Another one bites the dust.
Does anything more need to be said?
Completely fake government.
Another one bites the dust.
Does anything more need to be said?
Completely fake government.
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and completely fake 2013 elections
whattay joke
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So Imran was right all along! Well done to him! No wonder Noon league fans, and all party jiyalas opposed him and abused him. Now you know why PMLN did not open up those constituencies. And where are those people who made fun of Imran's four constituencies demand?
Poor patwaris must be having wild fantasies about burning JKT and his poor plane! God have mercy on JKT's plane - the ultimate political punching bag for those who do not know what to oppose!
On a second thought - they might not abuse JKT plane this time - bring on Gen Pasha and Gen. Zaheer and any retired army man you can possibly think of. Noon leeg loves their boogiemen
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3 down 1 to go
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Is this all part of London plan as well?
What did Imran demand for 1 year before he went for dharna? Just investigate 4 constituencies but first there was no reaction and then there were stay orders by PMLN, why did they take stay orders to delay this? Shouldn't they be criticised for time wasting instead of Imran? Problem is we spend half of our life complaining about corrupt system and when someone tries to take a stand, people criticise them for wasting the time?
Now people will blame it on ECP rather than PMLN and when Imran questions ECP they believe they are not at fault either so who is at fault then??
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How anyone can still vote for Noon League is utterly beyond me. In another country people would be heading to jails for this. In Pakistan they'll come back to power again, such is life.
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How anyone can still vote for Noon League is utterly beyond me. In another country people would be heading to jails for this. In Pakistan they'll come back to power again, such is life.
The only and one slogan, whether you like it or not "jaag punjabi jaag teri pag main lag gai aag', was the main motto and vision of PML(N). Zia-ul-Haq created them in Punjab and he also created mqm in Sindh just to counter PPP which was the really main stream most popular national party then.
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The only and one slogan, whether you like it or not "jaag punjabi jaag teri pag main lag gai aag', was the main motto and vision of PML(N). Zia-ul-Haq created them in Punjab and he also created mqm in Sindh just to counter PPP which was the really main stream most popular national party then.
ethnic issue could be in punjab but ethnic card is not powerful in punjab as it is in sindh/karachi. Last term was completed by PPP's haramkhor by getting votes from punjab. Having said that people are ignorant of what is good for them. PML needed dhandli is a positive thing that they felt heat but PPP dont even need dhandli you know why.
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ethnic issue could be in punjab but ethnic card is not powerful in punjab as it is in sindh/karachi. Last term was completed by PPP's haramkhor by getting votes from punjab. Having said that people are ignorant of what is good for them.
Just google it and it is not what you think. It happened and changed the mind set. N$ used this card very successfully when IJI was running against PPP in first election after the death of Zia-ul-Haq. IJI was created by ISI and vision was also given by ISI to PML(N) to discount PPP to label it as Sindhi party as it was founded by ZAB.
Ethinic card in Sindh was created by no one else but father of N$ and his gang, Zia-ul-Haq ex-CAOS and chief marshal law administrator in the early eighties who was himself a punjabi.
By the way in last term punjabis gave vote to PML(N) and ruled in Punjab. Get your facts corrected.
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thats great, I hope Kh Asif goes home too. When is that constituency's result?
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Just google it and it is not what you think. It happened and changed the mind set. N$ used this card very successfully when IJI was running against PPP in first election after the death of Zia-ul-Haq. IJI was created by ISI and vision was also given by ISI to PML(N) to discount PPP to label it as Sindhi party as it was founded by ZAB.
Ethinic cared in Sindh was created by no one else but father of N$ and his gang, Zia-ul-Haq ex-CAOS and chief marshal law administrator in the early eighties who was himself a punjabi.
I remember the period well. Basically Nawaz Sharif was CM of Punjab and Benazir had blocked metal scrap on Karachi's port. It was all business, but Nawaz portrayed it as Punjab versus Sindh. In Punjab people do prefer those who take a stand, like Bhutto in the past. Shahbaz Sharif has been doing all sorts of gimmicks during his last tenure as CM, while they played friendly opposition in the center SS had to play to the gallery as well.
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Just google it and it is not what you think. It happened and changed the mind set. N$ used this card very successfully when IJI was running against PPP in first election after the death of Zia-ul-Haq. IJI was created by ISI and vision was also given by ISI to PML(N) to discount PPP to label it as Sindhi party as it was founded by ZAB.
Ethinic card in Sindh was created by no one else but father of N$ and his gang, Zia-ul-Haq ex-CAOS and chief marshal law administrator in the early eighties who was himself a punjabi.
By the way in last term punjabis gave vote to PML(N) and ruled in Punjab. Get your facts corrected.
lolz
just compare the number of votes PPP got from punjab and PMLn got from sindh.
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I remember the period well. Basically Nawaz Sharif was CM of Punjab and Benazir had blocked metal scrap on Karachi's port. It was all business, but Nawaz portrayed it as Punjab versus Sindh. In Punjab people do prefer those who take a stand, like Bhutto in the past. Shahbaz Sharif has been doing all sorts of gimmicks during his last tenure as CM, while they played friendly opposition in the center SS had to play to the gallery as well.
She blocked for the wrong reasons though a lawful government should not only blocked N$'s scrap trains originated from Karachi but he should have been in jail for deceiving the government by evasion of customs duty when he was importing brand new hardware in the name of scrap. Please don't defend the robbers of Pakistan's wealth because they are punjabis.
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lolz just compare the number of votes PPP got from punjab and PMLn got from sindh.
That was the start. The evil of ethnic card created during that time, has now matured. Even PPP got more votes in Punjab then but could not form the government because of ISI involvement directly in the politics of Pakistan.
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That was the start. The evil of ethnic card created during that time, has now matured. Even PPP got more votes in Punjab then but could not form the government because of ISI involvement directly in the politics of Pakistan.
excuses...
and you say "By the way in last term punjabis gave vote to PML(N) and ruled in Punjab. " :D
Its funny you justifying racism at other side.
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Just google it and it is not what you think. It happened and changed the mind set. N$ used this card very successfully when IJI was running against PPP in first election after the death of Zia-ul-Haq. IJI was created by ISI and vision was also given by ISI to PML(N) to discount PPP to label it as Sindhi party as it was founded by ZAB.
Ethinic cared in Sindh was created by no one else but father of N$ and his gang, Zia-ul-Haq ex-CAOS and chief marshal law administrator in the early eighties who was himself a punjabi. ** By the way in last term punjabis gave vote to PML(N) and ruled in Punjab. Get your facts corrected**.
PMLN is known for rigging elections against popular opposition - be it once upon a time massively in fashion PPP or PTI of 2013 - because they know that party never had and will never have any genuinely ideological and passionate people's support. Their only claim to power is through abuse of the system and state institutions, and through buying and burying people.
There are awful lot of seemingly 'educated' people in Punjab who vote and support PMLN and they are mainly the types who benefit from their institutionalised corruption, nepotism, hefty bribe paying culture, death of merit and preferential treatment. They benefit from having some kind of network and connection with 'higher ups'. If you introduce a system of merit and depoliticized civil services and state departments - all these connections and networks go out of the window. Why would those people want a proper system when all their job can be done by calling this or that person who is associated with this or that powerful individual?
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That was the start. The evil of ethnic card created during that time, has now matured. Even PPP got more votes in Punjab then but could not form the government because of ISI involvement directly in the politics of Pakistan.
Oh I thought ISI was supporting PTI last time? What happened - where are their seats in Punjab? Cannt? Poor old useless ISI couldn't even get JC in PTI's favour.
So clearly this whole propoganda of ISI supporting PTI started by PPP Jiyalas was one of their usual lies and extention of their tanti Army rubbish.
Typical of PPP Sindh based Jiyalas to start spewing anti Punjabi crap whenever they get voted out of Punjab for their zero performance. Let Sindhis welcome an 'outisder' like Punjabis like they had welcomed Bhutto and his daughter. But let me guess....no outsider is ever good enough for Sindhis. Either it is a Sindhi leader or 'there is no alternative' excuse. KPK never had any real alternative either but they had always given different parties a chance.
Talk whatever crap you want to talk about Punjab - but Punjab had always been and still is a real battleground for political competition. Something you cannot say for Sindh.
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Three Different Constituencies
Three Different Tribunals
Thee Different Judges
But End Result is ONE
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Oh I thought ISI was supporting PTI last time? What happened - where are their seats in Punjab? Cannt? Poor old useless ISI couldn't even get JC in PTI's favour.
So clearly this whole propoganda of ISI supporting PTI started by PPP Jiyalas was one of their usual lies and extention of their tanti Army rubbish.
Typical of PPP Sindh based Jiyalas to start spewing anti Punjabi crap whenever they get voted out of Punjab for their zero performance. Let Sindhis welcome an 'outisder' like Punjabis like they had welcomed Bhutto and his daughter. But let me guess....no outsider is ever good enough for Sindhis. Either it is a Sindhi leader or 'there is no alternative' excuse. KPK never had any real alternative either but they had always given different parties a chance.
Talk whatever crap you want to talk about Punjab - but Punjab had always been and still is a real battleground for political competition. Something you cannot say for Sindh.
IK has been Taliban agent, Jew agent, American agent, ISI agent.
All at the same time.
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I am not justifying racism but giving you the ugly truth about punjabi racism. You may be shy or embarrassed to accept the facts. Can you deny the following facts? parhta ja aor sharmata ja
Comment: Villains of Habib Jalib by Shahzad Raza
Gen(r) Aslam Beg with Ghulam Ishaq Khan, Akram Zaki, Nawaz Sharif and Wasim Sajjad
“Dartay hain bandooqon walay aik nehatti larki say,” Habib Jalib wrote about the military’s fear of Benazir Bhutto. In 1988, when the revolutionary poet was in jail, the villains of his poems hatched yet another conspiracy.
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The Islami Jamhuri Ittehad (IJI) was in the making, and the house of Dr Sarfraz Mir in the affluent E-7 sector of Islamabad was frequented by those who made news and those who sought news. Army chief Gen (r) Mirza Aslam Beg and ISI director general Gen (r) Hamid Gul considered Benazir a security risk. They believed the rise of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) was detrimental to the country’s interests. Many were also scared the daughter of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto would take revenge.
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**There was no working relationship between Benazir Bhutto and the military top brass. She was considered a security risk - someone who must not have access to state secrets. The ISI dovecote was full of trained and untrained pigeons. Creating what many called an unholy alliance against the PPP was a piece of cake. Sindhi landlord Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi and Punjabi industrialist Mian Nawaz Sharif were two key players.
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The formation of the IJI was based on a one-point agenda - defeating the PPP in the general elections. Loyalties were sold, judges were hounded, and Habib Jalib wrote on.
Years later, the chief architect of the IJI Gen (r) Hamid Gul publicly admitted the role of spy agencies in cobbling together the anti-PPP alliance. But he was revealing a secret, not apologizing.
Foreign journalist Christina Lamb, who later wrote Waiting for Allah, was in Pakistan and had a good rapport with several top IJI players, especially Jatoi who was otherwise a reserved person.
**The People’s Party won the 1988 elections, and despite full-fledged support from the civil and military establishment, the IJI could only win a little more than 50 seats in the National Assembly. Many in the military were not ready to accept the bitter reality that they would have to salute to Benazir Bhutto. Habib Jalib was released, but his poems continued to be relevant. Jatoi was heading the IJI, but it was Nawaz Sharif who emerged as the most prominent leader of the alliance.
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**Elections for the provincial assemblies were held days later. After losing in the centre, the establishment was vying for Punjab to be able to sabotage the federal government.
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**“It’s not a matter of why or how, but when the military establishment would resort to its old tactics,” says Ayesha Siddiqa
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Hussain Haqqani - years away from his transformation - was among the architects of the nefarious Jag Punjabi Jag campaign against the PPP, invoking Punjabi ethnicity against a Sindhi prime minister.
Benazir Bhutto was a visionary. Soon after coming to power in December 1988, she constituted a commission headed by Air Chief Marshal Zulfiqar Ali Khan to investigate the role of intelligence agencies in politics. The commission took just three months to prepare a detailed report with recommendations. But the establishment prevailed and the recommendations were never implemented.
Benazir tried to neutralise the ISI’s influence in politics by appointing a trusted ex-army man, Gen (r) Shamsur Rehman Kallu. He faced the ire of the seniors and reportedly bypassed by his subordinates on numerous occasions.
**“The People’s Party was a force that could digress from the preset standards of the so-called national interest,” says analyst Ayesha Siddiqa, the author of Military Inc. “The military establishment was afraid of working with the PPP and it never reconciled with the reality.”
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**There was no working relationship between Benazir Bhutto and the military top brass. She was considered a security risk - someone who must not have access to state secrets. The elected prime minister was even denied entry into a premium nuclear research laboratory.
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**When the PPP government was sent home by then president Ghulam Ishaq Khan in 1990 and fresh elections were announced, Gen (r) Asad Durrani was heading the ISI. In the events that followed, a new player emerged - Younus Habib.
“People are mixing the Younus Habib case with Mehrangate. The money distributed among the politicians was not withdrawn from Mehran Bank. It came from the accounts of Habib Bank,” says senior journalist Amir Mateen.
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He also rejects the claim that it was Sindh chief minister Jam Sadiq who awarded Younus Habib the license to set up Mehran Bank in 1991. “The State Bank was under the federal government’s control. When it issued a license to Mehran Bank, the PML-N was in power,” he says.
The politicians accused of having received the money are in the denial mode. Those who rose to power and fame after the 1990 elections - considered one of Pakistan’s most rigged polls - included Nawaz Sharif.
Once on the opposition benches, Benazir paid Sharif back in the same coin. The dissolution of PML-N provincial government in the NWFP was one example of that. Besides, she used an MNA from the federally administered tribal areas to assuage then army chief Gen Asif Nawaz. At her behest, Aftab Sherpao and Farooq Leghari persuaded president Ghulam Ishaq Khan to dismiss the PML-N government prematurely, which he did. That allowed the PPP to come to power again in 1993.
Benazir did not take action against Younus Habib and his backers because she wanted the beneficiaries to be exposed, an insider says. Besides that, the generals were too strong to be charged.
Interior minister Naseerullah Babar dropped the Mehrangate bombshell in the National Assembly after he had obtained an affidavit from Gen Durrani that contained names of the politicians who had allegedly received money before the 1990 general elections. Durrani was made an ambassador.
**Eventually, Benazir’s trusted aide president Farooq Leghari betrayed her and dismissed her government. New elections were held in 1997 and Nawaz Sharif won with what was called a “heavy mandate”. After having tamed other state institutions, Nawaz Sharif underestimated the army’s reaction to the removal of Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf in October 1999. Nawaz landed in the Attock Fort prison. His Arab friends and US president Bill Clinton rescued him or he might have met the same fate as Zulfikar Ali Bhutto 20 years ago.
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As Gen (r) Ahmed Shuja Pasha retires and the ISI gets a new boss, it is hoped the spy agency would not meddle in political affairs.
**“I can assume that the new DG ISI would not be keen to intervene in national political affairs,” says Brig (r) Shaukat Qadir. He believes the role of the intelligence agencies in politics has been reduced significantly.
But Ayesha Siddiqa disagrees. “It’s not a matter of why or how, but when the military establishment would resort to its old tactics,” she says. “Power is a habit. You either you have it or you don’t.”
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Shahzad Raza is TFT special correspondent based in Islamabad. He can be reached at [EMAIL=“[email protected]”][email protected]