My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

I was really hesitant to post this thread knowing fully well that most of the guppi management is from UK or affiliated indirectly with UK. I have also noticed how many from UK’s Pak community are so anti-West.

I believe in the concept of “innocent until proven guilty”, however just the tone of UK 's Pakistani community is so emotionally anti-West that young men are really vulnerable to Mullahtic Jihadi propaganda.

It is so sad that UK’s non Pak community from South Asia is fully involved in education and business, while Pak origin young men are throwing all the opportunities away.

Every time these guys do something bad in the UK, the blame and finger pointing ends up in the way of Pakistan.

Sad utterly sad that all these 20 some-things will get their lives ruined just because of listening to the mad mullahs. It was time for them to be yuppies, instead they will end up in a jail cell.

‘Terror plot’ evidence outlined
** Prosecutors are to continue setting out their case at the Old Bailey against seven British citizens accused of plotting terrorist attacks in the UK. ** Their potential targets are alleged to have included pubs, clubs and trains.
The men, four from Crawley, West Sussex, one from Horley, Surrey, one from Ilford, east London, and one from Luton, Bedfordshire, deny all charges.
Four of the men also deny having chemicals suitable for bomb-making. The trial is expected to last five months.
On Tuesday, prosecutor David Waters QC said the men had acquired “most of the necessary components” to launch a bombing campaign, with 600kg of ammonium nitrate fertiliser and a smaller amount of aluminium powder recovered by detectives.
But he said police had intervened before the plot “reached fruition”.
** Pakistan connection **
Mr Waters told the jury they would be hearing from an American citizen, Mohammed Babar, who conspired with the defendants.

	     	                 	     	                 	     	            **     	     	            The UK was unscathed, it needed to be hit because of its support for the US     	     	            **     	     	            
	     	                 	     	                 	     	            David Waters QC     	     	                 	     	                 	     	            
	     	                 	     	                 	     	                                                      	                 	     	                 	     	                 	     	                                 
       	      	             Babar has pleaded guilty to terrorism offences in the US and, according to the prosecutor, "has an insight as an insider into the events and plans which an outsider could not have". 
 	     	            
 	     	            It is claimed Babar met several of the defendants in England and in Pakistan, where many of them have family connections.      	     	            

Mr Waters said the defendants’ “principal purpose” in travelling to Pakistan was “to acquire expertise in relation particularly to explosives”.

                                                	      	             It was during a meeting with Babar that 24-year-old defendant Omar Khyam, from Crawley, allegedly told Babar his targets could include pubs, nightclubs and trains. 
 	     	            
 	     	            Mr Waters said Mr Khyam's motive was clear: "The UK was unscathed, it needed to be hit because of its support for the US."      	     	            

The prosecutor said Mr Khyam and co-defendant Salahuddin Amin, 31, of Luton, both told Babar they worked for a man who they claimed was “number three in al-Qaeda”.
** ‘Ultimate goal’ **
On the first day of the trial, Mr Waters told the jury the plot was stopped before it could reach fruition.
“The interception came only when most of the necessary components were in place,” he said.
“All that remained before their plans achieved their ultimate goal was for the target or targets to be finally agreed.”
He said each of the men “played their respective roles” in a plan to get bomb-making ingredients.
The bomb, or bombs, would have been used “at the very least to destroy strategic plant within the United Kingdom, or more realistically to kill and injure citizens of the UK”, alleged.
** Denials **
Mr Khyam and his brother Shujah Mahmood, 19, also from Crawley, each deny possessing aluminium powder.
Mr Khyam, Anthony Garcia - also known as Rahman Adam -, 23, of Ilford, and Nabeel Hussain, 20, of Horley, each deny possession of ammonium nitrate fertiliser.
The other accused are Waheed Mahmood, 34, and Jawad Akbar, 22, both from Crawley.
All seven deny a charge of conspiracy to cause explosions.

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Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

what is funny is these same people will be more than happy to part with their limbs for the immigration visa to same vile usa .. there is big disconnect somewhere

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

Yup, Pakistani's in the UK are becoming just like the blacks. Criminals,fraudsters and wannabe 'gangstas' living in their ethnic ghettos.

There are significant exceptions, many are educated and hard working, but there are enough of the above to make the statement. :(

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

read this what this syrian muslim poet has to say about muslim world..
nterviewer: True. You can be arrested for writing an article.
Adonis: That's one example.
...]
In the Koran itself, it says that Allah listened to his first enemy, Satan, and Satan refused to obey him. I believe that Allah was capable of wiping out Satan, yet He listened to Satan's refusal to obey Him.
At the very least, we demand that Muslims today listen to people with different opinions.

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak’s lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

If there are “signifcant exceptions” then how could you generalize Pakistanis in such a way, you venom-filled-Pakistan-hater!

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

You need a reality check. When you haven't experienced a situation yourself, you should not make comments.

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

TRD may be a Pakistan-basher. There are many posts to prove his "loyalty".

However it is unfair to attak him on this post. He said it right.

UK Pakistanis are getting into an Afro-Arab mentality of ghetto-ization. Look at this case of Shabina Begum suing the Lutan school system. And for What? Wearing a Julbab? hahah.

This UPite girl needs to check what her grandmother was wearing back home and what was the meaning of Julbab. I bet her grandmother was more familiar with the term "julab".

Copying the ways of morally and socially bankrupt regions in Africa or Middle East is simply a hight of ignorance.

One of the many reasons for European successes back in the 1500s were that they copied Ottomans. Graduation gowns and mortar with tassel is a Turkish tradition.

Even now Europeans are proud to see their sons and daughters wearing that Turkish dress during graduation ceremonies.

Pakistani-Muslims however loath to follow the ways of successful nations. We are hell bent on following those who were dirt poor back when Ottomans ruled the world, and we still want to follow the goat herders of the Middle East.

This is nothing but ghetto mentality being forced on the UK-Pakistani youth. This is precisely why we saw London bombers, and now we see more youth in the court under terrorism charges.

Sad utterly sad.

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

^ Anti what makes you an authority on Pakistanis living in UK. Would you like to enlighten me. You haven't got a clue, apart from ranting and raving all the times against your pet hates, you don't really contribute anything useful with such trash. Try and post something useful for once.

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak’s lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

Sarr gai! :omg:

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

Eh-You are insulting someone whose background you know nothing about. Doesn't make you look very smart.

And if you do live in Birmingham you will know all about Pakistani ghettos.

Anti- I am not a 'paki-basher'. I am a realist who chose's not
to gloss over what is so f**ked up in Pak, ignorance
and denial will not help. Only by recognising a problem
and bringing attention to it can you do something
about it

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

^ I have not insulted anyone. Just challenging him to prove what he is saying. He is insulting a whole community about whom he knows nothing. It is easy to sit in front of a computer and run down whole communities and call them criminals and gangsters.

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

You said in an insulting manner -'Anti what makes you an authority on Pakistanis living in UK.'

For all you know he could have lived his whole life in the UK, or at least many,many years in the UK

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

Look guys. It is utterly wrong to call the whole community as gangsters. Check out the whole thread and see who is doing the stereotyping.

Before we go on a tangent, the purpose of the thread is what its title says "to express my sorrow" to see half dozen young UK-Muslims of Asian origin sitting in a court room being tried for terrorism.

We are all struggling with the reason why and who is inspring these young men to go so mad as to commit suicide or plan bombing the discos.

Any clues?

Re: My heart cries for UK-Pak's lost genertion: 7 UK citizens accused of terrorism

look at european muslim second generation immigrant:
-Pakistanese in UK
-north Africans in France
-Turkish in Germany
Do they fare well? Are they living in ghettos?
Do the white middle class fear them?

the sad reality of today europe is that the three above question get a Yes, a lot of them, with notable exceptions....as an answer.
Do I have a clue? yes i do

the roots of the poblems lie in the past...when the parents of those young muslim settle in europe, they were mostly ignorant poor people, the housewives mothers had no clue about europe society...and in some cases still don't...that for sure did not help their kids getting prepared for the tough, competitive european society and job market.
(i've seen so many of these moms who can't even speak french after thirty years over here......)
Why do muslim immigrant fare worse than others in europe? i think it has a lot to do with religion mentality..islam is all about gender segragation and family values....while europe advocates the opposite, hence a big cultural conflict, and children are lost within...lost children grew up to be lost teenagers...those who came to answer their distress are either ganstas, or maulvis...hence the trouble in the ghettos:D

I am a very attached to family values and i really think europe conflicts with it so much i can't even think about raising kids here...i know it's too risky...

last but not least: i have allways heard so much hatefull coments from europeans about how stupid and lazy are housewives...how can a child respect his mother when everybody around including the teachers who represent knowledge advocates the disrepct of the "stay home mother"??
if he do not respect the mother, how can she educate him/her properly???
if the housewife do not master perfectly the language how can she reply to insult from his/her child??
there are a looooooooot of isssues behind the troubles experianced by that fraction of second generation muslims in europe