cross well and that makes sense but again there is a difference between the actual item and a picture of that item.

Peace brother Thornewood9

Yes we do have this hadith, but when looking at a subject we should see all the related hadith together to get an understanding or else we could end up choosing a skewed understanding of the subject matter.

Here:

** (8) Touching the Stone is one of the things by means of which Allaah expiates for sins**** It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Touching them both [the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-Yamani] is an expiation for sins.”**** (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959. This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi and as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/664). Al-Dhahabi agreed with him).

Virtues of the Black Stone - Islam Question & Answer

**So if on one hand the stone can neither benefit nor harm anyone - yet on the other hand it can expiate sins … what is the correct understanding?

The correct understanding that it in itself has no power but when certain rights are performed it becomes a “means” for expiating sins … Other ahadith state it was first whiter than milk and the sins of men have made it black.

You say there is a difference between the actual item and a copy or image of it … May be so long as the item itself has inherent value - such as any part of the jism-e-mubarak of RasoolAllah (SAW). However, anything that “reminds” us of him (SAW) also counts … Counts for what? Bringing on the love - not worship - but love … this state of love is a catalyst for our du’as. Reciting durood before and after our du’a is a way to have our du’a accepted - it is because the durood helps us think about RasoolAllah (SAW) in love.

So certain things you will see have been copied for effect … and other things are actual and are never copied, like hair strands, etc

and when I say actual value … I mean it in the sense of medicinal value … Just like we say … Allah (SWT) puts cure in certain things, likewise we believe this about all of RasoolAllah (SAW) …

So there are those things that remind us of Our love … those things that harbour some inherent value like medicines, and there is Allah (SWT) Himself - The Source of All Power. For shirk to qualify as shirk we would have to connect the source of power with any of the creation … In order to be consistent.

People of modern times like to place a lot of focus on medicine … because it shows scientific pathways for how it cures … However, one area within medicine is called the placebo effect … A placebo is when the pathway for the cure is not scientifically observable, but the psyche of people is credited to be the curing element, because of the power of faith. Placebos are prescribed in modern medicine. Yet, the same people are reluctant to accept tabarruk, which in my opinion is like a placebo, except that it includes more than just physical cures, but also spiritual ones.