NA 151 — The Last Debacle

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You are probably right, it is easy to teach/educate someone, but it requires a miracle to provide eye-sight to a blind.

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There are few things to be considered here...

2008 elections were held in PML-Q (read Mushy) vs All ( PML-N, PPP etc) so as a result, PML-Q was out of power, but stil they manage some good number of votes and seats in NA... does that tell any thing to us??

Because 2012-1013 elections are going to be held this way, PPP + PML-Q vs PML-N vs PTI vs JUI-F vs JI

where we all know that there are some 20-30 seats where PPP can win easily and there are some 10-20 seats where PML-Q have good prospects, if we include the above equation in the picture, then the alliance of PML-Q and PPP can win some 25- 30 additional seats in the closely contested constituencies of Punjab...

Situation in Sindh is not good for PPP either, but if Bilawal Bhutto is brought forward in the elections, then no matter what NS do over there, he will not manage to win more than 10-15 seats...

The dynamics of Balochistan is totally different, sardars only think about their pockets so who ever pays them more, they are going to be in that party... KPK is not that different but there are some chances for PML-N and PTI there but those chances look slim in three-way fight,

The FATA members always joins the party which forms govt, same is true for MQM...

and if you add the number of Lotas and turncoats in it, PPP have 50% chance to form next govt, unless and otherwise some drastic shift in Politics happens, that in PML-Q leaves PPP and try to contest elections on their own or in alliance with PML-N..

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^ In most of Punjab, PMLQ was wiped out...PMLN and PPPP did some seat adjustments, otherwise in most of the country (including Punjab) all three parties contested against each other...

Pervaiz Ellahi was doing some very big jalsas before the elections and it seemed as if there would be a good fight between PMLQ and PMLN. But when the results started pouring in the trend was very astonishing...like on various polling stations the results would be PMLN 200 votes, PPP 100 votes and PMLQ 10 votes. The votes they got in most of the Punjab were not sufficient to damage PMLN's position. PMLQ got some seats in Southern Punjab, and that was due to strong candidates etc. (in those seats usually candidates matter more as compared to parties). Those kind of seats PMLN and PTI should do some seat adjustments, otherwise I dont see how PPP can win in Punjab. Will the people forgive them the load shedding, inflation and poor governance? Considering this government the previous one was much better and we know what happened in the end.

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The people who can not identify the difference between real and fake .
The persons who can even think about Imran as a leader
are deaf , dumb and blind .
Kisi banday day putar da sochna si . Hore koi naeen labhia .

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How many seats Does PML-Q won in 2008 elections for NA and PAs? the answer to that tells alot about if PML-Q was wiped out of elections in 2008 or not!

Do you remember the elections results of 1977, Bhutto nationalized everything, Pakistani economy was is bad position and PPP still won that elections despite the huge Jalsas of opposition, in Pakistani politics, speically in the electoral politics, nothing matters but the personal affiliation of the candidate or party to some extent...

Had this not been the case, and the elections would have been contested on purely performance base, why would IK will have all those lotas and lifafas in his pocket in the name of electables???

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sirf aap ke liye:


This guy still thinks PPP=Bhutto, now who is blind and who can differentiate from fake and real, its your call (and I already know the answer ;))

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Please write down your list of banday day putar for us so we can all see the “Leaders” who are not chosen by deaf dumb and blinds :hehe:

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Pmlq got 54 seats in the previous elections (they got seats in all provinces), and in Punjab they managed around 26 seats out of 148 and most of them in Gujarat, and south Punjab. New factors, challenges in next general elections | The Nation

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An Interesting point to note is that during the 2008 elections PPP got 14 seats in central Punjab (faisalabad, sargodha, okara and sahiwal) whereas PMLN got 5, and this is the area which the government punished the most with extra ordinary loadshedding both of electricity and gas.

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bunday da putar list: Rahman Malik, Yousuf Gillani, Raja Rental Ashraf, Babar Awan (who is now not-so-banday-da-putar)… basically anyone who is nincompoop, incompetent, lazy-bum, pro-corruption.

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I would rather prefer to be a deaf, dumb, and blind :bummer:

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You have put the entire cream of the nation in one list… :cb:

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The Election Commision’s failure in the NA-151 by-election Having observ­ed electi­ons in Pakist­an, abroad, I can confid­ently say the by-electi­on was worst since 2008 electi­ons.
By Sarwar Bari
Published: July 24, 2012

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The writer is social activist who heads the Pattan Development Organisation. The views expressed here are his own

Despite the Election Commission of Pakistan’s refusal to issue accreditation cards to the Free and Fair Election Network (FAFEN), our 42 observers managed to observe polling in 238 of 245 polling stations of NA 151 on July 19. I have observed elections in Pakistan and abroad many times and I can say with confidence that this by-election was the worst since the 2008 general elections.
Never before have I seen this kind of official complacency and the complete impunity with which both candidates and their supporters violated the Commission’s code of conduct. Keeping in view poor implementation of the code in the past, the Supreme Court had empowered the Election Commission (EC) to take preemptive measures to make elections free, fair and transparent. This code came into effect on June 27 after a landmark decision of the Supreme Court on June 9. A new important feature of the code of conduct is the deployment of a three-member monitoring team with one of the members being a professional cameraman to record any documentary evidence of irregularities and so on. In addition to this, each candidate is not to exceed the limit of election expenses of Rs1.5 million, and he or she must open a bank account, maintain it on a day-to-day basis and submit accounts to the District Returning Officer (DRO) every Thursday. Regarding publicity, the sizes of posters, hoardings, banners and leaflets have been fixed. Furthermore, the hoisting of flags, posters and banners on public property, wall chalkings, or the canvassing or exhibition of any sign, banner or flag designed to encourage the electors to vote has been prohibited within a radius of 400 yards of the polling station. The rule says: “Any violation of the code shall be considered as a corrupt practice under Section 78 of the said Act and will be punishable with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years or with fine which may extend to Rs5,000 or with both.”
I was cautiously excited about this and decided to monitor its implementation. In light of the new code, we developed a checklist in order to gauge the EC’s seriousness and approached the DRO. We requested him to share the names of the monitoring team and details of weekly expenses of contesting candidates with the public. The DRO flatly refused. I contacted the EC in Islamabad and was told to send a request through fax, which I did. I received no response. My excitement was over. Yet, it did not deter me from monitoring the process. The Pattan Development Organisation’s team visited the constituency, measured banners and hoardings of the candidates and took photographs of violations and sent them to the EC. Yet, there was no reaction. Polling day came with more shocks.
We met a supporter of the Gilani candidate while he was distributing lunch boxes to the polling staff and police officials. When I asked him how many lunch boxes he delivered at each polling station, he said 60 and each box cost Rs150. This means in total it might have cost the candidate more than Rs2 million to cover 245 polling stations. The presiding officer of this particular station and his staff were happily accepting the boxes. When I asked them was it right to accept favours from a candidate, they said they were hungry and the EC had not provided lunch. Moreover, for the last many days, advertisements of the candidates appeared on the front pages of leading Urdu newspapers and this must have been costly as well. At each of the polling stations that we went to, we saw with our own eyes that at least three wagons were being used to ferry voters. Hiring a wagon for one day and the fuel costs around Rs5,000 — and add all of this up and surely the amount being spent by each candidate must have been in excess of Rs1.5 million.
As for party paraphernalia, each candidate’s party flag and posters were found not only on wagons but also in public places in general, in particular, on the walls of the polling stations (so much for the 400-yard restriction).
We also saw polling agents sitting inside polling booths wearing their party’s and candidate’s badge. In one polling station, PS 64, Gilani’s election sticker was fixed on the ballot box. We took its photograph along with the polling staff. Beside this, at all the polling stations we visited, we saw dozens of party workers canvassing inside the premises. At Polling Station 47, when I asked the presiding officer about this, he said: “What is wrong with this?” And despite the day being a local holiday, construction machinery and labourers were seen in many places of the constituency building roads and laying drains. Local residents said that this work started only a few days back. There is no doubt that both the candidates violated the new code of conduct and it seems that the PPP candidate took the lead in this regard. And in all of this, we also cannot absolve the Election Commission of negligence. If the media and election monitors could see all the brazen violations why couldn’t the EC’s monitoring team, or the DRO? Despite having magisterial powers, no presiding officer was interested in pulling up the violators. Rather, when we brought some of the violations to their notice, they would either ignore us or pretend to be ignorant. Instead of asserting the writ of the law, they provided a level playing field to both candidates — to violate the election code with impunity.
Clearly, both candidates, Shaukat Bosan and Abdul Qadir Gilani, realised that the stakes — a seat in the National Assembly were too high and the risk of being caught red-handed was never going to be very high. For ordinary voters, these rules deny them a chance of milking the rich. They know polling is the only opportunity to gain some benefits for their communities and this means that the higher the degree of violation of the election code by a candidate, the greater the likelihood of his victory.
That said, the taking over of the Election Commission on July 23 by Fakhruddin G Ibrahim has given some hope to the public. The best way to establish the independence and writ of the Commission would be to investigate violations of the new code in the NA 151 by-election.
Published in The Express Tribune, July 25[SUP]th[/SUP], 2012

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Where is my post ?

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Here:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/333767-na-55-bye-elections-sheikh-rasheed-is-in-the-race-12.html

“…he PML N has won the election so it is their achievement.
How. this is yet a question who live outside Pindi.
Simple answer
Often by-election is won by the ruling party because they can focus their sources at one point.
And this election has become a matter of their future.
So they used every source and won.
Sheikh could not meet anyone in hideout who are real power so he lost.**
Zia kay bachay jeet gaiay Musharraf ka dost har gaia-…”**

Except this time, Malik Riaz ka dost jeet gaya.

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Thanks for sharing, two years ago APs posts seemquite different as compared to now

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^ AP is as good an asset to the PA, as Zardari to Pakistan :smiley:

By the way, AP ko agar reverse meiN likheiN to PA banta hey…yani Pakistan Affairs…
beirra hi gharq ho gaya sarey pakistani affairs ka :smack:

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Thank you for your work .
PML N is ruling in Punjab .
Election held under the PML N administration
They supported Bosan
But the Both failed and PPP won .
I was right than and now too .

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And tomorrow too...and always...just like your party...always right. Right? :@:

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You want me to believe that federal government did not use any state resources to help Bunny? chorain sir ji!!!!!