Just the other day this Israeli man told me that muslims are wife beaters. What do you say to that? sigh
Dear Nadia,
Here is the link address, please type it on the address bar of your browser and hopefully that will solve the problem. Remember to add www. at the beginning of it.
telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;sessionid=M1MZCBT4C0TD1QFIQMFCM5WAVCBQYJVC?xml=/opinion/2004/07/13/do1302.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=30802
And here is what it says;
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Blunkett's ban will fan the flames
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 13/07/2004)
A couple of years back, I mentioned the fatwa against Salman Rushdie and received a flurry of lively e-mails. It was Valentine's Day 1989, you'll recall, when the Ayatollah Khomeini issued his extraterritorial summary judgment on a British subject, and shortly thereafter large numbers of British Muslims were marching through English cities openly calling for Rushdie to be killed.
A reader in Bradford recalled asking a West Yorkshire officer on the street that day why the various "Muslim community leaders" weren't being arrested for incitement to murder. The officer said they'd been told to "play it cool". The calls for blood got more raucous. My correspondent asked his question again. The policeman told him to "F--- off, or I'll arrest you."
Isn't that pretty much how it's likely to go once David Blunkett's new protection for Islam is in place? If you're the "moderate" Imam Yusuf al-Qaradawi, you'll be invited to speak at the "Our Children Our Future" conference sponsored and funded by the Metropolitan Police and the Department for Work and Pensions. But, if you express concern about ol' Mullah Moderate, an Islamic lobby group will file an official complaint about you.
Indeed, after Sir John Stevens, Met commissioner and event co-sponsor, said he didn't want his officers on the same stage as the imam, the Muslim Association of Britain filed an official complaint about his comments. By the time you read this, Sir John might have already called for himself to be investigated by a Royal Commission and found guilty of systemic Islamophobia.
As for "Our Children Our Future", when it comes to children, the imam certainly has the future all mapped out: as he has said, "Israelis might have nuclear bombs but we have the children bomb and these human bombs must continue until liberation." Thank heaven for little girls, they blow up in the most delightful way.
If an Anglican Bishop were to commend a career as a suicide bomber to his Sunday school charges, you'd certainly hope to be free to question his judgment on the matter. Not that Anglican bishops ever say such things, of course. They're lost in anguished debate on whether they should just have celibate gay deans in long-term relationships or go for full-blown robustly active gay bishops, and all the thanks they get for their painful efforts to keep up with the times is wholesale public mockery of Christianity up and down the land - i.e. my old friend Alistair Beaton's satirical Iraq-war song, We're Sending You a Cluster Bomb From Jesus.
Meanwhile, Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the Western world, but Blunkett wants us to pretend that it's a wee delicate bloom which has to be sheltered from anything unpleasant. The other week, the governor of one of those Nigerian states that now lives under sharia called for the burning of all Christian churches within his jurisdiction. Every Friday, on state TV and radio throughout the Arab world and in mosques somewhat closer to home, the A-list imams call for the killing of Jews and infidels. Well, good luck to them. But, if they can dish it out so enthusiastically, couldn't they learn to take it just an eensy-teensy-weensy bit?
One of the reasons Arab nations are in the state they're in is because of the inability to discuss Islam honestly. I was in Amman for the Jordanian election last year and one of the things you notice is that, although the city does a reasonable impression of a modern dynamic capital and its press is, by the standards of the region, free-ish, its stunted political culture is subordinate to its religious culture. That's why, for example, Article 340 of the Jordanian Penal Code - which effectively licenses "honour killings" - always gets renewed when it comes up in parliament.
That's another reason the British Government should not be in the business of helping coercive lobby groups further stifle debate. Islam raises political questions that Judaism or Buddhism don't - the suggestion, for example, that Muslim women should be exempt from the requirement to be photographed on national identity cards. Without Blunkett's law, there'll be the odd crusty type from the shires huffing on BBC phone-ins that if Muslim women think it's insulting to be made to remove their hejab for ID cards, they should bloody well have thought about that before moving to Britain.
With Blunkett's law, we'll discuss such questions, if at all, between tightly imposed government constraints explicitly favouring one party to the dispute. I know which one of those options any self-respecting liberal democracy ought to prefer.
In The River War (1899), Winston Churchill's account of the Sudanese campaign, there's a memorable passage which I reproduce here while I'm still able to:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
Is that grossly offensive to Muslims? Almost certainly. Is it also a rather shrewd and pertinent analysis by one of Britain's most eminent leaders? I think so. If Blunkett bans the sentiments in that first sentence, the sentiments of the last will prove even more pertinent.
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Regards and all the best
Chanji, this is why they say not to trust everything on Internet…here is the actual release from the MUHAJIROUN.COM
*RALLY FOR ISLAM IX
Islam – The Future for Britain
TRAFALGAR SQUARE - 25th July 2004 - 12pm to 6pm
Do not miss the annual Rally for Islam this year, which will once again witness many non-Muslims: previously Jews, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Atheists, Socialists etc…giving up their false beliefs and ideologies in order to embrace Islam openly and publicly.
Debates and Discussions on the inimitability of the Qur’an and the finality of the Message (of Islam) from God through the Messenger Muhammad (saw) will be held, with an invitation for all present to either refute Islam or accept its superiority.
The Square will also host a number of Marquees presenting various aspects of Islam such as its unique economic system able to solve the problems of inflation, the hoarding of wealth and the fair distribution of resources - Islam’s unique social system which eradicates the exploitation of the sexes and eliminates promiscuity, pornography and sexual deviancy and Islam’s ruling system based upon the concept of sovereignty for Allah alone, where man is not a dictator (like Bush or Blair) but rather God’s trustee on Earth managing mankind’s affairs according to God’s infallible law…etc…
If there are any other non-Muslims or Recent converts to Islam interested in declaring their Shahadah [Declaration of Islamic Faith] publicly before thousands of witnesses, then please contact us. *
What is the difference you ask, do you see there is no direct converstaion or invitation to hinuds or sikhs in this press release…hmmm so either it was added by mistake on jihadunspun.com or its a misinformation campaign and is a blatant lie. You decide.
Also,there is a huge diffrence between reports from BBC…one of the credible news agency as compared to some Sna Francisco Islam hater’s website.
I hope that this little information will help the readers decide for themselves if they should believe info on Internet or not.
Excerpts from ChannMahi post article,
‘The British public will once again witness many non-Muslims: previously Jews, Christians, Hindus & Sikhs (idol worshippers), Atheists, Socialists etc giving up their false beliefs and ideologies in order to embrace the divine way of life which Islam offers to them openly and publicly.’
Here no one pays attention that it is very simple for Islamic media to abuse all other religions, as false beliefs.
May be the BNP leader meant such attacks for the word ‘rape’.
And how will you interpret this threat?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_891646,00050004.htm
Al-Qaeda threatens bloodbath if Italy keeps Berlusconi as PM
Agence France-Presse
Dubai, July 17
A statement posted on an Islamist Website purporting to be from Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda network threatened Italy with a 9/11-style bloodbath if it kept Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in power.
“Either you junk the incompetent Berlusconi or we will really burn Italy,” the statement warned.
“We are in Italy. None of you is safe. As long as you refuse the offer put forward by our Sheikh (Bin Laden), we are going to make good our threats. A bloodbath like that of September 11 (2001) awaits you.”
One thing more I’d like to add is that its not the Muslims who are always doing the wrong things. However, when a muslim is found in s’thing it is assosiated with islam. Take the example of “oklahoma incident” in s’where 90s. Before the actual criminal was arrested it was thought that “Muslim Terrorists” had done it. As soon as the person who did it was found and know that he was not muslim did you ever here it was a “xyz [religion] terrorist”?
^ they will usualy say it was a bad apple a one off.
But with muslims they usually do a blanket statement and label the entire population.
anjjan, dont get your panties in a bunch my friend, key words in your post are *purporting to be *. Ponder on those for a moment and we will discuss further.
Yes AK, But with muslims they usually do a blanket statement and label the entire population.
Why they blame Muslims and find reasons with Islam?
Islamic militants find justification in religious texts, they get direct or indirect support among Muslims and in Islamic media.
When Islamic militants blow up the public area and justify it thru religious scriptures, Islam does not remain your copy right.
They do not make blanket statements, they have reasons.
Kaleem, sir, sorry for hurting you! Next time I will see if can held up the truth.
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Yes AK, But with muslims they usually do a blanket statement and label the entire population.
Why they blame Muslims and find reasons with Islam?
Islamic militants find justification in religious texts, they get direct or indirect support among Muslims and in Islamic media.
When Islamic militants blow up the public area and justify it thru religious scriptures, Islam does not remain your copy right.
They do not make blanket statements, they have reasons.
Kaleem, sir, sorry for hurting you! Next time I will see if can held up the truth.
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Anjjan there is war against islam the media aswell as the government they will find any quote from internet and label muslims wholesale with this source.
You have hindu extremists who have destroyed mosques who have huge support from other hindus within India and also in Europe and amerikka because i have met these fanatics face to face such as Hindu world council, so do not try and portray islam as extremism when you have much worse problems in your own back yard!
There is no scourge in the world today as large as that of Islamic Extremism. Being an ostrcih doesn't make that go away. That is a simple and painful fact that we must live with, endure to a degree and eradicate as soon as possible.
Without a doubt Amerikka along with its right wing extremist supporters are more dangerous and have made the world a more dangerous place!
The sooner they are evicted from middle east and other places the better for the rest of the world!
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Anjjan there is war against islam the media aswell as the government they will find any quote from internet and label muslims wholesale with this source.
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You have hindu extremists who have destroyed mosques who have huge support from other hindus within India and also in Europe and amerikka because i have met these fanatics face to face such as Hindu world council, so do not try and portray islam as extremism when you have much worse problems in your own back yard!
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Dear AK,
you want to say that Hindus are terrorists? Do you know that Hindu religion has a concept of ‘Dharmayudhh’, of holy war absolutely equivalent to the Jihad. And God offers the same rewards to the fellow ‘Dharmayodhha’, as to your Jihadi.
How many Hindus you find day and night making shouts of ‘Dharmayudhh’, ready to die for ‘Dharmayudhh’ or if there is any website making calls for ‘Dharmayudhh’?
How many worship temples Hindus have destroyed? One disputed structure against thousands odds. Muslims do not let Hindus build a temple of their own choice in India.
May be this, the BNP leader meant the word ‘rape’ of culture, peace, and harmony.
Ak, your so called leaders and religious leaders have created a phobia sense in the Muslim mind that all world is against Muslims.
The problem with you is that you never try to find fault in your setup, religious and political, and are habitually busy in looking for enemies all the time.
//i feel so sick, almost like throwing up subsequent to reading some of the comments made by BNP leader Nick Griffin.//
Wonderful Nadia, You feel like throwing up when you read the comments made by BNP leaders.
I dont understand what stops you from throwing up about the rally for RALLY FOR ISLAM X ISLAM THE FUTURE FOR BRITAIN...
The article brazenly says that Sikhism and hinduism is nonsense. You have no qualms about the same. The rally is being in UK. Can you imagine a reverse rally happening in Saudi Arabia (or the so called Islamic countries). Some idiots having a rally in Sausi Arabia saying that Islam is junk.
and you say that there is no freedom in UK.
You feel overtly hurty whenever you feel somebody has slighted you.