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You guys are ignorant.
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professor teach us ,plz.
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I never said I am praying to Prophet, you only pray to Allah. When Allah has sent Quran using a wasilah i.e. Prophet pbuh, then why can't we use him as a wasila? How come it is shirik? We are not saying that Prophet pbuh is nauz billah Allah.
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^ How come its shirk?...For the very reasons i mentioned in my last post.
How can you say.."Ya Rasoolallah Madad" is not praying to the Prophet. Allah sent wahi on the Prophet for a purpose, and you just cant use that argument to justify Waseelah.
The wahi coming to the Prophet was the best way for Islam to be revealed. Had Jibril come out openly in the middle of a market place, in his true form for everyone to see...and read out the verses, Iqra bismi rabikallazi khalaq it would have made much sense, since a great majority of the population would have died from shock...and those who would survive would have believed instantly. Now that isn't the purpose of Islam...the purpose of this Deen is to test the people.
Waseelah is forbidden and its shirk...and besides there is no need for Waseelah because is Allah is All Hearing, All Seeing and he knows what goes on in every person's heart.
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what reference do you that wasila is forbiden and shirk?
sorry i don't agree with you.
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If you've studied the fiqh of Ibadah, you'd know that every act of worship is forbidden unless it was practiced/taught by the Prophet.
Now using the Waseelah of the Prophet after he's died, what we need to know here is did the Companions continue doing Waseelah after his death?
You're advocating the practice of Waseelah, hence the burden of providing the proof for that falls upon you. Do you have proof that the Prophet asked us to do Waseelah after he died, or that the Companions practiced Waseelah after the Prophet's death.
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How can you say.."Ya Rasoolallah Madad" is not praying to the Prophet. Allah sent wahi on the Prophet for a purpose, and you just cant use that argument to justify Waseelah.
The wahi coming to the Prophet was the best way for Islam to be revealed. Had Jibril come out openly in the middle of a market place, in his true form for everyone to see...and read out the verses, Iqra bismi rabikallazi khalaq it would have made much sense, since a great majority of the population would have died from shock...and those who would survive would have believed instantly. Now that isn't the purpose of Islam...the purpose of this Deen is to test the people.
Waseelah is forbidden and its shirk...and besides there is no need for Waseelah because is Allah is All Hearing, All Seeing and he knows what goes on in every person's heart.
The bold part, what you said is exactly right, let me just add on Waseelah from a dead person is shirk but Waseelah from a person who is alive and a Righteous person is allowed.
Eg. During the time of Prophet salaAllaahalayhi waliuwasallam, the land was barren so a bedouin asked Prophet to supplicate to Allaah for rain.
Second incident during the caliphate of Hazrath Umer radiAllaahuanha, when the same situation existed Prophets Uncle Hazrath Abbas, was asked to supplicate for rain.
Now for Lussi these two verses of the Quran below should make you think
It is Allah who created the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them in six days; then He established Himself above the Throne. You have not besides Him any protector (Wali) or any intercessor; so will you not be reminded? Surah 32:4
Read the above verse a** million times**, if you cannot understand. This is a thought provoking verse, check the question mark in the end. Not yet satisfied, wait for another Word of Allaah (Subhana wa taaala) below,
And not equal are the living and the dead. Indeed, Allah causes to hear whom He wills, but you cannot make hear those in the graves **Surah 35:22.**
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** Shirk has nothing to do with the dead or alive. **
The Aqeeda of the Ahle Sunnah wal Jama’at is that to seek the mediation of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is permissible or allowed by the Shari’ah.
The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila when approaching Allah Ta’ala. Allah Ta’ala states in the Holy Quran: “O ye who believe! Fear Allah and search for a Wasila (mediation) towards Him and strive in His path on that hope that you will gain refuge.” (Part 6, Ruku 10)
The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila by approaching the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Allah Ta’ala states in the Holy Quran: “And if when they do injustice unto their souls, then O Beloved! They should come to you and then beg forgiveness from Allah, and the Messenger should intercede for them, then surely, they would find Allah most Relenting, Merciful.” (Part 5, Ruku 7)
The Ambiya are Wasilas (mediators) for their Ummah in every form and the Wasila of the Ambiya is the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Hence, the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Wasila of all mediations, even the Wasila for Hadrat Adam (alaihis salaam). (Tafseer Saadi)
Imam Bukhari(RA) in his Kitaabu Adaabul Mufrad has written that Hazrat Adullah ibn Omar(RA) once suffered from cramp. Someone advised him to rememberthe person whom he loved most. The great Companion then proclaimed loudly: “Ya Muhammad”, it is recorded that he was immediately relieved of the cramps.
Imam-e-Mujtahid Sayyidi Abdur Rahman Masoodi(RA) was the grandson of Hazrat Abdullah ibn Masood(RA). He was also a very great Jurist and a Taabieen of high rank. It is said he used to wear a long hat on which were inscribed the words “Muhammad, Ya Mansoor”.Substantiating this, Imam Hasheem bin Jameel Az Zaaki(RA) who was among the great Ulema and Muhaddatheen of the time states: "I saw him (i.e. Hazrat Abdur Rahman Masoodi) place a long hat on his head, onit were inscribed the words “Muhammad, Ya Mansoor”.
May Allah give us the courage and strength to establish the truth. May He protect our Iman from the evil scholars of shaitan. Ameen.
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The Aqeeda of the Ahle Sunnah wal Jama'at is that to seek the mediation of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is permissible or allowed by the Shari’ah.
The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila when approaching Allah Ta’ala. Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah and search for a Wasila (mediation) towards Him and strive in His path on that hope that you will gain refuge." (Part 6, Ruku 10)
The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila by approaching the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "And if when they do injustice unto their souls, then O Beloved! They should come to you and then beg forgiveness from Allah, and the Messenger should intercede for them, then surely, they would find Allah most Relenting, Merciful." (Part 5, Ruku 7)
The Ambiya are Wasilas (mediators) for their Ummah in every form and the Wasila of the Ambiya is the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Hence, the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Wasila of all mediations, even the Wasila for Hadrat Adam (alaihis salaam). (Tafseer Saadi)
Imam Bukhari(RA) in his Kitaabu Adaabul Mufrad has written that Hazrat Adullah ibn Omar(RA) once suffered from cramp. Someone advised him to rememberthe person whom he loved most. The great Companion then proclaimed loudly: "Ya Muhammad", it is recorded that he was immediately relieved of the cramps.
Imam-e-Mujtahid Sayyidi Abdur Rahman Masoodi(RA) was the grandson of Hazrat Abdullah ibn Masood(RA). He was also a very great Jurist and a Taabieen of high rank. It is said he used to wear a long hat on which were inscribed the words "Muhammad, Ya Mansoor".Substantiating this, Imam Hasheem bin Jameel Az Zaaki(RA) who was among the great Ulema and Muhaddatheen of the time states: "I saw him (i.e. Hazrat Abdur Rahman Masoodi) place a long hat on his head, onit were inscribed the words "Muhammad, Ya Mansoor".
May Allah give us the courage and strength to establish the truth. May He protect our Iman from the evil scholars of shaitan. Ameen.
Which chapter are these from ?. Let me read the tafseer.
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***Shirk has nothing to do with the dead or alive. *
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Then can you please define me whats shirk, I am waiting for it.
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The Aqeeda of the Ahle Sunnah wal Jama'at is that to seek the mediation of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is permissible or allowed by the Shari’ah.
The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila when approaching Allah Ta’ala. Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah and search for a Wasila (mediation) towards Him and strive in His path on that hope that you will gain refuge." (Part 6, Ruku 10)
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I dont even have to see the Quran it is Chapter 5:35. Do you know the tafsir of this, please get it, you will understand coz if I put it up u will ignore.
You Remember, the Dua after Adhaan, please put the translation. First thing remember, You can ask Allaah please do Grant my Muslims the best of Guidance.
But it is not allowed for us to supplicate Ya Rasollallaah, ask Allaah to give me strength. Ya is only used for an individual who is alive and not dead.
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The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila by approaching the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "And if when they do injustice unto their souls, then O Beloved! They should come to you and then beg forgiveness from Allah, and the Messenger should intercede for them, then surely, they would find Allah most Relenting, Merciful." (Part 5, Ruku 7)
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This is only on the day of judgement, that Prophet is going to come as an intercession. In that case the babies also, who have died as infants are allowed to intercede to there Mothers during the day of Judgement, why dont we ask wasila from them also.
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The Ambiya are Wasilas (mediators) for their Ummah in every form and the Wasila of the Ambiya is the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Hence, the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Wasila of all mediations, even the Wasila for Hadrat Adam (alaihis salaam). (Tafseer Saadi)
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You have confirmed my above point, now do you get it Wasila is only given to the Prophet only on the day of Judgement.
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Imam Bukhari(RA) in his Kitaabu Adaabul Mufrad has written that Hazrat Adullah ibn Omar(RA) once suffered from cramp. Someone advised him to remember the person whom he loved most. The great Companion then proclaimed loudly: "Ya Muhammad", it is recorded that he was immediately relieved of the cramps.
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Get me the Volume no. Book no. and the Hadith no., I dont deny you but I can also confirm.
But before that let me write the Word of Allaah in the Noble Quran
Surah 10:49
Say, (O Mohammed) “I possess not for myself any harm or benefit except what Allah should will".
I leave it as an exercise to read the verses above that.
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Imam-e-Mujtahid Sayyidi Abdur Rahman Masoodi(RA) was the grandson of Hazrat Abdullah ibn Masood(RA). He was also a very great Jurist and a Taabieen of high rank. It is said he used to wear a long hat on which were inscribed the words "Muhammad, Ya Mansoor".Substantiating this, Imam Hasheem bin Jameel Az Zaaki(RA) who was among the great Ulema and Muhaddatheen of the time states: "I saw him (i.e. Hazrat Abdur Rahman Masoodi) place a long hat on his head, onit were inscribed the words "Muhammad, Ya Mansoor".
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I have no idea about that, so I cant comment. But I know Hazrath Abu Huraira radiAllaahuanha, did in front of Prophet, Abu Bakr and Hazrath Umer in a Sequence.
He first send Salams to the Messenger salaAllaahualayhi wa salam, then Hazrath Abu Bakr and his father Hazrath Umar.
I never read any Ya Rasollullaah.
Btw, forget about that When Prophet salaAllaahualayhiwasallam was alive, Hazrath Umar, just told the Prophet i am going for Umra. **
**You know the answer of the Prophet, Please do supplicate for me too, Prophet said this to Hazrath Umar.
Hazrath Umar wept after this.
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May Allah give us the courage and strength to establish the truth. May He protect our Iman from the evil scholars of shaitan. Ameen
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I hundred percent agree with you.
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This is the explanation of the verse 35 taken from tafseer
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notebook, you did provide the references but did not actually went into the details of what it mean. You are using bits and pieces out of the verse and this not how we get meaning from quran. It has a continuation of scenes , topics and history across different chapters.
The translation that you provided says
**The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila when approaching Allah Ta’ala. Allah Ta’ala states in the Holy Quran: “O ye who believe! Fear Allah and search for a Wasila (mediation) towards Him and strive in His path on that hope that you will gain refuge.” (Part 6, Ruku 10)
The following verse proves that one can seek a Wasila by approaching the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).
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Now how can you say it **proves **that wasila here means Holly Prophet SAW ?
It in simple words says find ways to approach me…and the attachment i posted tell you what wasila actually means in this context
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A wasila doesn't get you into heaven. He just asks Allah (SWT) to forgive you. We could always ask Allah (SWT) directly, but what's shirk in asking Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) to make dua for me? Nobody in here said it's not ok to pray to Allah (SWT) directly. We all agree that it's allowed obviously. Ultimately, Allah (SWT) will make the decision.
The word 'shirk' gets thrown around like a football in here these days when people don't even know it's meaning. It's really sad. Claiming something to be shirk when it's really not is a sin itself. AstugfirAllah.
"I bear witness there is no God but Allah and Muhammad IS the messenger of God."
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Can someones answer my #35, and define shirk please.
I want answers for my rebuttal. Rather than going round the circle.
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Prophet pbuh is not like any other dead person in a grave. If he can't hear us then why are we asked to send durood and salam on him pbuh?
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lol people throw the word shirk around like it's a football and want a definition for it now...
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The Being of the Almighty Allah is indeed One. It is only those who are ignorant and persist in being ignorant need an explanation on how Almighty Allah is One and is actually Present. Those who are Allah-conscious do not desire an explanation on this subject of Tauheed and Shirk.
The meaning of “Tauheed” is to believe that there is no Partner to Allah in His Being and in His Attributes. In other words, how Almighty Allah is, we do not believe that there is another being like Him. If any person believes on the contrary, then his belief would constitute Shirk.
Indeed Almighty Allah possesses the Attribute of “Living”, yet He has, also through His Mercy, bestowed upon His Creation this very quality. The attribute of living though which we relate to ourselves is not the same Attribute of Living as we relate to Allah. The difference is that His Attribute of Living is non-bestowed, while the attribute of living which we posses is one which we have been bestowed with by Allah. The attribute of living which He has bestowed upon us is temporary and non-eternal, while His Attribute of Living is Eternal and non-bestowed.
If this principle and law is applied to all qualities and attributes, then the question of Shirk will never arise.
The Almighty Allah states in the Holy Quran:
Man zal lazi yashfa’u indahoo illa bi izni.
“Who is it that can intercede with Him, except with His permission.” (Sura Baqara: Verse 225)
From this Quranic injunction, an important fact is becoming apparent to us. Almighty Allah is quite clearly stating to us that not everyone will be given permission to intercede except those to whom He has given permission
The Holy Quran is evidence of Hazrat 'Isa (alaihis salaam) explaining to his nation some of his amazing miracles. This serves as a reminder to all, of the power and authority bestowed by Allah upon His beloved servants. He states:
Wa ubri’ul akmaha wal abrasa wa uh’yil mawta bi iznillahi
"I heal those who are born blind and the leper and I raise
the dead by Allah’s permission." (Sura Ale Imraan: Verse 49)
We know that to perform amazing duties as explained by Hazrat 'Isa (alaihis salaam) is indeed the Grace of the Almighty Allah, yet this great Prophet is actually stating that he can perform them. Is he guilty (Allah forbid!) of committing Shirk? No, for he has clearly proven by one verse the difference between Shirk and Tauheed.
When he has said, “these duties are performed through the permission of Allah”, immediately, the question of Shirk is dismissed and the entire concept becomes one of Tauheed. Keeping this in mind, when Muslims state that great Prophets and Saints can perform miracles and do so with the Permission of Allah, how can any sensible person call this action as being Shirk. This belief is purely Tauheed.
It is simple, those people whose sole aim is to deprive Islam of its unity, peace and harmony, intentionally make it difficult so that the simple-minded Muslims become confused and misguided.
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Good point :k: