My Dream Country

Just a thought, in todays Islamic World which are ruled by Laws other then Allaah, The Most High and The best Judge are in a state of complete mess.

  1. The earlier generation of Muslims lived by the Quran and the success they acheived is something unique in the History of Mankind.

Look at the first Caliph Abu Bakr radiAllaahuanhu did he read political science, economics no way but his Judgment was derived from the Quran and the Sunnah of Prophet, (who lived the by the Quran) but still ruled ditto for Hazrath Umer radiAllaahuanhu.

  1. The Ruler of the Kingdom and the Imam the one who passes the fatwa are two different entities. Which was not in the case, when Prophet lived and the first Caliph’s of Islam.

Well the two points jotted down above, clearly conclude that, and this is my opinion for the Muslims to regain power in this world

The ruler and the imam should be one, here the ruler shold be religiously knowledgeable and Matured enough to Pass judgment . Because the Imams are government sponsored and there fatwa is obviously being biased in support of the government.

Well, this is my opinion the Ruler should be one for religious purpose as well as for the Worldly Matters

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Well this was not the case even in the times of sahabas! The sahabas who were scholar minded kept themselves away from the policitcs! Most of the famour hadith narrators were by no means politicians.

Moreover the Islam's golden era is considered the rule by Haroon Rasheed and Mamoon Rasheed. During this time there was a clear distinction between rulers (politicians) and scholars!

One really need to analyse the history deeply!

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Brother, i do understand your concern but I have stated clearly the Politics, Economics is present in the Quran and at that time there was Muslim unity unlike today.

Well, I agree to your point that Sahabas kept away from Politics but not away from Islam, you get my drift I suppose. I clearly mentioned Worldly matters and Islamic way of life are one and the same.

One more to finishe the topic Haroon Rasheed was religiously knowledgeable, due to this his judgements were always favoured. To finish it of the best of Period was of Omar bin Abdul Aziz.

Well i dont deny what you have said but more thought should be involved in what I have mentioned in my thread opener.
Thanks,

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I really doubt Islam as a state system can ever be implemented! Take for example - our Islamic calender based on lunar movement! Can we implement it in our daily lives? Can we grow our crops according to it?

You see even our tableghi jamat has prcatically rejected it! They hold their congregation in November in Pakistan! Solar calender takes into account weathers! But Islamic does not!

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I am talking about implementing Quran as the law in Islamic World and religious leaders and the country leader to remain one.

As mentioned it the Quran as good sounds knowledge leads to better Judgement not in all the cases. Now where did the crops come up from, if TJ rejects, what is Quran got to do with it

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Actually Lunar movement was followed By Jude and Chris before Muhammad(pbuh)if some 1 intersted in history he can see tht in encyclopedia most of the jude and christian thoughts hve been putted in hadees books and we followed lunar system from tht qURAN MENTIONED FOUR SEASON OF CROPS AND WHEATHER WE DO PRAY ACCORDING TO SUN MOVEMENT WE DO SAHAR AND AFTAR ACCORDING TO SUN MOVEMENT QURAN MENTION CLEARLY THT SUN IS THE CENTRAL MOVEMENT OF ALL DAY AND NIGHTS AND WEATHER

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People who are having doubts about the Shariah, need to be reminded, that before their masters came and colonized their lands...it had been Shariah all the way for centuries. Now all of a sudden Shariah has started to seem uncompatible...

I just cant imagine how a muslim would find the Shariah incompatible, when he knows that this Shariah was revealed upon Mohammad (sas) by Allah, and he knows that Allah has made ruling by the Shariah fardh.

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There was no sharia in Islamic world! Especially in the sub continent!

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^ what law was there in the islamic world?

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Moslty badshahat!

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Grow crops? Where do you live?

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Whereever I live, I can not grow my crops according to Islamic calender!

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Badshahat is not a law, its a type of government. And a badshahat can be an islamic form of government, an example being the rule of Suleiman (a.s.).

Try again..

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I'd blame it on your lack of enough gray cells (from what you've demonstrated in this thread), than on the Islamic calender.

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yes it can be ......amongst the kings apart from umar ibn abdul aziz(ra) how many followed the shariah fully or atleast to the best of their ability?
Lets confine this discussion to those after Rasulallah Muhammad(saw)
adopting certain aspects of shariah( that suits the ruler) and ignoring others does not count

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I feel personally the Muslims were successful, after the Prophet and the advent of the Caliphs was because they lived by the Quran, Imagine before coming into Islam the same Sahabas were ignorant about so many things in life, but such a huge change is only because they lived by the word of Allaah.

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Seasons are regular and fixed, and to a large degree one could tell when a season begun, and using an islamic calendar it would be trivial to compute when the season would end. That the seasons slip through the years with respect to months is irrelevant.

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The very first thing I would say is that Politics is not something to stay away from, it may be associated with dirty games and underhanded practices thesedays however it really is the methodology a government uses to manage the state. This being said, no one can justify that Islam cannot be implemented as a state system. If Islam has proven to transform individuals to deeply pious and organized people then why can it not transform groups of people or taking it further nations of people. It did during the first 30 years of Islam.

As for the shariah, a portion of it is the normative verses of Quran, which form some of the laws, the rest if fiqh derived from Quran and Hadith. This portion of the Shariah can change to compliment the needs to the time, it has done so and definitely needs to happen even more so now.

What one needs to analyze is that the Arabs of the Prophet SAW time were already successful as business people and established warriors as well. Islam did not teach them military skills or business skills but rather developed their character and let it trickle down to everything they did in their lives. Some guidelines and rules, which are quite high level were set to keep living within certain bounds or norms that do not violate the Islamic ideal.

So when we say Jahhiliyah or Days of Ignorance, what we need to answer is, what were the people ignorant of? I say it was morals and the fear of reckoning before Allah SWT. I say this is where Islam primarily focused on and nourished, this is what not only leaders of today but we the people lack as well. We can't blame our leaders for everything, they are from among us after all aren't they?

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I agree with the fact that they were corrupt, but they did not thrash the Shariah away. They were corrupt, but the form of government was always the Shariah. They may have been corrupt, selfish, egocentric...but their problem was not with the Shariah, unlike the rulers of today.