Naked Zionist Racism

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**“We must expel Arabs and take their places.” ** – David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
– David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
– Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”– David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”– David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”
– David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”– Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

“How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.”– Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

**“Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen.” ** – Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

“This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.”
– Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

“We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!”
– Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

“[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat.”– Yitzhak Rabin (a “Prince of Peace” by Clinton’s standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen’s remarks to the Knesset’s foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

“[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.”

– Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the 'Beasts,”’ New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

“The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized … Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever.”– Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

“The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country.”
– Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

“The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It’s that simple.”
– Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

“(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.”– Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

“Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.”
– Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

**“The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”… **
– Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

“If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force…”– Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

“I would have joined a terrorist organization.”– Ehud Barak’s response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha’aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

“It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.”– Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

“Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours…Everything we don’t grab will go to them.”
– Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

“Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.”
– Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
I advise you to know what your talking about before you open your mouth again.

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what do you have to say about this mercenary?

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Probably he will remind us the holocaust of "6 million" Jews, and he may also tell us how much anti-semitic we are for these "innocent" comments by Zionists.

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where did you find all these gems?

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The Treatment of Jews
in Arab/Islamic Countries

   **By Mitchell Bard**

          Arabs sometimes claim that, as "Semites," they cannot       possibly be anti-Semitic. This, however, is a semantic distortion       that ignores the reality of Arab discrimination and hostility toward       Jews. Arabs, like any other people, can indeed be [anti-Semitic](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/antisem.html).       The term "anti-Semite" was coined in       Germany in 1879 by Wilhelm Marrih to refer to the anti-Jewish       manifestations of the period and to give Jew-hatred a more scientific       sounding name.(1)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_1_)       "Anti-Semitism" has been accepted and understood to mean       hatred of the Jewish people.
   While Jewish communities in Arab and Islamic       countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in       Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among       the Arabs and Muslim. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis       has written: "The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and       belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for       Islam."(2)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_2_)
   ****The Dhimmi****

   Still, as "People of the Book," Jews       (and Christians) are protected under Islamic law. The traditional       concept of the "dhimma" ("writ of protection")       was extended by Muslim conquerors to Christians and Jews in exchange       for their subordination to the Muslims. Peoples subjected to Muslim       rule usually had a choice between death and conversion, but Jews and       Christians, who adhered to the Scriptures, were allowed as dhimmis       (protected persons) to practice their faith. This       "protection" did little, however, to insure that Jews and       Christians were treated well by the Muslims. On the contrary, an       integral aspect of the dhimma was that, being an infidel, he had to       openly acknowledge the superiority of the true believer--the Muslim.
   In the early years of the Islamic conquest, the       "tribute" (or *jizya*), paid as a yearly poll tax,       symbolized the subordination of the dhimmi. Later, the inferior       status of Jews and Christians was reinforced through a series of       regulations that governed the behavior of the dhimmi. Dhimmis, on       pain of death, were forbidden to mock or criticize the Koran, Islam       or Muhammad, to proselytize among Muslims or to touch a Muslim woman       (though a Muslim man could take a non*Muslim as a wife).
   Dhimmis were excluded from public office and armed       service, and were forbidden to bear arms. They were not allowed to       ride horses or camels, to build synagogues or churches taller than       mosques, to construct houses higher than those of Muslims or to drink       wine in public. They were not allowed to pray or mourn in loud       voices-as that might offend the Muslims. The dhimmi had to show       public deference toward Muslims-always yielding them the center of       the road. The dhimmi was not allowed to give evidence in court       against a Muslim, and his oath was unacceptable in an Islamic court.       To defend himself, the dhimmi would have to purchase Muslim witnesses       at great expense. This left the dhimmi with little legal recourse       when harmed by a Muslim.(4)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_4_)
   Dhimmis were also forced to wear distinctive       clothing. In the ninth century, for example, Baghdad's Caliph al-Mutawakkil designated a yellow badge for Jews, setting a       precedent that would be followed centuries later in Nazi Germany.(5)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_5_)
   ****Violence Against Jews****

   At various times, Jews in Muslim lands were able       to live in relative peace and thrive culturally and economically. The       position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the       political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence       and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim       neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the       subordination and degradation of the Jews.
   When Jews were perceived as having achieved too       comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would       surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph       HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of [Granada](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Granada.html),       Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish       quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was       incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw       as inordinate Jewish political power.
   Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in [Fez](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Fez.html)       slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish       deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive       manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres       throughout [Morocco](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html).(6)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_6_)
   Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred       in [Morocco](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html) in the       8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler       Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either       forcibly converted or decimated several communities; [Libya](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/libyajews.html)       in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; [Algiers](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/algjews.html),       where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, [Morocco](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html),       where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.(7)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_7_)
     Decrees ordering the destruction of [synagogues](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/shul.html)            were enacted in [Egypt](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/egjews.html)            and [Syria](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/syrianjews.html) (1014,            1293-4, 1301-2), [Iraq](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iraqijews.html)            (854-859, 1344) and [Yemen](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/yemenjews.html)            (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert            to Islam or face death in [Yemen](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/yemenjews.html)            (1165 and 1678), [Morocco](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html)            (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and [Baghdad](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iraqijews.html)            (1333 and 1344).(8)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_8_)
   As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum       has written:
           It would not be difficult to put together the         names of a very sizeable number of Jewish subjects or citizens of         the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great         financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual         attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would         again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions,         arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.(9)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_9_)
   The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low       point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including [Algeria](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/algjews.html),       [Tunisia](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/tunisjews.html), [Egypt](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/egjews.html),       [Libya](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/libyajews.html) and [Morocco](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html))       were forced to live in ghettos. In [Morocco](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html),       which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora,       Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside       the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of       Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The       frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were       executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against       the Jews became commonplace in the [Ottoman       Empire](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Ottoman.html).(10)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_10_)
   By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmi       in Muslim lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British       Vice Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:
           The attitude of the Muslims toward the         Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he         treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their         place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed.(11)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_11_)
   The danger for Jews became even greater as a       showdown approached in the [UN](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/untoc.html) over [partition](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/parttoc.html)       in 1947. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: "Unless       the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in       protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world."(12)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_12_)
   More than a thousand Jews were killed in       anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940's in [Iraq](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iraqijews.html),       [Libya](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/libyajews.html), [Egypt](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/egjews.html),       [Syria](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/syrianjews.html) and [Yemen](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/yemenjews.html).(13)](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.html#N_13_)       This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.
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^ so the article above proves that Zionists are not racists? :konfused:

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No, just as quotes taken out of context from the Quran can be used by Terrorists to killing Jews and Christians like Osama, Zarqawi, etc...

Same goes for Muslims, who use quotes taken out of context to protray Jews as bloodthirsty beasts

Same goes for Jews who use quotes taken out of context to protray Muslims as evil.

So overall, what I am saying cutting and pasting quotes like Prince Abbas make get him applause from the peanut gallery but that doesn't mean what he is posting here is a correct asertion or the whole image.

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mercenary, these quotes were taken from the "founding fathers" of Israel. these men are considered heroes in Israel. these aren't osama bin laden or zarqawi types, who are outcasts in the muslim world.

the simple fact of the matter is you can't deny that colonial europe and the zionist agenda screwed the palestinians over in 1948.

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It wasn;t the colonial europe nor the zionists that screwed the palestinians over, it was the Arabs.

They invaded Israel, Israel fought back.

Arabs tried to instill fear among Palestinians by protraying Jews as animals so that the Arabs would fight harder but the opposite happened and many Palestinians fled hoping to return when the Arab army regroups and conquers Israel.

Thats why they got screwed.

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no, first israel had to exist before it could be attacked and fight back. how did israel come into existence mercenary? don't dodge the FACTS.

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and the circus continues.

Lets See Who Wins....
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Buddy I have already debated this issue to death

Read some other posts on Israel and Palestine

all the arguments have been listed there

:)

Things you did/do to avoid going to school.
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stop acting like this whole thing is about muslims hating jews or christians. nobody gave a crap about jews or christians before 1948. the issue that upsets the muslim world is that a HISTORICAL WRONG has been committed and, rather than do everything possible to correct this wrong, colonial europe, the zionist agenda, and the modern version of colonial europe (america) has fully supported, financially, militarily, and in every conceivable way possible, the building of modern Israel. rather than correct the mistake, america built an entire nation based on that mistake. THAT is the issue at hand, not this idiotic hatred of jews and christians.

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again all of this has been debated to death

i am getting tired of answering the same questions over and over again

read some of my old posts

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This has nothing to do with Zionism being racism or any historic wrong. This is simply a religious issue. Muslims hate Jews, and that is it. One wonders why the Syrians or the Jordanians, prior to 1967, did not have Palestinians asking for a homeland? What Palestinians claim, now, belonged to theire brethren, why were they not asking then.
One reason the world does not see the Muslim point on this is simply because of the Islamic inability to deal with much worse situations being comitted by Muslims. The Islamic world turned a blind eye to East Timor, and now Nigeria and Sudan. More people are beling killed there in a month than died in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Assad of Syria killed more Muslims than the Jews ever did, and Muslims do not consider that a historic wrong.
This is a religious matter.

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First of all, some Muslims hate Jews not all. Second, Islam is a religion of peace, but it has been misused by Arabs to further their poltical agenda. They have also brainwashed many other muslims into beleiveing that their cause is righteous. The simple calculus goes that since Islam originated from Arab lands, Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was Arab that automatically means that Arabs are the foremost authority on Islam. And any enemy that is fought by arabs must be fought by all muslims, namely Israel.

You make good points on Muslim hypocracy on other issues.

Their obesession with Israel can be explained this way.

The Islamic world is very poor. With the discovery of oil, the Arabs governments became the richest muslim nations. To gain support, finance their wars with Israel, they gave money and opened schools and mosques in other countries. They preached the Wahabbi form of Islam in those countries such as Pakistan. Since many Pakistanis worked in those countries, since the holy sites of Islam are located in Saudi Arabia, many Pakistanis failed to question the strictness of the interpretation of Islam being taught in many religious schools.

This obsession with Israel began when Saudi Arabia opened mosques and funded charity Islamic schools in Pakistan which brainwashed a large part of the Pakistani populace who failed to think logically and from different point of views but thought only from an arab point of view.

Many other muslim nations have committed henious crimes against other people such as the examples you cite.

But the ultimate insult to an Arab is to see a Jew trample over an Arab.

Israel-Palestine is not the world's most important issue, nor its an issue in which Palestinians are being massacared. It is an issue in which an arabs are being trampled over by Jews. And that makes it the most important issue to most Arabs.

Look at the press coverage given to Iraq and Palestine today. When 100 Iraqis are blown apart by Insurgents it gets the less coverage on Al Jazeera than 5 Palestinian Terrorists being killed by an Israeli Hellfire Missile.

To Arabs, 1 Arab killing 100 Arabs is not as worse as 1 Jew killing 1 Arab.

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I have been hearing this again and again.. "Islam is religion of Peace".. and I have no reason to deny that or agree to that.. My take is simple if its about peace than its peace and violence doesn't have a role to play in it. Otherwise even Bush is supporting War in Middle East in the name of peace to the world from terrorists.
Though I have continuously seen posts on this forum, which clearly don't subscribe to this view.
1. Support to Hamas and Palestine violent groups.
2. Clear posts supporting and advocating violence againts Jews.
3. Justifications of 9.11 in US
4. Strong support to violence after cartoons
I can keep going, through.......
My understanding is when you say "Peace"... its like saying "Ahimsa" by Gandhi ji... It doesn't come with riders... its for peace only...

Would like to understand? When learned say, Islam is religion of PEACE... what's the definition of peace here...
or is it like Afghan judge saying for convert "We are a religion of peace and we will not kill him if he converts back to Islam"

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  • Beta, if it is the context which you think is wrong then why don’t you give the proper context of those quotes from Zionist leaders? Simple.
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Bache-tu que bary kai beech mai ata hai?

Venting Session (merged)
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Is this the dumb "context" you were talking about?

Let's see if you disagree from your Zionist masters:

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

Shame on Zionists and shame on Zionist supporters. God's curse is on oppressors, and this is the fate of Zionists as well.