Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
What's wrong with the Prophet being romantic? Not manly enough for you egoistic testosterone pumped *&%& ?
Hm?
not really although there is much wrong with the way you question people when you dont understand them.
there is level hayaa that is appreciated (mind not mandatory) in islam. When you respect someone, or put them up on a pedestal you just grow hesitant using certain words. Its a personal thing.Every body necessarily doesnt shy away from speaking thus. Doesnt lessen their level of respect, just shows the difference between how two people choose to show it.
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
lajo wen i referred to sunni books, i meant i read only those i have no idea how shia have written these incident in their books.so i hope that this doesnt turn into a sect thing here.
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
not really although there is much wrong with the way you question people when you dont understand them.
there is level hayaa that is appreciated (mind not mandatory) in islam. When you respect someone, or put them up on a pedestal you just grow hesitant using certain words. Its a personal thing.Every body necessarily doesnt shy away from speaking thus. Doesnt lessen their level of respect, just shows the difference between how two people choose to show it.
I understand your personal way of showing respect might be to avoid seeing the Prophet as a romantic individual. But if you don't try and see this part of his life, then you might be missing out on a great deal of Islamic education. The romantic nature of a union between man and woman has been celebrated throughout Islamic history and in Islamic literature. I'm sure all our deceased scholars aren't total perverts.
There is much practicality about these matters. If you don't accept your obligations and responsibilities and priveleges romantically, and you don't exercise them, you could be doing a disservice to your spouse and family unit.
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
perhaps pcg u r rite. i dont mean to erase (or run from )that part out of His (pbuh) life i am juss borderline careful using word 'romantic'. its a little one to one level to me.
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
Folks, while making a point, any point, you don't have to involve other family members. It not ony cheapens your argument, but can start a needless flaming war, that I'd rather do without.
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
Post the exact hadith.
Narrated by Aisha: While she was on a journey along with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him): I had a race with him (the Prophet) and I outstripped him on my feet. When I became fleshy, (again) I had a race with him (the Prophet) and he outstripped me. He said: This is for that outstripping. Sunan Abu Dawood - Book 14, Number 2572
Hasham reported on the authority of his father that A’ishah (rta) said: ‘The Prophet (sws) raced with me and I won the race. We remained in this position until I put on some flesh and then the Prophet (sws) raced with me and [this time] he won. So the prophet said: “This is my revenge”.’ (Musnad Ahmad, No: 24164)
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
Sorry, my bad. This had been pointed out to me by very respected poster (sister) on this board too.
So here is the hadith:
Aisha (ra) said: That she once served Harirah (a type of tonic) to the Prophet (pbuh). She also invited Saudah (ra) but she refused. At this Aisha said, 'Take it or I will smear your face with it'. Still she refused. She then smeared Saudah's face with the caudle. At this the Prophet (pbuh) laughed. The Prophet caught Aisha with his hands and asked Saudah to smear her face with the caudle. When this was done, again he laughed. (Abu Yala and al Haithami Vol IV p 316)
**Brother Lajawab’s **posts 20 and 21 have addressed your concerns.
This was in no way pie throwing type of ‘food bashing’ made famous by Hollywood slapstick comedy films.
The words in the hadith are 'Take it or I will smear your face with it'.
Keep in mind the word is smear and it can done with a bit of food on a tip of finger.
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
WOW, how cud a human prophet pbuh, not be romantic with his wife ? This is the kidn of example he would set for us?
How can this logically be correct.
Thanks for clearing that up lajjo.
It shows how Prophets showed us a COMPLETE way of life. How to deal with wives, how to keep them happy, how to keep everyone around him happy. The Prophet pbuh's image isn't one where he meditates in the masjid all day. Its one where he shows people how to live life, how to be happy in life, and how to please Allah swt.
Please post more, and with references would be nice yes :)
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AOA
I read this thread several times and thought i should refrain from adding my comments but today i decided to be a part of it............ bad or good does not matter but right one..................
1) rizk ......... Allah kee naymaat hay or uss ka hisab ho ghaa
2) rizk kee qadar or respect Isalm ka hisaa hay
3) mian biwi aik doosray kaa pardaa hay ( though enjoyment, gossaping, laughing is nice) and their affairs are private
4) Prophet (pbuh) action is sunnaha........ so rizk kee beyhurmati is sunat?
5) and Bibi Ayeshaa and bibi saudaa were doing stuff like that........
MashAllaha Brothers and Sisters
If some thing is there in a book does not mean , close eyes external as well as internal and post it..................................there is a lot of stufff in the books of every sect which is not narratable and is disgrace but we do coz of
1) love
2) hate
3) interest ( to make it interesting)
4) ignorance and blind faith....................
for example there is hadith in Sahi Bukhari
" that Moses (as) was taking a bath naked and alone, while other israelities were taking bath al-together in another pond....... they thought moses have some kind of sexual disease thats why he baths alone and they planned to check on him.........when Moses (as) saw them comming he ran to wear his clothes but the stone holding his clothes with the order of Allah (swt) started running away with his clothes such that jews can see him naked"
now if start putting things like these then this would be in justice to Moses (as), to jews, to muslims, to christians and Allah (swt) will dislike him coz i am disrepecting one of his Messenger.................. and i completely deny this Hadith coz of simple logic: Allah (swt) is Sattar, who keeps pardhaa of every one even a common men and we are talking about messener like Moses (as)............. I am puttimg it and sorry for this but just to give u an idea and request u all to please be ligical, sincre , respectful and educating instead of disrespecting, fighting on sects, and throwing around such things.........
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
Sorry, my bad. This had been pointed out to me by very respected poster (sister) on this board too.
So here is the hadith:
Aisha (ra) said: That she once served Harirah (a type of tonic) to the Prophet (pbuh). She also invited Saudah (ra) but she refused. At this Aisha said, 'Take it or I will smear your face with it'. Still she refused. She then smeared Saudah's face with the caudle. At this the Prophet (pbuh) laughed. The Prophet caught Aisha with his hands and asked Saudah to smear her face with the caudle. When this was done, again he laughed. (Abu Yala and al Haithami Vol IV p 316)
**Brother Lajawab’s **posts 20 and 21 have addressed your concerns.
This was in no way pie throwing type of ‘food bashing’ made famous by Hollywood slapstick comedy films.
The words in the hadith are 'Take it or I will smear your face with it'.
Keep in mind the word is smear and it can done with a bit of food on a tip of finger.
Thank u for ur reply. So this is not a hadith from the sahih? The one u posted definitely doesn't mention who's night it was and who got angry and thus smeared food like the one the original poster posted. Ajeeb.
Khair I rest my case. Thanks for coming bk to this. :)
Re: My Prophet (PBUH’s) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
little human
There is an inherent problem here. From your perspective it seems that Prophet’s (saw) home life was like that of a Christian Monastery or a Nunnery where the inhabitants were either continuously praying, reading Quran then busy in Zikr – very sombre and serious people who had no time to be human thus showing all the emotions and enjoy life.
In ‘our’ perspective the members of Prophet[peace and blessings be upon him and his family] besides being of high calibre piety were humans in essence thus they laughed together, they had normal human interactions even small tiffs here and there.
Yeah the hadith is not from Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim but that doesn’t mean it is not authentic.
You should know that Hz. Saudah (ra) on being old had ‘given’ her right to Hz. Aisha (ra). You can read that from the following:
Saudah Bint Zam’a
Just as Muhammad married Khadijah through an initiative on her part, likewise, after her death, Saudah was married to him through the efforts of some of his friends. Saudah was one of the earliest converts to Islam and had suffered much since she embraced Islam. She had migrated to Abyssinia with her husband, who died there.
Muhammad was worried after the death of Khadijah, as he was going on a mission to al-Ta’if and there was no one to look after the small children, Khaulah bint Hakim suggested to him that he needed some affectionate and sincere companion who could also look after his children. She proposed Saudah, who was also in need of help.
She was about fifty years old when she was married to Muhammad in 2 A. H./620 A. D. Marriage was solemnized by her father, and four hundred dirham dowry (mahr) was paid to her by Muhammad. (Tabaqat Ibn Sa’d). All scholars of Seerah are of the opinion that the Prophet married Saudah after the death of Khadijah and before he married A’isha. (Tabari).
She was very obedient and dutiful and, in this respect, she surpassed all the other wives of the Prophet. She was also very generous, like the Prophet, and more so than any of his wives except A’isha. Her generosity is shown by an incident which happened in the caliphate of 'Umar. He sent one sack full of dirhams to her but she distributed it as soon as she received it.
When she became very old, she gave her turn (of a visit of the Prophet) to A’isha. A’isha reported that Saudah bint Zam’a gave up her turn to her, and so the Prophet used to give A’isha both her day and the day of Saudah. (Bukhari and Muslim). She died in the last year of ‘Umar’s caliphate. (about 23 A.H.)’
Well just to wet your appetite I’m posting another incident between Hz. Sauda, Hz. Hafsah and Hz. Aisha (May Allah (swt) be pleased with them)
Razinah, a maid servant of the Prophet said: That once Saudah Yamaniah (ra) came to Aisha (ra) and Hafsah bint Umar (ra) was already there. Saudah looked very beautiful at that time and was wearing a Yamanite shirt and a head gear of a similar cloth. She had two decorative marks near the corners of her eyes; and they were aloe and saffron. Aisha said that she had seen the women decorating their faces in that way.
Hafsah said to Aisha, 'O Umm al Mummin! The Prophet will be coming and this Saudah will shine before him ’
At this Aisha said to Hafsah, ‘Fear Allah’.
Hafsah said, ‘I am determined to spoil her beauty aids’.
At this Aisha asked her what she had planned to do. Saudah was hard of hearing.
Hafsah said, ‘O Saudah! The one eyed Dajjal (anti Christ) has appeared’.
Saudah said, 'Is this so?’
After saying this she got terrified and began trembling (on account of fear).
She asked her, ‘Where should I hide myself?’
Hafsah said to her, ‘Hide yourself in the yonder tent’.
This tent was made of the branches of date trees and the people (way-farers) took shelter in it. Saudah went to the tent and hid herself in it. That tent was full of dirt and filth and was covered with cob-webs.
In the mean time the Prophet came, and theses two were laughing so much that they could not even speak a single word. The Prophet asked them why they were laughing. But they merely pointed towards the tent and continued laughing. The Prophet went to that tent and there he found Saudah trembling. He asked her what had happened to her. Thereupon she asked him if the one-eyed anti christ had appeared.
The Prophet told her that he had not appeared; his appearance was sure. Thereafter the Prophet took Saudah out and began removing the dirt and filth and cobwebs from her body.
Saudah, radhiallahu 'anha, laughed with the others when she realised it was a joke. (Abu Yala, al Haithami Vol IV p 316 and Tabrani)
Re: My Prophet (PBUH’s) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
:hehe: Firstly, I was going to be offline from the net for days, so I said I would leave the discussion for a while. That’s what I meant when I say I rest my case.
Secondly, no I don’t think the Prophet pbuh was a very serious person and his home life was like a monastery or something. I don’t know where you got that from [even though I am a serious person myself - I hardly crack a smile when I read jokes in the jokes forum - which I do v rarely :o ]. I agree that they have normal human interactions but within the ikhlaq taught in islam. My issue was with the smearing of food and even as Lajo put it that it could have been smeared with a finger - a little bit maybe? I don’t know. But we’ve been taught to even pick up a grain of rice fallen on the dastarkhan n eat it. I don’t know how to put it for u to understand - it’s about respect of food, be it how little the amount is. Khana khailnay kee chez nahin.
Thirdly when I read the hadiths that was posted I found a v simliar hadith narrated by Ahmad bin Hanbal {sp?} in a book. BUT the ending was different - the food was smeared, the plate was broken and Prophet pbuh was angry. I have returned the book now and I am not exactly sure if it was the same wife or a different one. I tried to find that exact hadith online but I wasn’t able to, it seems that such hadiths from this narrator is absent online. I like to post things with direct reference, thus one more reason I thought - ah! forget it if I can’t find the source online.
The hadith u posted might be a laugh-together-but-small-tiffs-here-and-there hadith for u but it’s a weird one for me.
About Lady Saudah, she was 50 years old when married to the Prophet pbuh. The incident u posted, I don’t know how old the other two wives were at the time of incident but Lady Saudah would be 50+.
Hafsah said to Aisha, 'O Umm al Mummin! The Prophet will be coming and this Saudah will shine before him ’ – Is this the reason to spoil her beauty aids? Doesn’t sound like to me she just wants fun.
At this Aisha said to Hafsah, ‘Fear Allah’. — What is it to fear if they r just having fun.
I come from a big family, we have fun too but we know our limits. Maybe having younger siblings, I tend to discipline them on the basis of what I know as ikhlaq in Islam - well at least I try to. Maybe I am too serious :hoonh:
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
**i have read a book about The Holy Prophet(SAW) which shows many different aspects of his life and not only as a prophet but also as a companion,a husband,a father and a warrior. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. If anyone is interested its called ** ' MUHAMMED (SAW)' by MARTIN LINGS
Re: My Prophet (PBUH's) love for his Wives (Some Romantic Moments of His Life) _Exclu
These days if a 50 year man kissed a young teenaged girl it would not be called 'pure' but 'perverted'.
Just think how many of you would like their teenaged daughter to marry a man who was as old as their father or even grandfather. Worst still who had several wives living with him.
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Just think how many of you would like their teenaged daughter to marry a man who was as old as their father or even grandfather. Worst still who had several wives living with him.
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Peace malhot
Should we then forbid our daughters from getting married in accordance with their own choice?
If they want to get married to a 50 year old or 60 year old what is wrong in that?
In fact many young models are getting married to pensioners for their money, so why can't Muslimas get married to old men for their religion?
That’s what I meant when I say I rest my case.