My humble opinion.

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If we could only follow few rules when posting our messages.

  1. Be short and precise. Many members think that by posting 50 pages long thread, they can prove their point better. Think again friends. Most of the people don’t even bother to read even the first paragraph, if they see a long thread. Believe me, I am one of them.

  2. Refrain from cutting and pasting contents from other WebSites. I would rather read from the source then to go thru a stolen material. And believe me friends, when you are cutting and pasting , people know that you are cutting and pasting. They are not fools. If you think that the material is so good, please put a link to that WebSite.

  3. If you have to prove your religious standing , avoid using too much of Quran’s verses and Hadith. You cannot prove Islam to a non-Muslim by quoting from Quran. That does not make any sense.

  4. Unless you are an authority on Hinduism, Jewism or Christianity (let alone Islam), please avoid making claims about those religions or their principles. I hate to take names but the thread titled “Questions for Hindus (Originally posted by Irrefragable)” is painfully stupid. It clearly shows that the person had no knowledge about the basic faith of Hindu religion and all the questions were based upon the general misconceptions and rumors, most of the people have about Hindu religion. Same is the case with a post which tried to prove that Quran was not copied from Bible. I just want to ask the author if he actually read the Bible before cutting and pasting that material from some where.

  5. Same goes for the people of Non-Muslim faith. If you don’t have knowledge about Islam, please don’t start an argument. And specially for the people of MUSLIM FAITH. Please, if you don’t have knowledge about Islam, don’t put your two cents. Just avoid the whole argument and go to the the post titled “How do you mend a broken heart…??” in “Meeting People” section. There is some hot discussion going on their which could use your deep insight.

Enough said.

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Tariq Khan:

You said:
* Be short and precise. Many members think that by posting 50 pages long thread, they can prove their point better. Think again friends. Most of the people don't even bother to read even the first paragraph, if they see a long thread. Believe me, I am one of them.*

My response:
Since when and how you began representing people at large? How you know what we like and what we don’t? Are you sure you are at right forum and at right topic? What is your faith? Are you truly a Muslim?

said:
* Refrain from cutting and pasting contents from other WebSites. I would rather read from the source then to go thru a stolen material. And believe me friends, when you are cutting and pasting , people know that you are cutting and pasting. They are not fools. If you think that the material is so good, please put a link to that WebSite.*

My response:
*Who is the judge? Who is making the rules? Who decide what is cut and paste? Why you can’t believe that people may posses enough knowledge and information? What source got to do with anything? Nice way to cut off Muslims from Quran. *

You said:
* If you have to prove your religious standing , avoid using too much of Quran's verses and Hadith. You cannot prove Islam to a non-Muslim by quoting from Quran. That does not make any sense.*

My response:
So what you say about Noble Quran 3:64 and 16:126? Are we suppose to bow to your authority? How much knowledge you have about Islam. I found you more ignorant than a disbeliever.

You said:
*Unless you are an authority on Hinduism, Jewism or Christianity (let alone Islam), please avoid making claims about those religions or their principles. I hate to take names but the thread titled "Questions for Hindus (Originally posted by Irrefragable)" is painfully stupid. It clearly shows that the person had no knowledge about the basic faith of Hindu religion and all the questions were based upon the general misconceptions and rumors, most of the people have about Hindu religion. Same is the case with a post which tried to prove that Quran was not copied from Bible. I just want to ask the author if he actually read the Bible before cutting and pasting that material from some where. *

My response:
** Aren’t you contradicting yourself here? Are you a Hindu? How much knowledge do you posses about Hinduism? Can you prove with facts where “Irrefragable” was wrong and how in his questions? Your name is Tariq Khan or nickname, you are suppose to be Muslim. So how much you know about Islam and Noble Quran. Can you tell me what Imaan-e-Mufassil is? What are the Urkaan of Kalimah-e-Shahada? Can you tell me why your rhetoric is in contrast of the teaching of Noble Quran verse 3:64 and 16:125. I can quote them, but I like you to read them. I will save you embarrassment. **

NOTE: Now we know we Muslims are losing on many fronts. If you have Muslims like Tariq Khan, Muslims don't need an enemy.

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Good points Tariq. Completely agree with you.

I have been around this forum long enough to know that majority of the material posted here is devoid of any sensible and logical arguments and discussion.

Most of the time it's all about insulting other's beliefs to satisfy one's cheap religious ego.

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Tariq Khan:

Since I am a Muslim, I’ll give you the references from Noble Quran. I’m not sure what faith you belong to? But if you are Muslim, you must know the teachings of Quran.

Noble Quran 3:64! Say (O Muhammad SAW): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh]. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

Noble Quran 5:49-50-51! . 49. And so judge (you O Muhammad SAW) between them by what Allâh has revealed and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you (O Muhammad SAW) far away from some of that which Allâh has sent down to you. And if they turn away, then know that Allâh's Will is to punish them for some sins of theirs. And truly, most of men are Fâsiqûn (rebellious and disobedient to Allâh).
50. Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance?] And who is better in judgement than Allâh for a people who have firm Faith.
51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers and unjust).

Noble Quran 16:125-126! Invite (mankind, O Muhammad SAW) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islâm) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'ân) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.
126. And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allâh), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.)].

If you are a Muslim what these teachings of Islam means to you? You ego, enemies of Islaam’s support to your ignorance (using divide and rule policy) to turn you away from your faith or to follow your faith? You think on it.

Irrefragable
Islaam Is The *ONLY Solution:)*****And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85*

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Dear Babble Baster

Chill out dude. Maybe you should wait till you grow out of your teen years before you pretend to be a mature genius. I dont think that their is anything personal going on between you and me so take it easy. And what advantage would I gain to prove in front of you that I am muslim or not. Will that gurantee me a heaven. I guess not.

Atleast I have the courage to use my real name when I express my opinion unless your user name is your real name, in which case, my hats are off for you. I won't have the courage to live and face the world with that name.

BTW, you and your friend (refrigration dude) really amazed me. When and where did I gave any clue in my original posting that I am not a muslim? How did you conclude that? You must be a really good muslim because a normal muslim hesitates to call other people non-muslim just because they did not like their opinion.

All I can say, calm down and grow up.

Enough said

P.S. Really embarassed to bring that up but our dear religious muslim friend "Maulvi Babble Baster" claimed his occupation to be "certified sex instructor" in his profile. (Hurry up dude, change that before other people checks it). I apologize to everyone that I doubt Moulvi Babble's authority on Islam and challanged his belief (if I ever did that). Who could be more muslim then a "CERTIFIED SEX INSTRUCTOR"

Also he is only interested in Females. Maybe he should not waste his time with me, anyway.

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Tariq Khan:
**P.S. Really embarassed to bring that up but our dear religious muslim friend "Maulvi Babble Baster" claimed his occupation to be "certified sex instructor" in his profile. (Hurry up dude, change that before other people checks it). I apologize to everyone that I doubt Moulvi Babble's authority on Islam and challanged his belief (if I ever did that). Who could be more muslim then a "CERTIFIED SEX INSTRUCTOR"

Also he is only interested in Females. Maybe he should not waste his time with me, anyway.**

Tariq I consider this a cheap , 'below the waiste shot' . I think that his profile stands for nothing but joke.
You' ve mentioned that you doubt BB authority on Islam..I think if you pay close attention to his posts, negating all the foul language and some of the harsh comments, it preaches Orthodox Islam, and that's all I care.
Carry on the good work BB and irrefragable.

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Ok Dude Outlaw

I agreed. It was a cheap shot. His profile must be a joke. I sincerely hope that he was also joking when he wrote "If you have Muslims like Tariq Khan, Muslims don't need an enemy".

Smiles

Tariq khan

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Folks who put idiots like Bubbly and Refrigerator on a high mantle are as much to be blamed. They are silent partners in spreading this hatred and ignorance. These are the kinds of behaviors that lead to human tragedies.

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Get a life :)

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NYA said: Folks who put idiots like Bubbly and Refrigerator on a high mantle are as much to be blamed. They are silent partners in spreading this hatred and ignorance. These are the kinds of behaviors that lead to human tragedies.

**Really are we silent partners in spreading this(?) hatred? against whom where and how? I thought we are speaking loud a clear. I am touched with your concern of humanity. So what did Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadyain did you prevent human tragedies? Isn't he the same who sold Muslims and Islam to British for few bucks?

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[quote]
Originally posted by Tariq Khan:
**Ok Dude Outlaw

I agreed. It was a cheap shot. His profile must be a joke. I sincerely hope that he was also joking when he wrote "If you have Muslims like Tariq Khan, Muslims don't need an enemy".

Smiles

Tariq khan**
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Tariq Khan:

I don't want to grill you on this International forum. You started this topic. Read your initial post and read Islamic teachings and find out yourself what you did and what you were required to do? Don't try to imitate white man and his logic? As I said you have committed Kufr (Period). This is not my opinion. You are Muslim and you must have Noble Quran at home. Read yourself. Calling me names or Moulwi will not make you good. Now since it is obvious that you are a Muslim. Don't make me put you through with acid test about basic knowledge of Islaam, which will give you a real spin. Back off and correct yourself I am not demanding an apology. Bubble Buster is not only a pseudo. It is a qualification and a title as well. The prove is that you have no gust to answer my initial post.

Bubble Buster
"The true EVIL lies in IGNORANCE, not in suspicion."

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Tariq Khan:

I am waiting for your response to my initial post on this thread.

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[quote]
Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
*Folks who put idiots like Bubbly and Refrigerator on a high mantle are as much to be blamed. They are silent partners in spreading this hatred and ignorance. These are the kinds of behaviors that lead to human tragedies. *
[/quote]

Well, I consider person without any concrete
knowledge of Quran and sunnah as an ignorant person, where would it make you stand?

No need to portray yourself as victim or create a devious impression that Islam stands for exetermination of others.
Crux of the matter is that your faith and belief , whatever it may be, collide head-on with Orthodox Islam,..and personally, I don't care.
Bringing personal grudge, from previous experiences in life, in the form of
generalisation won't earn you or your cause any sympathy .

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Bubble buddy

We will talk on Monday. I'll use this weekend to brush up my Islamic knowledge :).

Enjoy the weekend and chill out. I have no doubt that you are a better muslim than I am (seriously).

Tariq Khan

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[quote]
Originally posted by Tariq Khan:
**Bubble buddy

We will talk on Monday. I'll use this weekend to brush up my Islamic knowledge :).

Enjoy the weekend and chill out. I have no doubt that you are a better muslim than I am (seriously).

Tariq Khan**
[/quote]

Dear Tariq :)

It s unfortunate that Muslims in many parts of the world are practicising a mixture of many un-Islamic practices which find no basis in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah. In the Indo-Pakistan sub-continent there has crept into the practice of Islaam the influences of Hinduism, Bhakthi-movement, idol-worship, degenerated forms of Sufism and so on and so forth. In many parts of Africa, the remnants of paganism, cult-worship and celebration of pagan festivals and fetish practices are practiced side by side with Islaam.
In some Arab countries and the Maghreb, people have evolved their own peculiar, form of Islaam, which finds no support or sanction in the Qur’aan and the Sunnah. The practices which have been condemned by the Prophet (saaw) are being upheld by some people, by giving them religious flavor. This type of Islaam is found in all countries where the Muslim dwells.

It is the bounden duty of every Muslim to mutually co-operate in the work of Daw'aah, preaching and teaching the faith taught by the Messenger of Allaah. Those practices (Sunnah) of the Prophet which are lost and have gone out of practice , due to the weakness of the Ummah must be revived, taught and propagated to the world at large. The work of Dawa'ah in reality begins with the reformation of one's own self and then the message is taken to everyone. In dawa'ah, one is bound to face obstruction and encounter difficulties. Such person should excercise the utmost patience, constancy and endurance during hours of trial and tribulation. The revival of the Sunnah must first be established in one's home, then one's family, friends, society and the Ummah at large. The work of revival and the practices of the Prophet the Sunnah will automatically bring about the destruction of bi'dah, the devilish innovations which have crept into the lives of Muslims everywhere, due to various influences both within and without. " Where you to obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allaah's path. They follow nothing but conjectures and they do nothing but lie." [6:116]

I am positive that it will give you a clear picture that where I am coming from? All I need is some assistance from Muslims like you to carry out our duties.

Bubble Buster
"The true EVIL lies in IGNORANCE, not in suspicion."