My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

what do u think ur observations tell u in this matter?

Lack of decent proposals is certainly a major problem in young Muslims’ lives who are living abroad and even in their original communities and countries, Behind this particular problem, there are many factors, which have to be looked into at a deeper level.

Finding a decent proposal is not easy. Traditionally, Muslim cultures value arranged marriages by the parents or elder siblings. When the pool of prospective is small, and too many expectations are present, it is even more harder to locate a decent proposal.

For one thing, both parties, the man and the woman need to converse with each other and get to know each other, before their parents or they themselves can begin to think on the lines of marriage of the two.

In the contemporary times, later marriages for both women and men are not necessarily a bad thing. The only negative aspect might be that with being older individuals, people have to deal with spouses who have become set in their particular routines, so for them to adjust to a ”double” situation might cause inconvenience Or can become an issue of seniority and control. Being of about the same age, and “growing together” in a marriage, I think, is more healthy than having a huge age difference in between the spouses.

Here is my main argument for the issue: a lack of decent proposals has to do with both women and men. And in order to have a win-win situation for both parties, both have to accurately and honestly outline who they want to look for to marry to.

For women, traditionally decent proposals come from the family of the prospective groom. It is considered giving respect to the women and her family., because someone worthy would send his parents to ask if his marriage is possible to their daughter. and if parents agree on both sides, the marriage will take place. Motives behind marrying rich or pretty individuals, is a personal choice. None-the-less, it has its own issues. So, those individuals who look for richer prospects and good looks, may have a hard time and bad experiences if they ended up with a wrong person.

Double standards have to go. Unfortunately, young men from Muslims countries are free to explore extra marital endeavors of sexual nature. The parents of the girls or women, on the other hand, are extremely concerned more about putting their daughters as soon as they can with someone and very often it is ignored to ascertain the character of the man with whom daughters are arranged to get married to. Otherwise, sooner or later unhappy marriage end in brutal divorces or suffering by both the spouses but more specifically the women.

It is another issue that due to patriarchal and chauvinistic mind sets, and physical weakness of ,they can get beaten up, burnt or brutally killed or tortured by way of humiliation. As far as I know, our “deen” does not permit any of it in any way, shape or form.

To turn to my original argument, Marriage is the ultimate social and intimate contract, between two people and with that comes the life long responsibility to make it work. Both parties will have to do their part to make sure they are fair to each other. Hiding anything before marriage is not a good thing. Too often repercussions haunt afterwards.

For men, the story is really not that different either. Islam asks chaste men to take into Nikah, chaste women. So, ideally, men should be concerned as well, who they eventually will marry. A man and his family has the right, just like a woman and her family, to fully investigate the character of the woman prior to marrying her.

In this context, the lust for good looks, money, and low or no self esteem, puts women over the edge. It is a shame how shamelessness has penetrated our Muslim communities too. It is one thing to say we are humans and that we all have basal instincts, biological or psychological in nature, but we still have a conscience and we still are Muslims & we should genuinely act like Muslims. Therefore, prior to marriage or after marriage, we should lead decent lives and make partnerships with spouses who are of commendable character and worthy of the honor of being chosen as spouses.\

Islam, as a practical religion, never condemns mutual understanding. If anything, it admonishes to develop it for better reliable relationship in the matrimonial contract. Both, men and women are to seek and question about each others’ opinions, thoughts, aspirations, character, ideas, planning for secure future together as well as see the family background and general outlook on life, in order to assess, whether pairing up with a certain individual will be suitable or not.

If the institution of marriage in middle upper class Muslim immigrant families has to become a valid place of entry and one which can allow personal growth as well as collective sense of well-being, then we must share our very reasonable concerns prior to entering a marital contract.

To solve or possibly help curb this lack of decent proposal problems, here are a few suggestions.
First of all, it is very important that early on, Muslim communities encourage adolescents and young adults to get to know potential life partners, without violating the ethics of “Mherem” and “Na Mahrem”

Secondly, men and women should first get financially established themselves in their young adulthood, after finishing their education, and having started their work lives. This gives more opportunity to know more people and then like-minded individuals can meet each other or well-meaning parents can introduce their young adult children –men and women, in helping them make a choice with regards their spouses.

Getting respect is very hard and establishing trust can be even harder. It is a transactional relationship, which demands transparent and clear cut consultative dealing. One cannot dominate the other. The process of finalizing a marriage cannot be rigged by mere upper-had mentality of who gives what and who is made to forsake something dear and important. Controlling the prospective spouses or their families will never allow for strong and content marriage.

Out of all things, we should avoid distrust on any one’s part at all costs. These are issues which are all related to identifying and successfully securing a decent proposal and working towards finally settling by marrying someone decent. It is a personal, familial as well as a huge societal issue. We need to be fair to ourselves and to others especially in matters where a life long commitment is required.

Hopefully, Muslims communities will have more successful married couples and a sense of achievement and contentment in their lives for making an honest and honorable commitment to who they care for and love as their spouses.

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

which decent proposals?.:p…mom will take care of
that:hayaa: …

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

its too long for me to read :bummer:

can u summarise it for me plz

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

lol..dunt think it'll generate many responses, ppl to lazy to read it all.

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

Dush
** I read it all you have covered all the aspects.......Good effort.....but a lil bit long......**

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

Dushwari,

why are we correcting your homework?

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

these two paragraphs contradict each other..

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

lets make it simple

some guys say they cant find decent proposals
some girls say they cant find decent proposals

many guys and girls not only find good matches, but get married and are happy

I suggest that the group which is not finding the right proposals may have unrealistic expectations, think they are hotter shyt then they are in reality.

really, desi girls looking for hrithik or brad pitt may want to step back and see that they may not be aishwaria rai or angelina jolie, I mean if they are more tuntun or roseanee. same with guys, bhai why do u have your eyes set at ashwaria if you are more johnny lever? why would she go for you?

yes yes there are girls and guys who are in backwater small towns where they are very few desis, or ppl whose parents are too strict to letthem meet someone, yet for rishtas can only drag in the type of mutants that you would have seen at some paan shop in 1970s lalukhet.

ppl, ppl...look at yourself first, then look atyour expectations, and then eith realistic expectations take charge of your own life..if community and parents are unable to find u good rishtas, then go out and find em on yur own. that in unless you know deep down inside that on your own you may not be able to land the babe or hunk that you want.

'nuff said

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

^ Couldn't have said it better. Chances are a person whining about lack of rishtas, will still be whining when you meet them 5-8 years later.

Guess what the usual outcome is? At the ripe old age of 35 (for men) or 30 (for women), they decide that the mamoo/phuppoo ki larki/larka isn't so bad after all.

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

happily engaged. the essay is not whining, it is about a general trend observed and i am sure many will concur that it exists.

no doubt, what crecent, fraudia and skhan have said is true too, all as other truths...

and so, but, don’t we know that there is a decent proposal dearth for esp those Muslim men and women, boys and girls who are raised in the US and their families are looking for decent additions to their children’s lives, and the young single people themselves are looking for only decent and not selfish or immature spouses.

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

Mr. Fraudia, I don't think those are the ONLY reasons someone might not find some good match. Partially, it just has to do with timing. It might simply not be the "time" for you to find that right person, but that doesn't mean you never will. So, I'm sure there is room for another category of people - the ones who just haven't found Mr Right or Mrs. Right yet, but might very well in the future. Doesn't mean they are losers.

Second point - lack of good rishtas is a reflection that there is a lack of good people in our community. Perhaps if we all try to be better people (not that I'm Ms. Perfect anyway), we might find better matches. But then that's like asking coconut trees to grow bananas.

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

PCG I did not say anywhere that those are the ONLY reasons. Those are reasons that people who complain may not be looking at.

Timing is one thing, I agree.

How do you figure 4 pals ..similar background similar education, 3 get married are happy and all, and one complains that there are NO good matches around.

its not sayign someone is a loser, but what are they looking for and are the expectations realistic.

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

is this a women studies class? ahhhhh the thoughts of an educated woman, will ur mind.........sucks being a woman....

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

and u sickly men, good for nothing... rubbish at times, in domestic violence cases and not even good fathers, let alone honest and loving husbands because u cannot call issues what they are, u cannot be mature and u are always wanting to fool others. must suck being a men!

lanat ho!

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

There are plenty of people out there, but as the families become nuclear and are going off the idea of marrying from within family.....its means that you have to adopt 21st century means to find suitable partners and braoden your search.

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

u emitted this one liner...

that is my accomplishment of the day, hell no!

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

completely agree ..lanat on guys whoo are like that, and lanat on women who live with abuse day n day out, complain about it but dont have the guts to go out and live life on their own terms, women who see their husbands be abusive toards their kids, yet not have the guts to stand up to it.

Women need to take more of their destiny in their own hands. I mean if you are some uneducated woman in some extrmely conservative village in Pakisan its a diff story. Whya re there so many edcuated desi women in the west whinging about shyt and putting up with the trolls that they married.

excuses are oh we are in the marriage for the kids, or this or that. I salute the women, and there are some on thos board who I respect for taking the stand and for walking away from a marriage that was bad. If someone realizes in their 20’s or 30’s that the husband is a troll, and assuming one lives into their 70’s 80’s, why would you sentence yourself to such abusive relationship for decades in the future.

Playing the victim is easy…having the guts to take a stand and walk is something else.

and btw..jury is out bigtime on what is better for kids, seperated parents or seeing their dad beat, berate, ridicule, boss, their mother..or to have the same treatment themselves from such a man.

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

I agree!

Whining and moaning is also easy. Next to Israel bashing, (desi) male bashing is the most popular sport in Gupshup!

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

why lanat ho....its true...sucks being a woman....this is how it should be, a woman should call all the shots in the household......the end

Re: My essay on Lack of Decent Proposals.

dulhey bhai,

i agree with u. i hope i did not get u wrong. u said it sucks being women, sounded like u are blaming the victims. men are also in predicaments at times, where i will definitely take their side, when the politics between mother in law and spouse is never ending or the woman is not sincere with her man... but, i hope u agree that there is a huge difference in the amount and degree of suffering by women across the spectrum & that that what men bear & most men play ostrich, for the most part.

that is the situation i am referring to.

that is why my argument that both female and male , should sensibly choose their spouses.

thanks,

dushwari