Okay so I have 5 doves. One female and 4 males. First pair I brought turned out to be 2 males. 2nd pair was okay. But I wanted to bring 2 females for the two males which i brought as a pair but could only manage to bring 1 female. Turned out i was again given a male instead of a female. So now i have to bring 4 more females.
My question is what should i do with the male of the 2nd pair i brought because his upper beak is broken and he makes s huge mess not only because of eating with one single lower beak but also because he loves to fly around his food. This pair is with me for about 3 months and i am getting very tired of the male making a mess every time i place new food inside the cage. The problem is that the mess he makes does not remain inside the cage but he spreads it so bad that within minutes, that part of my room is unrecognizable where i keep them. I did not want to give him back because to be honest i love them all and this messy and aggressive male is most intelligent of all that he often makes me smile with his clever funny harkatein. But last two days abd especially after this back problem, i am giving up. My maid is fed up of him from the first day because its extra work for her despite that i refularly have to keep clearing the place at intervals. Last two days i could nit so now i am spotting ants at that part of the room. Right now not many but if i keep him, i would have to be prepared to live with the mess he makes.
I have tried a few different tools to stop him but i feel like a devil for doing that. He is also aggressive so he does not let anyone come near food when he is in the same cage. I cannot manage to keep two seperate cages so at this point, i am torn between whether to keep him or give him away. I do love him alot to give him back so what orher oprion do i have? I keep asking him what i should do qith him and ask him if he wiuld be happy to go back to from where i beought him from? Maybe he understands me but does not say anything. I am very tired of cleaning his mess but i am more tired of throwing away the good food which he neither eats himself nor does he let other doves eat it because he always goes to sit inside the food pot and spreading it around like crazy. That is his passtimw. Inirially it was very cute but now im losing my patience. WHAT SHOULD I DO? None of my efforts to teach him to be humble with his food because it is also for his friends in the cage is woeking. So what should i do with him??? No doubt he is v intelligent, cute and active.
I will miss him if i give him back. So what do i do???
So are you rich? you have a maid and leisure time to spend with the Kabootars..on the topic I think Mr. not playing nice in the sandbox needs to go back
He is so cute and intelligent. If you knew him more, you would also think a 100 times whether to give him away. Apart from that, 2 of my other doves also kind of like him for being an extrovert. So when i put him in a different cage temporarily so that others could eat too (keeping 4 food pots in the same cage did not help as he makes sure to waste food from all the 3 before going back to the last one to permanantly occupy it), those other 2 attached with him start to worry about his disappearance or seeing him in a different home so much that they stop eating. The main reason why i seperate them. But i still have to do it because the newest one i brought about which i was told that is a female bit turned out to be a male is so so timid that he gets so nervous around him and was almost sick for not eating at all due to his fear.
So if i give him away, i also fear making his two friends from my flock depressed. Right now, i see him again busy spreading, throwing around food in the balcony. But im just watching from inside comoletely helpless. I kept him out of cage all morning so that others could have a chance to eat so i already feel like a devil for keeping him out despite his constant coo-coos asking me to out him back with others.
And what makes you think im rich? Kabootars are kept only by rich people? On the contrary, Im quite the opposite. Dependent on parents for too many years now. The thought of being dependent is a daily mental torture for an alpha like me
I brought these doves because i wanted to keep my mind busy for the hours im not sleeping. I have also turned very lazy over the years. I think when you constantly have very little to do, it is natural to turn lazy, is it not?
I definitely would like to be more productive than looking for ways to kill time… HONESTLY
And and and… if i was rich, i would be too busy travelling atound the world to newer places than sleeping all the time. That is life to me. I love being on the move always. But bound by financial constraints.
I also love all kinds of animals and birds. I find insects and reptiles quite scary though. And if i had money, i would probably make a zoo, keep exotic and other animals and birds and live in it with them haha. I get along with and understand most animals and birds and they understand me. So it would be fun living in a zoo with them right?
And the answer to your last question is the answer to all other questions. No i dont live in the west. I live in a place which is not much different than living in a prison generally for all humans but especially for an alpha female. I somehow manage to offend most people most times without intending to. That is quite destructive in this place where i live because even a chapraasi has strong PR in government agencies. Like he eithet has a friend or relative or someone who will obediently help him with every legal or illegal, miral or immoral acts… such as spying on a strange female through her mobile number alone because that female happened to offend him in some way.
Such females are fully exposed to any kind of ill treatment by these criminals with strong PR in the sensitive agencies. So its just like living in a prison in such countries. Better to lock yourself up in your own home than to go out, be noticed, cause offense and get in trouble.
Hey hey hey why did you edit your post? I already answered but did not quote you.
I am sometimes late in responding because firstly im a slow typer and sometimes i have to rush in the middle of typing a post. Like now i saw my female dove and that timid one wandering restlessly all over the cage so went to check on them if everything was alright. Maybe they want some time out free from cage. I sometimes leave them out in my room for a change. All are good bachas dont make a mess except that naughty one. But after seeing those ants yesterday Im not too sure about leaving them free in my room. Not for the time being atleast and catching them again is much struggle with back problem (which is much much better now alhamdolillah). Im so happy i will be a normal human with a working functional body on christmas
I so so get you on that, although In was in a position of influence and had started a very successful business there I still ran away as I could not compromise on freedom of thought. I was hoping that things might have improved for females but sad to hear they haven’t.
I am a lot like you in my behavior and most eastern people are very touchy and get offended even though it is not my intention, I was afraid my curiosity might offend you. In real life I don’t have any eastern friends for that reason. I can now see that you are very open and honest.
I dont know how things were for females in the past but currently as i see them could not be worse.
I know good people cant survive in a filthy pond. No matter how much influence you have, if you are not filthy, morally or socially corrupt or passive enough to live with the filth, you cant live here. I have become quite passive and anti social for that reason.
When i was new in this place some people told my parents not to let me go out alone as i was so simple straight forward and open that could be very easily tricked because people here are different. They habitually lie, deceive and have fun doing that. Well and it happened. So after suffering a good dose of deceit and lies and seeing the higher ups supporting the criminals like their own or for the greed of money, i am no more interested to socialize with these filthy aliens. Just seeing a fully clothed but free woman out of her house for anything raises their testerones. Most of them dont abstain from doing the most immoral acts to trap her in different ways to get her attention. They assume that a free independent woman is their property whether or not she likes it. Her will is not important. And they assume an alpha woman to be immoral just like them. There are exceptions everywhere but majority are the same. A society is made up by the majority.
I spent early years in Africa and when I moved out there it was a very disturbing experience. Females were abused and harassed in public transports, on roads, in bazaars etc. They really didn’t have any protection and rights in a domestic setting either. We lived in a posh area in defense and I hear that our neighbors girl qualified as a doctor and married a rich Sindhi who threw her off the balcony and claimed she accidentally fell off, the neighbor on other side claimed their bahuu caught fire in a kitchen accident. The quota students who were sons of pwerful feudal lords would abduct girls on a daily basis and rape them in the engineering uni hostels..so those are my memories. I am not sure if that is how it still is? These guys were saying prayers, doing tasbih, roza and were also abducting girls.
You are absolutely right and now it is worse. Many such similar attempts but I was somehoe protected by the grace of God and because of my parents’ prayers. Later on i used to come to know about the plans they had for me. I have heard my aunt and others say often, “Kuch ditta lia kam aa gaya hai.” Hahaha… meaning that i was protected from harm because of some good deed of mine or my parents. When thinking of the ways and times how i have been safely taken out of near death experince at the hands of criminals controlling and running this country, i naturally thank Allah for being right there protecting me and not leaving me. Some times have been miraculous given that i once was an extremely bold, fearless being. And yes i have heard of many and similar such cases you mentioned. Almost all of these kids have political back ground from atleast one of their parents. And posh or not posh, it is all the same everywhere. I used to think things were not as bad in posh areas but i was wrong.
This is so sad, a girl like you would soar like an eagle here. I was just dealing with an Indian IT professional, she is a single female and was so confident and living life on her own terms it was really nice to see. Yeah all those rapists back home had political background. They want respect for their mothers and sisters and want to assault others. You seem very educated and open minded, how did that happen.
Are these forums always this boring or is it because of the holidays? Nothing new in any forum. I remember a time when it used to flourish with alot of bright stars from all over the world. It was a fun place. Its so dead now.
Sorry mostly I am typing lazily, you seem to be very educated and have a higher degree of intellect and are bit more willing to vet ideas you may not agree with. I was curious how that came about. On the one hand females back home seem to be longing for the rights, freedoms, and choices the western values offer them but when they come here many become loud obnoxious belligerent judgemental hijabis. Although I don’t have anything against hijabs but just a problem with the belligerence and judgementalism many of them show…here I have opened a can of worms now and maybe the place will become more interesting..lol
Haha yes I have a feeling its a can of worm what you are saying. Can you give an example I think the belligerent judgemental hijabis will be the same where in the west east or in between. But then again hearing about alot of news anout anti-muslim sentiments in some of the western countries, the belligerence of those hijabis could be a reaction to those anti-islamic sentiments openly expressed by some in the west? I cannot say much about it because Im still trying to visualize what kind of females you are referring to. Personally, I have learned (the hard way) that one must not appear very different from the people around whom they live/work/socialize and one must mix in the environment where they live from their outward appearance. That is the most effective way to avoid unwanted attention. This is neccessary in conservative societies to avoid trouble.
Or there could be other reasons why females turn that way. I cannot say much without being able to visialize how theu change. I have seen fully hijabi girls living in the west but i thought that is how they lived in their own countries.
My cousin moved to west after marriage and she started dressing up western which I think is perfectly natural for humans to integrate in wherever they live. Like i have integrated now and i dress up as much sloppily as possible before going out in order to mix up with the public around me and not appear different and catch unwanted stares.
And about how i have turned out to be the way i am. I dont know. Maybe its in my genes? Hahaha really i dont know.
Okay its a little after midnught and am craving garlic butter french bread. The only place it is available in is the only foreign departmwntal store not very near my house and most prolly close at this time. Im hungry
You might be mistaken in your assessment as this belligerent and incalcitrant behavior may be the cause of the anti-religion behavior. This behavior was the same even before the polarization and religious intolerance and helped support the neo-nazis in whipping up hatred. For some, the hijab was an attention seeking device as their behavior clearly indicated that they are horrible human beings let alone being good Muslims. How can one have tight ass jeans with every single bulge in their body enhanced and makeup caked on with fake eyelashes and nails and they curse and swear and then claim that they are being discriminated because of their religion? We as humans need attention and to elevate ourselves. It requires a tremendous amount of effort to be acknowledged say as an athlete, as a good citizen, as a volunteer or athlete. But you can instantly elevate yourself by your religious claims without actually having done a single good deed.
Also, I make my own garlic bread, just mix garlic with butter and add some minced green herbs and butter your toast. I am doing a steak dinner tomorrow for Christmas eve and I am going to serve garlic d bread and garlic mashed potatoes with green beans.
Okay you mean these women use hijab to seek attention and elevate in the eyes of people pretending to be good muslims from the outward appearance? Could be could be. But such hijabis and namazis exist in muslim countries too. And everywhere. Maybe the ratio is more where you live. But still i wont say all the hijabis wear hijab for those reasons. Yeah these people have earned the good hijabis and goid muslims the bad name.
And im sure you understand the muslim environment in the west better than me because i dobt live there so cant asses. The only time i travelled to west for vacation was long time ago when religious extremism was unheard of. Racism was there for asians but not on the basis of religion. These issues after after that so i would not know the dynamics now. Alot has changed since then. I will have to be in your environment to fylly grasp what you are saying about the aggrassion of female hijabis.
Wow that sound yummy fresh garlic butter. But do you freeze butter ahain after adding garlic and herbs or apply straight away? To the bread? Wobt it be water and garlic paste runny?
some people told my parents not to let me go out alone as i was so simple straight forward and open that could be very easily tricked because people here are different. They habitually lie, deceive and have fun doing that. Well and it happened. So after suffering a good dose of deceit and lies and seeing the higher ups supporting the criminals like their own or for the greed of money, i am no more interested to socialize with these filthy aliens. Just seeing a fully clothed but free woman out of her house for anything raises their testerones. Most of them dont abstain from doing the most immoral acts to trap her in different ways to get her attention. They assume that a free independent woman is their property whether or not she likes it. Her will is not important. And they assume an alpha woman to be immoral just like them. There are exceptions everywhere but majority are the same. A society is made up by the majority.