Myth of hiding behind civilians

Nazis always have excuse for every messacre they commit. Just to put a few. Sabra and Shatila were mistake. So was demolition of UN compound. Gaza killings were done by “them”, you know, the Palestinians themselves (sigh).
And now suddenly Nazis realized that Hezbollah soldiers are actually firing from behind civilians. Oh the callousness!

https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/5021/index.php

The “hiding among civilians” myth
Israel claims it’s justified in bombing civilians because Hezbollah mingles with them. In fact, the militant group doesn’t trust its civilians and stays as far away from them as possible.

By Mitch Prothero

Jul. 28, 2006 |

Throughout this now 16-day-old war, Israeli planes high above civilian areas make decisions on what to bomb. They send huge bombs capable of killing things for hundreds of meters around their targets, and then blame the inevitable civilian deaths – the Lebanese government says 600 civilians have been killed so far – on “terrorists” who callously use the civilian infrastructure for protection.

But this claim is almost always false. My own reporting and that of other journalists reveals that in fact Hezbollah fighters – as opposed to the much more numerous Hezbollah political members, and the vastly more numerous Hezbollah sympathizers – avoid civilians. Much smarter and better trained than the PLO and Hamas fighters, they know that if they mingle with civilians, they will sooner or later be betrayed by collaborators – as so many Palestinian militants have been.

For their part, the Israelis seem to think that if they keep pounding civilians, they’ll get some fighters, too. The almost nightly airstrikes on the southern suburbs of Beirut could be seen as making some sense, as the Israelis appear convinced there are command and control bunkers underneath the continually smoldering rubble. There were some civilian casualties the first few nights in places like Haret Hreik, but people quickly left the area to the Hezbollah fighters with their radios and motorbikes.

But other attacks seem gratuitous, fishing expeditions, or simply intended to punish anything and anyone even vaguely connected to Hezbollah. Lighthouses, grain elevators, milk factories, bridges in the north used by refugees, apartment buildings partially occupied by members of Hezbollah’s political wing – all have been reduced to rubble.


Although Israel targets apartments and offices because they are considered “Hezbollah” installations, the group has a clear policy of keeping its fighters away from civilians as much as possible. This is not for humanitarian reasons – they did, after all, take over an apartment building against the protests of the landlord, knowing full well it would be bombed – but for military ones.

“You can be a member of Hezbollah your entire life and never see a military wing fighter with a weapon,” a Lebanese military intelligence official, now retired, once told me. “They do not come out with their masks off and never operate around people if they can avoid it. ]b]They’re completely afraid of collaborators. They know this is what breaks the Palestinians – no discipline and too much showing off.”**

Perhaps once a year, Hezbollah will hold a military parade in the south, in which its weapons and fighters appear. Media access to these parades is tightly limited and controlled. Unlike the fighters in the half dozen other countries where I have covered insurgencies, Hezbollah fighters do not like to show off for the cameras. In Iraq, with some risk taking, you can meet with and even watch the resistance guys in action. (At least you could during my last time there.) In Afghanistan, you can lunch with Taliban fighters if you’re willing to walk a day or so in the mountains. In Gaza and the West Bank, the Fatah or Hamas fighter is almost ubiquitous with his mask, gun and sloganeering to convince the Western journalist of the justice of his cause.

The Hezbollah guys, on the other hand, know that letting their fighters near outsiders of any kind – journalists or Lebanese, even Hezbollah supporters – is stupid. In three trips over the last week to the south, where I came near enough to the fighting to hear Israeli artillery, and not just airstrikes, I saw exactly no fighters. Guys with radios with the look of Hezbollah always found me. But no fighters on corners, no invitations to watch them shoot rockets at the Zionist enemy, nothing that can be used to track them.

Every other journalist I know who has covered Hezbollah has had the same experience. A fellow journalist, a Lebanese who has covered them for two decades, knows only one military guy who will admit it, and he never talks or grants interviews. All he will say is, “I’ll be gone for a few months for training. I’ll call when I’m back.” Presumably his friends and neighbors may suspect something, but no one says anything.

Hezbollah’s political members say they have little or no access to the workings of the fighters. This seems to be largely true: While they obviously hear and know more than the outside world, the firewall is strong.

Israel, however, has chosen to treat the political members of Hezbollah as if they were fighters. And by targeting the civilian wing of the group, which supplies much of the humanitarian aid and social protection for the poorest people in the south, they are targeting civilians.

As we drive south toward Tyre, we soon pass a new series of scars on the highway: shrapnel, hubcaps and broken glass. A car that had been maybe five minutes ahead of us was hit by an Israeli shell. Three of its passengers were wounded, and it was heading north to the Hammound hospital at Sidon. We turned around because of the attack and followed the car to Sidon. Those unhurt staked out the parking lot of the hospital, looking for the Western journalists they were convinced had called in the strike. Luckily my Iraqi fixer smelled trouble and we got out of there. Probably nothing would have happened – mostly they were just freaked-out country people who didn’t like the coincidence of an Israeli attack and a car full of journalists driving past.

So the analysts talking on cable news about Hezbollah “hiding within the civilian population” clearly have spent little time if any in the south Lebanon war zone and don’t know what they’re talking about. Hezbollah doesn’t trust the civilian population and has worked very hard to evacuate as much of it as possible from the battlefield. And this is why they fight so well – with no one to spy on them, they have lots of chances to take the Israel Defense Forces by surprise, as they have by continuing to fire rockets and punish every Israeli ground incursion.

And the civilians? They see themselves as targeted regardless of their affiliation. They are enraged at Israel and at the United States, the only two countries on earth not calling for an immediate cease-fire. Lebanese of all persuasions think the United States and Israel believe that Lebanese lives are cheaper than Israeli ones. **And many are now saying that they want to fight. **

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Sabra and Shatilla was a Christian Crime not a Israeli one

try again, Prince Abbas or your have forgotten that empty rhetoric without proof maybe enough to convince madrassa bred jihadists but not highly educated intellecutals

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What was the difference?

Now either get back to topic, or return back to your Nazi utopia.

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So if the US and Russia had gone to war, do you suppose the Russians would have spared Washington because the politicians did good stuff for people?

Bull crap.

The first missle would have been aimed at the White House.

The "political" wings of Hamas and Hezbullah buy support. They are the money. They do things that legitimate governments should do but can't. Then they expect support when they engage in their fanatical violent agendas because they filled basic needs of people. Then they think that one degree of separation, a fictious Chinese Wall will protect them in a war? Sure.

Kill them and start over.

And if they have removed the civilians, my money is on the Jews... Given an open enviornment firepower rules.

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sure there is

you are blaming israel for something that they didnt do

and it was christian arabs who killed the people at sabra and shatilla

and yet were those christians ever prosecuted?

no, because they are arabs

now who is living in a utopia

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Look what they done. Nazis just shi*t all over this place. uff, the stinking smell!

So since Hezbollah’s political wing supports Hezbollah fighters, they are justified targets of Nazi aggression.
In other words, Nazis find it ok to kill anyone who even SUPPORTS Hezbollah.

Someone not being a fighter IS a civilian, IRRESPECTIVE of his support.

Nazis just shi*t out on their own that they would kill anyone who even supports Hezbollah, even if not a soldier.

Next Nazis should tell us what they think of the Reich’s residents who support their army which then kill women and children.


In the end, thanks for our Nazi “friends” to letting us know that they justify killing civilians. They have only been giving excuses.

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your posts stink more

because hezbollah is a brutal terrorist organization which needs to be wiped out from the planet

just like a cancer which infects a human body, surgeons just dont go after the cancer but areas where cancer growth might occur and neutralize it.

you would still complain even if all the people dead in lebanon were Facist Hezbollah Terrorists

since Israel never kills innocent civilians on purpose your argument is negated

but your Facist Terrorists Hezbollah deliberately target Jews and apologize if the bombs kill Arab Israelis

Talk about being Racists

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hizbollah are extremists, I guess israeli govt is at par then.
but then that goes back, someone had posted select quotes by israeil leaders generation after generation.

I cant stand israeili govt just like i cant stand these militant groups..

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so extremists mean terrorists??..my beloved american,hizbollah also have sunnis and christians with them…so how can they r extremists or terrorists??..they r bravely defending their land and u r calling them extremists…haha..ignorance at its peak…infact extremism has been shown by the people of ur category who dont understand the problems of people…beac of secular extremists like u,we muslims always remained busy in talway chaatna of america and busy building night clubs rather then strenthning army…
just tell me one thing my beloved friend,y hamas and hizbollah enjoy massive public support??..please answer this…

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Any proof? Or more moronic rantings from a person who lies about knowing Lebanese people?

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just like a cancer which infects a human body
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then you must have brain cancer.

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since Israel never kills innocent civilians on purpose your argument is negated
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another moronic statement without proof from the brain cancer patient.

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mercenary:

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since Israel never kills innocent civilians on purpose your argument is negated
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Smoking pot again, kid?

Read what your fellow Nazi said about killing of Hezbollah supporters right in this thread.

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Abbas, even potheads have more intelligence than merc.

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*Guys, please refrain from personal attacks *

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I've read articles that claim this is ethocide, that Israel is just trying to kill off as many Lebonese and as many Muslims as they can. They're bombing homes, roads, airports, innocent children. It's so screwed up. And now there is no ceasefire. Israel just keeps moving the ground troops in further and further. Because they say it's part of a larger plan they have.

Now there's an oil spill almost as large as the Exxon disaster. So all of this stuff was just 'OOps, we're trying to get Hezbollah". I somehow don't think any of it is accidental, even the killing of children and women.

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yeah, it’s a myth. Now how do those 14 year old Palestinian boys get killed?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/080601mideast/im:/060808/481/fc374e90424f4418a7960b61d9d66ab6

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Now how do all of those 14 year old Palestinian boys die again?

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/080601mideast/im:/060808/481/fc374e90424f4418a7960b61d9d66ab6

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So tell me again how all those 14 year old boys die?