Part 2
Claim 10: In old ages magician used to show events of past and far flung places on magic crystal ball. and people believed it was magic. Now we see the same thing on our tv sets, but we dont consider it magic, because it makes sense to us. People with limited exposure, knowledge and understanding can still see the television set as magic crystal ball.
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Truly magic is illusion and illusion is deception, which can only work by distraction. Magic is a science of deception. In the least form it is performed to entertain people, in the worst form it is performed to control people. Miracle should not be confused for magic. Miracle is undertaken either for protection or for dawah. Every deception is based on lie and miracle is truth. Should there be any opposite to magic it will be miracle. I must have a limited understanding because it is true I do see the TV as a magic box, but I do not hold any trust in it. That is the distinction we should be talking about. Did you know Hollywood comes from the phrase Holy Wood? It is classically the material used to make the staff of wizards. So the American film industry is based on this concept of magic. Yet, some have taken their stories – their lies and superimposed them on our precious historical documentaries of historical religious persons.
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I have the following understanding of prophet Jesus's (pbuh) life story.
The story of his birth is mentioned in Sura Mariyam. Here is my take on this :
When Hazrat Mariyam went to distanct place,
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Be careful not to belie our muttawatir traditions of the life of Maryam (AS). When she was visited by Angel Jibreel (AS) she was in I’tekaf. She was in seclusion and within the walls of a temple. To assert that she went to a distant place before conception is a hoax.
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She encountered a member of some advanced civilization, who was visiting earth at that time.
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According to the Qur’an which you have conveniently sidelined the person was none other than Angel Jibreel (AS) who was sent on the bidding of Allah (SWT) to breathe over Maryam (AS); i.e. to carry the command of God – ‘Be’ and condense this over her thus she became pregnant with Isa (AS). There is no record of a whole civilization that she (AS) encountered and no record of them every arriving. How convenient is it that she had to travel away from society so that there were no witnesses to this event? Rather you seem after more than 2000 years to be the only person who testifies to this.
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He infused an embryo in her body without getting into any form of physical contact with her. Most probably he did due to direct intution from God Almighty.
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To assume that an embryo was used in the “Immaculate Conception” you have stumbled big time. It is partly because it is clear that your understanding of matters scientific is limited. To assume that an embryo was used you have deal with the question, who was the genetic father? You have to deal with the notion whether the female component was or was not her own. Another interesting point is that you treat the embryo insertion as though it is a fact again not substantiated with material evidence and then in the following sentence you say ‘probably’ and something about direct intuition from God. Your statement carries more belief about the embryo than the intuition from God. Not only does this speak volumes about how you are handling ‘belief’ but also at the same time you are attempting to mix your theories with truth from scripture.
And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know (it). Qur’an 2:42 (Shakir translation)
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The boy started talking to people , as he was built on a different DNA model , which was far more advanced than human model.
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DNA has nothing to do with how quickly people develop the art of speech. This is comic book stuff bro! If his DNA was different then how did his mother give birth to him? He is from her blood … her DNA. The rest is primed with male genetics not dissimilar to that of Adam (AS). Both were created. He was a human. He was not and advanced life form as you attest because that would make it very difficult for Maryam (AS) to conceive him because even today we do not have the technology to impregnate two different species in those days they did not have even basic embryology understanding. Please explain how a ‘cow’ can give birth to a ‘dolphin’? So why assert that a human is giving birth to a more advanced entity? To assert time travellers or aliens came to do the business is putting a lie on the Maryam (AS). So many breaches have been made. The purpose of her to be in seclusion was to emphasise her piety, but you have removed that from her by making her travel to a distant land. You have taken away the idea that Maryam (AS) was untouched, but rather seeded by someone else’s DNA. You have made absurd claims only to bring down the concept of miracle to a platform that your personal rationale agrees with, even if it does mean to develop a completely new belief in alien intervention. The worst thing that you have done is to belie the narration in the Qur’an. Either you are saying the author of Qur’an is mistaken or is giving us false information. A’udzubillah.
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The child recieved intution from God Almighty as well as the species he belonged to. The civilization which he belonged was very pious and very technically far more advanced than mankind at that time.
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Again this notion is absurd, because it contradicts the scripture and hence the meaning of it too. Why would some other ‘race’ of intelligent being lie to us about who they were, only tell you about their true nature – thus making you a prophet, and let everyone know for 2000 years that some other story is true, making Muhammad (SAW) seem like he had no true knowledge because his (SAW) version is like the version of the Christians, and furthermore you can still call such a deceptive ‘race’ of people …. ‘very pious’? Please read that ayat 2:42 again and in addition understand another statement in the Qur’an. He (Muhammad (SAW)) does not keep to himself of the unseen. Which means he discloses the whole truth as he knew it. Those people who keep some of the truth back are evil and impious. So your claims to modify and rationalise your belief of things that go beyond your understanding actually compromise the ethics and principles of good and evil. A fallacy that you have made in this claim is that you are assuming technical advancement is related to evolutionary advancement. There is no basis for this either. Humanity is becoming technologically advanced every minute, but we have genetically remained the same since we can identify our oldest specimens, any older than that it is even suspect whether those creatures were ‘humans’ at all. It does not matter how advanced an entity is genetically as long as they are capable of making ‘choice’ freely then they are subject to the laws of good and evil and hence judgement. Which means it is essential that those prophets who came to us by obligation need to be from us. Or else we can argue with God on Judgement Day … “but those people You sent were genetically advantaged we were weak …. Let us off!” … NO! It becomes a mockery of religion to believe your version.
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Those missing years of life about which there is no record available, he might have visited his native land and people ... and learned to heal nasty ilnesses, whether spritual or physical. He treated mankind after returning back to earth. He gathered followers, taught them wisdom and good manner. Jews/roman tried prosecute him, unjustly
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This is all the same unsubstantiated banter. He was endowed with wisdom and knowledge from birth by claiming he needed to learn things is actually bordering the popular view of Jesus (AS) amongst those people who believe in the bloodline of Jesus (AS) and the idea that he has already died on Earth. And even is he did learn how to heal, how would you explain that healing without devices or machines or equipment is possible? If it is linked with using the brain, then you are giving more ‘power’ to Jesus (AS) than he or anyone else deserves. All Jesus (AS) used to do was du’a and then pass on the message of faith and he said many times that ‘faith has healed you’ and he used to praise Allah (SWT). He was asked about how he managed to walk on water (this is in hadith) and the reply he gave was based on ‘belief’ alone. So either he lied about how he did it or you are mistaken about how he learned skills to heal. Choose one. Furthermore he taught his followers how to supplicate to Allah (SWT) in earnestness. And they too began to heal, so it could not have anything to do with his genetic makeup either as his human followers were doing the same.
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He was beamed back to his native planet and lived (or is living) rest of his life there
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Again no mention of planet exists in scripture and your view of creation is seemingly limited in the physical domain. Barzakh, and other domains of existence are not 100% physical so the idea of someone going to another planet does not do any favours to the Majesty of God. However, belief in Him in his Power to manifest from the perceptibly impossible is what we mean by true belief in Allah (SWT)- in the ghaib. | For the next sections my answers will be more brief in bold below*|
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This is from Sura Hijr , Chapter 15 of holy quran
As per general understanding these 'guests of Ibrahim' are considered angels, most likely 2 in number. I dispute that notion. I believe they were our friends from outer space.
I have my reasons for such belief.
- These people are reffered as 'guests' , and then 'messengers' If you read this chapter from begining there is mention of angels. Notice the different words used in different tales.
pointless observation
- Notice the words uttered by prophet Ibrahim (pbuh)"He said: Surely we are afraid of you." It appears that these two gentlemen were wearing some smart dresses or their physical features were some what different that normal human beings
The fear was due to them not eating, not due to the way they were dressed, USResident and AQ have answered at length
- it appears that these people offered same treatment to prophet ibrahim's wife as was rendered to Hazrat Mariyam later on.
Isa (AS) had no father, but you are suggesting that Ibrahim (AS) is not the genetic father of Ishaac? A’udzubillah! You will need to modify this claim.
Notice the similar expression uttered by prophet lut (pbuh)
"He said: Surely you are an unknown people."
Both prophets of Allah found these people somewhat strange, and unknown. And Allah has recorded their unfamilarity with these people in holy quran. I believe there he is trying to tell us some thing. Prophets usually are quite familliar with angels.
This just means that he (AS) has not seen them before
The people of town were homosexual and they got the news of these visiting strange ( maybe beautiful ) people. Notice the warning and then plea of Prophet lut, for saving his honourable guest from ignorant and evil people of the town who came with bad intentions.
If they were angels then prophet lut must have known that people of the town can not harm them at all. But on the contrary Prophet lut , sternly warned them to back off , and even offered his daughters to save his guests from nasty people of the town.
Later the town was destroyed by these 'guests' after sending prophet and his follower to far off place.
*You are confused about this story … Angels come unto Lut (AS) as men, then he does not recognise them, they in Surah hijr Ayat 63, the ‘that which they have been doubting refers to the torment’ because the people of Sodom were in doubt of Lut (AS) warnings. At this stage he knew that they were angels. The angels order Lut (AS) to flee the area while they prepare to destroy it. News of the arrival of visitors spread in the town and they came up to the house of Lut (AS). Before they could address them they were warned by Lut (AS) not to do or say anything disgraceful or shameful because he hoped (he might have a chance with his people), but they ignored him and further told him off for trying to take the honour of hosting the guests, who he knew were actually angels disguised as men. Lut (AS) tried very hard to stop them in their evil acts especially when the angels were there, he even offered his daughters in marriage to them, so he tried to save till the last moment, but they partied and did their shameful things and the angels turned in to weapons of God and levelled that town. *
You are raising the objection as if Hazrat Suleman was the first prophet who was sent to this world and he actually did not belong here
Let me remind you that According to your belief and belief of 3 billion people living on planet earth, Prophet Adam, the first prophet of Allah was not a native of this world !
Allah created Adam and he lived in heaven for unknown time and then he was sent to earth.
Do we agree that heaven <> earth ( heaven and earth are two different entities according to scriptures and your belief)
So this means earth was an adopted home for prophet adam as he was sent here by Allah from somewhere else.
^ The same thing i am saying about prophet Suleman
The rest is repeating what has been said earlier .. below is evidence in the Qur’an that prophets are men. To re-emphasise messengers can be men or angels
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YUSUFALI: "Our Lord! send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall rehearse Thy Signs to them and instruct them in scripture and wisdom, and sanctify them: For Thou art the Exalted in Might, the Wise."
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YUSUFALI: **Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when **He sent among them a messenger from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of Allah, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error.
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YUSUFALI: To the Thamud People (We sent) Salih, one of their own brethren. He said: "O my people! Worship Allah: ye have no other god but Him. It is He Who hath produced you from the earth and settled you therein: then ask forgiveness of Him, and turn to Him (in repentance): for my Lord is (always) near, ready to answer."
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YUSUFALI: To the 'Ad people, (We sent) Hud, one of their (own) brethren: He said: O my people! worship Allah! ye have no other god but Him will ye not fear (Allah)?"
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YUSUFALI: The leaders of the Unbelievers among his people said: "Ah! we see thou art an imbecile!" and "We think thou art a liar!"
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YUSUFALI: He said: "O my people! I am no imbecile, but (I am) a messenger from the Lord and Cherisher of the worlds!
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YUSUFALI: We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."
(The parables are for humanity how they mean anything to us if these people were not like us?)
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YUSUFALI: **Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."
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YUSUFALI: O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): for Allah ever watches over you.
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YUSUFALI: It is He Who created you from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her (in love). When they are united, she bears a light burden and carries it about (unnoticed). When she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah their Lord, (saying): "If Thou givest us a goodly child, we vow we shall (ever) be grateful."
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YUSUFALI: When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and Allah knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."
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YUSUFALI: And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.
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YUSUFALI: "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
(some people are from the family of these prophets (AS), are you saying some of us have alien DNA?)