Najayez Tajavazat (illegal construction)

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ok. In Model Town, Lahore, there was a small Christian kachi abaadi in one corner about 20 years ago. Model Town is a very neat & clean city so they wanted to demolish that.
Govt. paid them a good amount of money and recommened them another area. They took the money but never left. Finally, they got the deadlines, bulldozers came but people asked for just one more day.
Now during that one night, they built a church there so govt. couldn't do anything.

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there's much more to the siuation of masjid demolitions in Islamabad than just illegal mosques or mosques built on enchroached land..there's a bigger number of mosques in the capital that have been served such notices than just 1 or 2..

I am surprised how no one in here has been affected or shown concern for the demoliton of masjids in Islamabad in any way or sense!?!

Yes using illegal land is wrong!

how comes so many masjids have suddenly been construed to be illegal!?
masjids are not built over night, they take a lot of time to be built with the ongoing donations etc. i have seen masjids being built in my area
at the time, no one realised illegal masjids were being built?

and now all these masjids are wrong, hinder administartion, pose security risks, give a fundamentalist view to the west, groom bombers, or by ur thinking, are works of mulla jees business orientated minds...

not allowing Azaan and congregation prayers during Blair's visit to Faisal Masjid is also appalling..

these things are just taking it a bit too far..its just wrong

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^^

So if someone stole land to build a masjid, should they be allowed to keep it?

As the article makes clear, land was stolen and used to build residences, businesses and masjids/madrassas. Your protest that the government is picking on masjids hold no weight since the article makes it clear that the government is also tearing down illegally built residences and businesses.

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Thats because if someone goes to stop them, they have women in full clad burqa with 'dandaz' and now 'ak47s' waiting for ther isteqbaal. These Imam sahibs who consider these illegally built mosques their new residence hide behind women when they have to face the music.

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i already said using illegal/stolen land is wrong!

which article?

there are always two sides to the story but here it seems just one is being propogated

there should be accountability..both on the governnment's side as well as the public's

yes the govt is picking on masjids..these masjids and madrassas werent built over night..they werent built by force either..the owner of the land, govt or people, could have stopped them than if they so wished

just because the policy also includes residential/commercial buildings etc. does not mean that this is the major reason behind the govt's decision.. it is rather an excuse to execute its strategy, apparently legal and all

i agree with some of the points guys have made above e.g masjids too close to each other with hardly any namazies in each etc.

however, efforts should be made to the best of one's ability to maintain masjids that are present rather than their demolition..Yes 'masjid is a house of Allah'

spock jigar burqa clad women werent there with dandas and rifles when the masjids or madrassas were being built..
now they are there for a reason..

whether i support them carrying rifles is a different story..I definitely support them in their principle

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Hum Hain, what is illegal is illegal, and they should be constructed legally or with the local Government/CDA's permission. Well, now they have burqa clad women with dandaz as previously they were able to hold off the demolishers etc themselves, but now they come with the police etc, so the maulana jeez have no choice to but to use women, or otherwise they'd have to stand up themselves. Its a shameful sight seriously, these guys using women for crying out loud, buzdil log yar.

And what principle do you support? Its just supporting the notorious Qabza Groups of Pakistan as thats what these maulana jeez are doing right now. This is just utter badmaashi on the part of these people.

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Hum Hain:

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spock jigar burqa clad women werent there with dandas and rifles when the masjids or madrassas were being built..
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If some government agencies were lazy enough not to stop the illegal construction at that time, still how can anyone calling a place "mosque" when it was built on usurped land?

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now they are there for a reason..
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What reason?

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spock i agree illegel is illegal

principle as in what i talked about earlier..

but u guys fail to see the point..

i guess every guy u see in the protest with a beard, u see them as laalchi maulaana jees..but it isnt that way..really
many people who oppose the demolition of mosques, like myself, are common people who have nothing to do with politics/mulla organisations/maulana jees etc.

"yes building masjid on illegal land is wrong/unlawful"..but this is "not the way"..

fine some mullah built the masjid for watever reason on illegal land..but years later..ordinary citizens are involved in the masjid..its not tht maulana's masjid anymore..its people's masjid..shouldnt be this easy to bring down masjids for some mullahs fault or deed..

however govt should definitely take strong stance in making sure such thing doesnt happen in the future..

i dont think those women are opposing cuz the malanaas are using them..rather they're there for their own girls madrassah

if i travel through chakwal road regularly..i stop and pray in a particular masjid by the road everytime i travel..I call it a masjid..years later if i come to know it was on illegal land and govt is set to bring it down..I'll oppose the decision..other namazies of the masjid would oppose the decision..students of the masjid would oppose.. all of us wont be laalchi mualaana jees.. we're ordinary people

give the long lost owner of the land money,compensation etc. keep the masjid..if the land is the govt's..the govt should not even think about such a step..and if it still seeks money, compensation, there would be hundreds out there who'll be willing to give out..

Pakistan Payendabad!

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what do u think?

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The Government has always agreed to allot them space to build mosques, but these maulanas arent too happy with that, as they are in the habit of contructing the mosque where they feel it will personally benefit them the most. I can certainly provide you with alot of facts in my home city where 95% of the illegal mosques were constructed with a 'side' business where the maulana has either setup his residence in an expensive area or opened up a restaurant. However, you guys dont realize you are supporting this 'badmaashi', and basically what this country needs is law enforcement, and when you have civilians (and now zinaaniz) blackmailing the Government by this, this country will never progress. I think the best answer is to get a bunch of moti lady police aunty jees, and take care of these burqa walliz who are preventing all this, just to prove a point that no one is above the law. I do have a feeling that there might be men beneath those burqas too.

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Mosque is not just a place for worship but it is house of Allah that should have no owner (other than Allah). Actually, the land a mosque is built is very important, as that land should be bought (owned) and then it should be made waqf having no ownership, though authority of that place goes to state and it is duty of state to make a body, normally from people that constructed and worked for that mosque or from state own representation, that runs the mosque for the benefit of the community. Those running the mosque are thus normally representative of state.

[Note: Mosque should have no owner nor any claim (or dispute) over its ownership. Mosque can only have caretakers with consent of state, and state normally should appoint caretakers from people that donated the land and built the mosque, and from the community that mosque serves. The owner of the mosque is only Allah and state is caretaker as representative of Allah].

Further, if a mosque is to be constructed on a land belonging to someone (individual or state); it is important that the owner of that land willingly donates (give in charity) the land for the construction of the mosque as house of Allah (thus, the owner is actually donating that land to Allah). After that donation, the land and all that got constructed on that land belongs to Allah. If that does not happen, one cannot call such place a Mosque.

Allah is Adil and NOT Zalim, hence if a place of worship is constructed on a land that has no consent of the owner of that land, be that owner is individual or state, then that place of worship is not a mosque (house of Allah) whoever people worship there and whatever people call such place, mosque or mandir, it can never be a mosque.

Constructing a building on illegally occupied land, without ownership of that land is zulum on the owner of that land, be that land belongs to individual or state. Thus, those (all the people involved) who use name of Allah to illegally occupy a land and construct place of worship on that land, calling that place mosque (house of Allah), all these people would surely going to burn in fire after death, as whatever their intention, they have done zulum in the name of Allah, and Allah could never forgive those that do zulum in his name.

[We should remember that Allah is not Zalim but Adil, and it would be adal of Allah and pure justice, that Allah burns these people in hell forever who do or did zulum on others in the name of Allah. Illegally occupying a land belonging to someone is big zulum and such occupation in the name of Allah is worse zulum, as by doing that, people portray Allah as Zalim].

This type of zulum, that illegally occupying and using that land to construct worship places, is only associated with people who are pagans and such worship places on illegal lands can only be made for worshiping Shaitan and pagan gods, not Allah (and thus if it is used for worshiping Allah, obviously, Allah would never accept that).

Even those that would worship in that so-called-mosque KNOWING that the particular worshiping place is constructed on illegally occupied land, and thus existance of such so-called mosque is based on zulum, then their worship would be worthless, as they also becomes partner in that zulum (of illegal occupation) and thus would be answerable of their deed, after death and would suffer punishment.

Hence, it is duty of state to arrest all those who constructed places of worship (so-called-mosque) on illegally occupied land and throw them into prison for 10 to 15 years. Plus, government should do Jihad to demolish such places of worship (so-called-mosques) found anywhere in Pakistan, as such places are tarnishing the name of Allah as Zalim (like pagan gods).

These places of worship are also making many people sinner, as they are going to these places to pray, when they should not pray in such buildings that is constructed on illegally occupied land and whose base of existence is zulum on those that were the owner of that land, be that owner was individuals or state.

Thus, it is jihad to demolish such places of worship (so-called mosque on illegally occupied lands) and I think that if Musharraf does this deed, he would be earning a great reward from Allah, and would be doing a great favour to Islam and Jihad that would clear the name of Allah and would correct all the zulum that is done by misguided in the name of Allah.

We should pray that Allah gives strength to Pakistan government and President Musharraf in doing this jihad and succeeding, so that no one can ever say that house of Allah is constructed on illegally occupied land.


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^ Very insightful post saleem, its long but I read it all and well said.

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Thank you sa1em bhai. a dose of sanity is always better than the joshila pana our people show otherwise.