Nailpolish and salat

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Listen to the man please. Dont make life confusing.

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Brother sa1eem,

First of all, these "guardians of Islam" are the people we learn our deen from. Scholars are the heirs of the Prophet SAW. So, it'd be nice if you show more respect to the scholars of this Ummah. Without them, we'd be misled, just like you have regarding this issue. Sorry to say.

It seems you have made up your own interpretation of the verse that said "Allah doesn't wish any difficulty for you."

You said, "From my understanding of Islam, if due to any reason one cannot reach a part of body during wadu one is excused." Aren't you acting as a "self appointed" scholar now? I mean, what knowledge do you have of the Quran to derive your own understanding? You're going against scholars who say it's wrong to do that, and here you are saying, that from YOUR understanding, it's OK?

Nailpolish is not like paint. If paint falls on your, then it was an accident. No one actually sits and paints their hands. Nailpolish, on the other hand, is put on intentionally.

As for the war issue, again, you're assuming things there, too. "Must have this" and "I'm sure that..." Learn the deen from the scholars InshaAllah.

Bro, khair, don't take this as an insult. InshaAllah. Take it as an advice. Sorry if it was harsh.

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Brother, I only called guardians of Islam ‘so called scholars’ who are creating fitna in religion and are always trying to make religion of Allah as difficult for Muslims as possible. They are plenty and it is due to them, every evil is entering Islam.

Anyhow, why you think I have not read or do not respect scholars? I do, and I consider them teachers who can guide according to their knowledge and understanding (that could be right or wrong). I do not consider them prophets or divine guides (who cannot be wrong). I personally follow Hanafi fiqah, but not blindly.

I feel sorry for those who consider scholars as Prophets or divine guides, and follow them blindly. Do they really think that Quran, Sunnah of Prophet (SAW) that is coming to us in ‘form of religious practices’ from one generation to next since time of Prophet (SAW), and authentic non-controversial hadith in various books as well as what is coming to us through words of mouth from one generation to next, are deficient in making itself understood?

I could not understand why these people feel suspicious of Allah’s words when in Quran Allah clearly says that he sent Quran as guide for Muslims and made it easy to understand (Yassarna al-quran). Don’t they believe 'words of Allah' or is it that they do not consider themselves Muslim?

54:17 And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

Anyhow, can you please tell me which scholar would stand in front of Allah for my faults (in beliefs and actions), even if the fault in me would be due to that scholar’s misinterpretations of Islam? Or is there anywhere in Quran Allah told Muslims that they would be forgiven if they would follow scholars?

[Note: Allah did say that if you do not understand something in Quran you go to people who could understand ... but that is not about having blind faith on them, but for learning. On the other hand there are ayahs with messages that only people who are near to Allah (not scholarly but spiritually near) can understand, but those ayahs have messages that are nothing to do with Muslims’ day to day religious practices and thus are irrelevant as far as Muslims in general are concerned. I am not talking about these ayahs in Quran or their understanding, but ayahs that are meant for Muslims in general].

Every message of Allah in Quran is for humans directly, not through scholars. Prophet (SAW) was there to guide us, but after that, all humans are themselves going through their own test and could end up in Jannah or Jahannum, just like those who are considered ‘Scholars’. Actually, no so-called scholar can say that he would surely going to go to Jannah, and that means following them blindly is to follow someone who himself is unsure about destination. [Actually, no true scholars ever said that people should follow them blindly]

That does not mean scholars have no place. Actually, they can guide us in things we may not understand but their guidance should not be blind belief for us, but guidance that we could verify and understand, just like teachers guides their students and after that student should understands and could verify what they learned too. If student do not understand then either teacher is incompetent or student is incapable. If student is incapable then he is unfit for such learning and that means he is unfit to take test on that learning. [That is why humans who are unfit, that is they are mentally deficient (majnoon), Allah excused them from worldly test].

Though I am not asking anyone to accept what I wrote as all would be responsible of their own deeds and no one could take responsibility of others in front of Allah, still, I do not think I am misled regarding the issue. Anyhow, I would admit that I am misled if you can prove me wrong from Quran. Let see, you try to be that scholar who can tell me from Quran that what I believe regarding wadu is wrong.

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It seems you have made up your own interpretation of the verse that said "Allah doesn't wish any difficulty for you."
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Do you agree or not that in (ayah 5:6) Allah says ‘when telling us about wadu’ that ‘Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty’?

Now you tell me what interpretation you would like to give to the words of Allah in Quran ... without putting own words along with words of Allah.

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You said, "From my understanding of Islam, if due to any reason one cannot reach a part of body during wadu one is excused." Aren't you acting as a "self appointed" scholar now? I mean, what knowledge do you have of the Quran to derive your own understanding? You're going against scholars who say it's wrong to do that, and here you are saying, that from YOUR understanding, it's OK?
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Obviously, when I would die Allah would ask me my beliefs and it would be me who would be answerable about it. No one would come to answer what I would be asked. There would be no helper or scholars there to stand by my side.

So, when Allah would ask me regarding my belief on wadu (or any aspect of Islam) and why I believe such, then what you suggest my answer should be?

Should I say that: ‘I read your message (Quran) and this is what I understood from ayah 5:6 ......... and believed what was clear to me according to intelligence you gave me for worldly test. Anyhow, if I am wrong in my understanding you can forgive, or punish if you like’.

Or should I say that: ‘I don’t know, I believed what people use to tell me, what some scholars told me, and so on. I was blind followers of whatever they use to say as I trusted them and not myself or Quran or intelligence you gave me for worldly test. Thus, whatever I believed and followed, nothing was due to my effort but it was someone else guidance, so if I am right give me reward and if wrong then punish those who guided me wrong’.

Please let us know what would be your answer to Allah’s question on judgement day?

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Nailpolish is not like paint. If paint falls on your, then it was an accident. No one actually sits and paints their hands. Nailpolish, on the other hand, is put on intentionally.
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That could be your understanding that nail polish is not like paint. Regardless, that is not the issue. Issue is that if a part of hand is covered with something one cannot remove during wadu due to whatever reason, then wadu is valid or not. My understanding is that wadu is valid and I gave reasons (that is my understanding from words of Allah ... Ayah 5:6).

You may have different understanding to the issue and that is your right, but I did not see you mention with any backing from Quran that why your understanding is right. Please back your understanding, preferably from words of Allah (Quran).

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As for the war issue, again, you're assuming things there, too. "Must have this" and "I'm sure that..." Learn the deen from the scholars InshaAllah.

Bro, khair, don't take this as an insult. InshaAllah. Take it as an advice. Sorry if it was harsh.
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Brother, I do not see what I assumed is wrong. What you think, did Muslims use to pray during war or not? If they use to pray, did they use to do wadu or not (especially when water was available, however scarce)? In war, is it possible or not that they would have clotted blood on their hands and face? If they had clotted bloods and still use to do wadu with scarce available water, is it possible or not that clotted blood stays while they do wadu? Please answer.

And yea, brother there is and should be no insult when discussing religion (rather any topic), so do not worry. :) We are all learning and those who feel insulted could never learn.

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Bro, I didn't mention anything about blindly following. We're going way, way off-topic here.

As for that verse from Surah al-Qamar, here's a tafseer:

Qur'an is Made Simple to Memorize and to Take Heed; Not for Ijtihad or Istinbat
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In this verse the verb yassarna [We have made easy] is qualified by the prepositional phrase lidh-dhikri [for seeking advice]. This implies that the Qur'an has been made easy to the extent of memorizing it and paying heed to its advice and warnings, from which all can benefit - whether a learned scholar or an unlearned person, whether young or old. This does not necessarily imply that derivation or deduction of laws and injunctions from the Qur'an is easy for everybody. Ijtihad or Istinbat (deduction) of injunctions from the Qur'an is a science, having its own complex rules. Scholars well-grounded in knowledge have spent years of their life to attain to the position where they could exercise Ijtihad and Istinbat. It is not a field where every ordinary person or layman can play his role.

This indicates the error of some of the deviant people who, on the strength of this statement, wish to pose as mujtahid and derive laws and injunctions with their own reasoning, without acquiring complete and profound knowledge of the Qur'an, and without fully grasping its methodological principles and rules. This is clear deviation!**

As for the verse from Surah Maida, I have never read any scholar use that verse to justify praying salaah when you have nailpolish on. What I have read is, say if someone is really sick that he/she cannot use cold water, in that case he/she can perform tayammum. So, Allah made it easy for that person.

Bro, honestly, I'm not aware of the situation during wars, so not gonna comment on that or speculate. I don't know why you are assuming water was scarce. Maybe it was, maybe not. Allahu Alam.

Lastly, just want to say that as someone who has no background or education in the sciences of Quran, hadith, fiqh, tafseer, etc., me or you or any other layperson, should refer to a reliable scholar for the deen. If you refer to a scholar, then you are doing your job as a layperson to not follow your own interpretations blindly.

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Peace Sa1eem

What you see as fussy … the Sahabah saw as being particular … It appears you don’t know much about how particular they really were … To you it is the ulema of today who are being particular - which is not true - the ulema of today make so many concessions for us lay people.

Here read this:

****http://www.islamic-vision.com/articles/158/1/Masail-of-the-Hairs/Page1.html

According to this reference Sayydina Ali (RA) shaved his head so he would not leave any part under the hair dry for ghusl.

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KaafHaaYaaAynSaad: Again interpretation :)

Well, I do not accept interpretation of person you trust (unfortunately, I cannot say your interpretation, because it is not your interpretation but you are just blindly getting it from somewhere).

Anyhow, can you please answer in simple words, without bringing someone else interpretation that I would reject and still would not be able to ask you to clarify it, because it would not be your interpretation rather someone else interpretation.

So, question is:
Do you believe or not that, no one would bear burden of others on judgment day? ... Assuming that you do believe ... then please answer two simple questions:

If people (Muslims) are dependent on ‘getting message of Allah’ from understanding of other peoples (so-called scholars), then how can they be responsible of their beliefs, actions and deeds ... as whatever they would be doing won’t be due to their own understanding but because someone told them to?

Worse is that, why Allah would do that? Is Allah deficient in expressing himself or is he short of vocabulary that he could not give clear instructions to people for whom those messages are meant?

[Practical example: In Pakistan, many people are doing suicide and killing innocent others thinking that they are doing ‘Jihad’ what Allah commanded them to do, and by doing so they would go to Jannah and would get multitude hoors and bliss of life. Their misguided belief is due to so-called scholars who told them that this is what Allah commands Muslims in Quran.

Now, are those who are killing innocent others and doing suicide, responsible of their beliefs, actions, and deeds ... or ... is it those so-called scholars who would take their sin on judgement day and these killers would get their jannah, bliss of life and 40 hoors regardless of what they did? As obviously, they are just following scholars they believe are knowledgeable and eminent people.]

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Peace Sa1eem

Also, I've said this before and will say it again ... This translation is wrong ... The Qur'an has been made easy to memorise and recite ... the proof is that many millions of people are doing this today and they do so at a young age without any understanding of the verses. The Qur'an has not been made easy to understand ... and the proof of this is that there is so much conflict and alternative opinions. The Qur'an itself states that it has direct verses and other verses with allegorical meanings ... it also claims to be both Guidance and can lead others to misguidance ... also the word in Arabic in that verse is "zikr" which is not the word in Arabic for "understand" ... the root of which is FHM, rather than ZKR.

The Qur'an also states that we seek out the people of knowledge regarding matters of detail to understand.

The recent (I mean over the past 80 years) we have been systematically trained to deny the role of our ulema by mistranslations like this ... I blame the popular media and those who have the funding to make their opinions more widespread.

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Peace Sa1eem

It is clear that you have not given this question much thought. I trust you are perfectly able to arrive at this conclusion all by yourself.

If a parent raises a child badly swearing and not telling them to be truthful and hitting them giving them alcohol ... then when the child reaches adulthood - is it not unfair on that child to be expected to become a perfect law abiding human?

Of course it is unfair ... Allah (SWT) is Just and the Judge - He knows the conditions we were subjected to, the opportunities that arose that we didn't take and our personal capabilities. There is also something called Sadqah jariya ... that if you give money to a school and the school creates pious children then Allah reflects that reward to the school and reflects is again in you who donated to that school.

The point in saying this is that blame and root cause is far more complicated than you think ... If I kill someone - do you not think that Allah (SWT) will not look at the circumstances of that kill? People are truly responsible for their own actions ... but it is also true that others are affected and influenced by each others decisions - this is why the scholars and leaders will have a harder task ... because their actions affect society whereas the actions of normal people at most affect their own circle of friends and family.

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^^^
I think if a parent raises his child badly and after that child grows and still stick with what his parents taught him without learning himself then he would be responsible of his deeds, as he got chance still he did not changed. Thus, such person deserve punishment for his deeds

As for learning Islam, there is no excuse, as Allah test a person according to what Allah gave a person and that includes his intellectual ability. If that person, instead of learning himself (or believing and following after understanding from others) rely on others blindly than that person deserves to go to hell, as that person did not used the intellectual ability Allah gave him.

On the other hand, if he lacks in intellectual ability then what is required of him to follow is what he could understand from his limited intellectual ability. And that means, again he should try to learn and understand himself (from Quran or others) rather rely on others blindly (who might have spent years learning hence called 'scholars' ... but might have even lower intellectual ability then him).

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Psyah: Chalayain, for you, you should take other people's understanding for your religion, relying on them completely...but yea, do not expect that he (so-called scholar you trust) would be there answering for you on judgment day.

[For me, I trust myself when it comes to religion, as it would be me who would have to answer my beliefs and deeds :)]

As for your post and story mentioned about Ali (RA). I think that it could not be true but fabricated (that is my belief). Just imagine, Allah has allowed ‘tayamum’ as alternative to Ghusal-Janabat where only requirement is sand or earth on face and hand ... and at the same time Allah is so particular about overlooking area equivalent to a single strand of hair on head. It does not look right to me.

It is just like, at one place for those who would do tayamum, Allah is allowing camel to go through the gate, and at other place for those who want to take Ghusal, Allah is showing concern even if ant gets through. :)

Anyhow, since you believe on this story, you should start shaving your head and become ganja (just joking) :)

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Peace Sa1eem

It's not about whether the child chooses to stick with what his parents have given him or not ... it is do with the opportunities that are open to him after being raised in a certain climate ... even if he wants to change it will be much harder for him ... That is the level of judgement given by Allah (SWT) ... Also you made no attempt to explain sadqah jariya - if you are correct then why is it that sadqah jariya is a reality? Surely why should one person be given rewards for the acts of another?

Yes a murderer deserves punishment, but do you think that punishment will be the same if the murder was done by a scholar as opposed to a lay person? Of course not ... the scholars aught to know better ... Likewise ... all people are judged according to their circumstances. They will not always be given full blame ... but it will be apportioned to all people. This is why we have a duty to society it is because our actions impact society all the time in the ways we know or do not know.

Yes and we are judged on our efforts - not our achievements ... which is a blessing from Allah (SWT) ... so if a person "tries" to do good as opposed to a person who merely does "good" without trying the one who tries gets more reward and the one who does not try is expected to try to do more good according to his capability.

But note this that no one will enter Jannah except by the Mercy of Allah (SWT).

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I am amazed that you feel you are the one learning the deen for yourself and I am the one following scholars blindly ... Rather you have admitted in your post that you "feel" such and such a fabrication without putting any effort in to verify it. Also, you are the one who uses translations made by scholars - using falsely translated ayat without doing your own research and learning Arabic for yourself ...

I urge you - if you feel that your scholars cannot earn you any shield or protection by being the ones with knowledge - then I urge you to become as knowledgeable about the deen as they are otherwise you have no one to turn to except yourself. Learn Arabic, tajweed, memorisation of Qur'an, Fiqh to the level of mufti and learn your aqidah - if you are Deobandi then that is Maturidi (Imam Maturidi was a great scholar by the way) ...

Learn these things if you feel you are solely responsible for your beliefs and actions ... if you do not learn them then how you can come here and debate such matters is beyond me.

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Brother saleem,

Even the Sahabas (RA) learned the Quran and the deen itself from the Prophet SAW. If they cannot just pick up the Quran and read it, then who are we. I mean, can you even read classical Arabic, for one?

And, I'm really upset by your attitude towards scholars who have devoted their lives for this deen. It's utterly disrespectful that you dismiss them just by saying "so-called" scholars. The quote from my post above is from Mufti Shafi Usmani's tafseer and translated by his son, Mufti Taqi Usmani. May Allah have mercy on them both. They are one of the most famous and reliable scholars in Pakistan and renowned internationally.

Do you really think you know more than them?

My brother, understanding Quran fully is a science in of itself. It's not a story book. Yes, there are clear cut ruling, but not all verses can be taken at face value. Just be aware, because I'm afraid Allah will question you for not relying on those who had more knowledge than you, but you followed your own nafs.

May Allah keep us all on the Straight Path.

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Peace desigirl786,

Allah SWT created 'Insaan' in the best of moulds. Does nailpolish is worth than original nails colors? I'm not saying that you shouldn't use it. You may use it if you like it but not before that time when u r about to do wudu. You may use it after doing wudu as many others suggested. Moreover, nailpolish donot prevent salat.

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From what I know is that in performing wudu...the water has to touch the skin (obviously)... and nail is not considered skin...so we can apply nailpolish...Allah knows best..

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If that is the case, then hair on your head is also not considered skin. That means we dont need to make hair wet aswell?

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Brother Peace. I also believe that people would be judged after taking into account opportunities, background and efforts. No argument here. As for sadqah-e-Jariya, I do not know what that has to do with present discussion.

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Yes a murderer deserves punishment, but do you think that punishment will be the same if the murder was done by a scholar as opposed to a lay person? Of course not ... the scholars aught to know better ... Likewise ... all people are judged according to their circumstances. They will not always be given full blame ... but it will be apportioned to all people. This is why we have a duty to society it is because our actions impact society all the time in the ways we know or do not know.
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I also believe that punishments and rewards would depend on various factors (environment, background, efforts, opportunity, acquired knowledge, etc). Anyhow, I do not believe that ignorance is any excuse in front of Allah when it comes to ‘universal justice’. Thus, I believe punishment for murderer would not take into account scholarly knowledge, rather would take into account state of murderers mind, reasons (of murder) and related knowledge.

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Yes and we are judged on our efforts - not our achievements ... which is a blessing from Allah (SWT) ... so if a person "tries" to do good as opposed to a person who merely does "good" without trying the one who tries gets more reward and the one who does not try is expected to try to do more good according to his capability.

But note this that no one will enter Jannah except by the Mercy of Allah (SWT).
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I agree with you that a person would be judged on their efforts and not on achievements (as what I believe ... Allah knows best). Anyhow, I completely agree that a person would enter Jannah due to Mercy of Allah and not due to his/her efforts, achievements, or whatever.

From your various posts, I feel you blindly follow scholars (whom you trust), though put effort to learn so that you can justify what you follow blindly. My feeling might be wrong but what I felt I wrote. As for me, I do rely on works of past scholars, but that is only for guidance, and not blindly. I would reject from them what I feel is wrong and accept from them what I feel is right. No one is sacred cow for me other than Quran and Prophet (SAW).

I believe Allah will judge me taking into account my efforts and abilities to understand. Since, I will be answerable to what I understand, believe and follow, not what others (so-called scholars) want me to understand, believe and follow, I have to believe and follow what I understand is right, not others. To me it is ‘munafiqat’ that a person follows something saying that he believes, when he neither understands nor believe, rather he is following someone blindly just because he believe on that person who is not even Prophet of Allah.

As for hadith you wrote [Ali (RA) shaving his head], to me that hadith seems concocted, so I could not believe on it. IMO if I accept that hadith without believing it to be true, I would be guilty of ‘bohtan’ [accusing Prophet (SAW) and Ali (RA) of something I believe they never said], something I would never dare.

As for Quranic ayah I used, how can you say that I used falsely translated ayah? *.

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I urge you - if you feel that your scholars cannot earn you any shield or protection by being the ones with knowledge - then I urge you to become as knowledgeable about the deen as they are otherwise you have no one to turn to except yourself. Learn Arabic, tajweed, memorisation of Qur'an, Fiqh to the level of mufti and learn your aqidah - if you are Deobandi then that is Maturidi (Imam Maturidi was a great scholar by the way) ...
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It is not that I feel, but I believe that no scholars can give any protection. [Note: There are scholars and there are wali-Allahs. I am not talking about wali-Allahs but scholars. As for wali-Allahs, my faith is that, they can become shield on judgment day ... and I have reasons to believe that].

As for gaining knowledge about deen and Aqeedah, I believe I have acquired enough, anyhow, learning never ends. As for Tajweed, Arabic, and memorising Quran, they help but are not necessary to know and understand Islam or Quran.

As for learning Maturidi, Ashari, Mutazila, Athari and other aqeedahs, it is no harm knowing about them and learning from them but I do not think it is necessary to stick with one of them or other to know and understand Islam. I follow Hanafi Mazhab because I was born into it and also because I believe it is safer to follow rulings of an Imam unless one can prove any particular ruling wrong or have reasons to accept alternative ruling.

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Learn these things if you feel you are solely responsible for your beliefs and actions ... if you do not learn them then how you can come here and debate such matters is beyond me.
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Chalo, if you think my present knowledge and understanding of Islam is insufficient to debate, than what can I do? I can also develop same believe for you or anyone, but would that make any difference? :)*

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Brother, do not compare Prophet (SAW) with Scholars. Quran was revealed to Prophet (SAW) and his knowledge was coming from Allah. As for Scholars, there is nothing special about them, as they learn Quran and Islam just like anyone, and would be responsible of their deeds just like anyone. Most have their own preferences and biases.

Anyhow, regarding most ayahs, even Prophet (SAW) used to leave the understanding to people listening. Not only Sahabas but even kuffars use to understand Quran when they use to hear. Some Kuffars after understanding Quran used to accept Islam but problematic Kuffars used to reject messages in Quran, as if they were deaf and dumb or dead.

Actually, most of the time when people (that includes Kuffar) used to ask Prophet (SAW) regarding something, Allah used to send ayahs (revelations) to clarify people and answer their questions, such that they could understand.

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And, I'm really upset by your attitude towards scholars who have devoted their lives for this deen. It's utterly disrespectful that you dismiss them just by saying "so-called" scholars. The quote from my post above is from Mufti Shafi Usmani's tafseer and translated by his son, Mufti Taqi Usmani. May Allah have mercy on them both. They are one of the most famous and reliable scholars in Pakistan and renowned internationally.

Do you really think you know more than them?
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Why are you upset? Don’t you know that there is no scholar of present time, whom one group of Muslim or another may call deviant or misguided?

Anyhow, regardless of I believe what they believe or not, they would be answerable to Allah what they believe in same way I (just like any Muslim) would be answerable to Allah what I believe.

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My brother, understanding Quran fully is a science in of itself. It's not a story book. Yes, there are clear cut ruling, but not all verses can be taken at face value. Just be aware, because I'm afraid Allah will question you for not relying on those who had more knowledge than you, but you followed your own nafs.

May Allah keep us all on the Straight Path.
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Can you please tell me that, Allah sent Quran for humans (regardless of their religion) or so-called scholars?

If Allah sent message for humans, then why he would send his message (Quran) in language that human could not understand (without someone interpreting for them)?

If Allah sent message for so-called scholars, then why humans should accept that message (Quran) as if it is meant for them?

I do not know why you think that so-called scholars can understand Quran and ordinary humans can’t?

Fact is that, Quran is easy to understand as Quran is message from Allah to humans, not so-called scholars, in language of humans. Having doubt on that means doubting Allah’s ability to send message in language that humans’ could understand, and thus Allah needing help of so-called scholars to explain his message. Such belief is preposterous.

Even though, if Allah had not mentioned in Quran that his message (Quran) is easy for humans to understand, I would have still believed that his message (Quran) is easy to understand, as his message (Quran) is for humans. Anyhow, it is not at one place but at many places in Quran Allah told Muslims that Allah has made Quran easy to understand.

For instance: Surah Al-Qamar (54) at 4 places: ayah 54:17, 22, 32 and 40.

If one read surah Al-Qamar (54) and think on content, it would be clear that in ayahs 54:17, 22, 32 and 40, Allah means ‘understanding Quran and not just remembering’. Anyhow, I won’t go into the content of the surah Al-Qamar because there are many other places where it is much clearly mentioned that Quran is easy to understand. Surah Yusuf (12), Ayah 1 and 2.

Ayah 12:1 A.L.R. Alif, Lam, Ra. These are the verses of the clear Book.

In 12:1 Allah refers Quran as: Kitab-il-Mubeen ... clear book or book that manifest itself (a book that is open or clear for anyone to understand)

Ayah 12:2 Indeed, We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand.

In 12:2 Allah refers to Quran as book sent in Arabic because people may understand

Ayah 41:44 ... Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"

In surah 41 (Fussilat) ayah 44, Allah says that Quran is sent in Arabic so that people whose language was Arabic could understand. If it was for memorisation only then Allah could have sent Quran in Chinese and it would have made no difference.

Prophet (SAW) language was Arabic and people around him used to speak Arabic. So Allah sent ‘Quran’ in Arabic not because Arabic is any special, but because people around Prophet (SAW) could understand the message.

If Quran was just easy to remember and not easy to understand, than sending Quran in Chinese would have been great idea. People would have considered ‘Quran’ as obvious miracle, as Prophet (SAW) did not used to know Chinese still receiving ‘wahi’ in Chinese. Further, people would have remembered Quran (as they do today) and when it comes to understanding they could have looked for ‘people who knew Chinese with knowledge’ (so-called scholars) to understand (well, that is what some so-called Muslims would like to do).

Just imagine ... in surah 41:44 ... Allah says that, if Quran was not sent in Arabic, people would say "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?"

Does it show something? Why people would say: ‘Why are not its verses explained in detail?’

If Allah wanted that ‘Quran’ should be explained by Prophet (SAW) and humans should only remember than ... What is need for: ‘verses getting explained in details?’ Was there not Prophet (SAW) enough, who could have explained the book in detail?

Obviously, if people would have asked question than prophet (SAW) could have told them that your job is just to remember the book like parrots and leave the explanation on me.

But Allah did not wanted that, Allah wants that people for whom Allah sent message (Quran) should understand the message too, so he sent Quran in language that people could understand (Arabic at the time because people around messenger used to speak Arabic). Actually, in front of Allah it would have been valid for people to reject Quran if they could not understand it, and that is why Allah said what he said, that is, if Quran was sent in language that people could not understand they would ask. ‘Why are not its verses explained in detail?’ (41:44)

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so is it alright if i never read the quran translation myself or hadith...........since i am incapable of understanding it............... lets do away with them............since the scholar will tell me the correct thing............

and when i stand on the judgement day.........i can just say "the molvi told me to do it....ask him"........

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How did this discussion cross so many tangents after the following reply?