Mutah (Aqad-e-Ghair Daimi) [ continued….. ]

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>>> This is in continuation of the last thread on Mutta, which has been closed because of my lingo problem. <<<

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I heartily apologize Ramesha and Syed for being harsh at words. By saying “chauvinist pigs and bitches”, I mean to say uncivilized populace who without any respect for others modesty wants to follow those specific animal behaviors – food and sex.

Sorry !

Let continue our discussion in a civilized way;

Dear Paan Masala, thank you for your kind reply. However I am very sorry to observe your thoughts. You didn’t get my point sir.

Do you think a female is a toy piece made for the enjoyment for males? If this is the case as you are presenting then my question still remains the same, “What is the need of such modest relationship – the husband and wife”?

Your argument is one sided and DOES NOT in any way gives equality to feminine class.

By supporting this erroneous belief you are trying to give male hunger a legal blanket.

PS: Golaganda ji, I don’t have any reference from any religious book to quote for such an inhumane law. I can only share my thoughts in civilized color. Perhaps you are the people of the book – pull out some examples please.

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Originally posted by nanga ]: PS: Golaganda ji, I don’t have any reference from any religious book to quote for such an inhumane law. I can only share my thoughts in civilized color. Perhaps you are the people of the book – pull out some examples please.

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I did not mean I know more than you or I know somebody who knows more than you because we all are participating on our owns , and personally I believe , we should come to the conclusion by getting help from the Quran , my point was why not we people sit together and give evidences of proof and discuss.

I did not mean I know the conclusion or whatever you say I don't agree or I will stay at my point , actually we haven't reach to any concluding points because of taking into personals , lets study the Quran together and try to find out the conclusion of the topic.

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Nanga and Mehak:

Dekho yaaron, for Mutaa the man has to get his wives permission. You can relate this to the issue of having 4 wives, but thats another topic. Allah said (not in exact words) Nothing allures a man more than a woman... Aqalmand ke liye ishaara hi qaafi hai.

Mera hi example lo yaar, main 23 saal ka hun, aur amreeka main akayla rehta hun. I don't have any family here. Now, we all know how its over here. Its really hard to control oneslef. Aakhir insaan hain, ghalat taraf toh dimaag jaata hi hai. Toh is liye agar (maan lo) main yahaan kisi gori se 2-3 saal ke liye shaadi kar lun, aur uss ka kharcha uthaaun toh iss tarah, it just makes my stay easier. Now if I were married, I'd have had to consult my wife before doing this. I dunno... TUM LOG MERI BAAT KA MATLAB SAMAJH RAHE HO YA NAHIN??????

Islam main women's rights ke baare main toh Mehak aap mujh se ziada achhi tarah jaanti hongi. Aurat ko sab se badaa darjaa diyaa jaata hai. Lekin, ek Aadmi ki zindagi itni asaan nahin hoti.

One more thing: I don't hate either one of you. I am sorry Nanga if I said anything offensive earlier.

...aur bhayya, kaise ho?

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Originally posted by Paan Masala:
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Mera hi example lo yaar, main 23 saal ka hun, aur amreeka main akayla rehta hun. I don't have any family here. Now, we all know how its over here. Its really hard to control oneslef. Aakhir insaan hain, ghalat taraf toh dimaag jaata hi hai. Toh is liye agar (maan lo) main yahaan kisi gori se 2-3 saal ke liye shaadi kar lun, aur uss ka kharcha uthaaun toh iss tarah, it just makes my stay easier. Now if I were married, I'd have had to consult my wife before doing this. I dunno... TUM LOG MERI BAAT KA MATLAB SAMAJH RAHE HO YA NAHIN??????

Islam main women's rights ke baare main toh Mehak aap mujh se ziada achhi tarah jaanti hongi. Aurat ko sab se badaa darjaa diyaa jaata hai. Lekin, ek Aadmi ki zindagi itni asaan nahin hoti.

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I dont want to take you guys off the track... but have you ever considered what a women should do in your place pann masala. Living alone in NY studing 23 years old....would you give her this choice...

ek Aadmi ki zindagi itni asaan nahin hoti.<< and womens lives are very easy....this total BS and comletely sexist bigot

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Yaar, tum nahin samjho ge. Aur mere paas tumhe samjhaane ka koi tareeqa bhi nahin.

...aur bhayya, kaise ho?

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>> Those who are away from their homes and wives for a specific period of time.<<

Please define duration of that “specific period”?

>> its just like a regular marriage, only for a limited period though.<<

Please also elaborate this point. Whats the minimum and maximum duration of stay with that girl.

>> for Mutaa the man has to get his wives permission. <<

Ok girls I need your help over here…

Paan Masalay show me a single girl which will allow her husband to go for it. Woman can’t tolerate even her hubby’s secretaries or college friends phone calls, or gazes in the malls…. How can this permit be availed from the wives? You have any word of advice for that?

Another question. Is it mandatory to acquire a mutah-to-be-girl from outside the shia community? As I assume from your thoughts that a girl should be an outsider. (might be a wrong presumption)

I think you better read my post deeply once more and reply honestly. And as golaganda mentions please share the references for this belief of yours.

minime and mehak also has a line of reasoning, please answer them as appropriate.

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nanga,

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you dont get the point. you are very ignorant. You have no clue and no idea about what you are saying. Mutah is a very sensitive topic and you "really dont know what are u talking about?"
Dont make fun of Mutah (sunnat-e-rasool) if u dont know about it.
"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubts"

I agree with one point though that there are some people who abuse Mutah but its not the purpose of allowing Mutah.

The whole purpose of "allowing" Mutah is to :
*Give support to a widow or divorced Woman
*Keep yourself away from a Sin

Is that better to commit zina? or is that better to have a commitment with a girl to be her husband?

The conditions of Mutah (marriage) are:
*One must recite the aqd(sentence of acceptance)
**You need a witness
**there is the condition of Iddat
**There is the condition of Mehar
**Any kid born will have father's last name and father will be responsible to take care of the kid
* Mutah can be and most of the time is changed into Marriage (Permananet Nikah)
**Mutah is normally practised during wartime when widows of shuhada need support.
**Approval of wife to do it. "If the wife says no, mutah is batil (not right)

*"if anybody fails to follow the conditions of Mutah, its NOT mutah, its zina (sin)."

Now let me ask you this,
**Whats the difference between aqd-daime (the nikah or shadis that you normally do) with the permission of giving divorce and Mutah? Well, you are allowing those kinda Nikahs where a Male can destroy a female life by just yelling "Talaq, Talaq, Talq (divorce)" three times and its all over. Wow! and when somebody talks about keeping yourself away from Sin, that hurts you. What a double standard policy.

Let me ask you this, how many guys do you know who have a wife in Pakistan and are "dating, gambling, raping, and drinking beer" in Uk or USA? Maybe few. I know them. I know quite a few of them.
You really wanna know what they do?
Ok here. They call their parents in Pakistan and then call their wives and tell them how much they love them. Then, the same nite they get dressed and go do "partying" and "clubbing". Where the hell are these things coming from? Why double standards?
Why going insane and crazy for lust?
Why not be honest and truthful?
Do you like that kinda life style? I guess Yes. Thats why you are against Mutah that much.

The stuff I mentioned above is called cheating, flirting, clubbing, dating, going out with girls or lets put it one way "filth" or "munaffiqat". Saying something else and doing something else. This is a terrible disease.
Is that better than having a commitment with a woman and giving her the rights to be a wife?

Its "very very very" difficult to completely follow the procedure of Mutah. You think, its a joke, its not Mr. You need courage and guts to explain Mutah to a girl. Believe it or not, a western girl will go miles away from you if you ask her to do Mutah (Nikah) to you. Yes offcourse if you ask her to go out with you (which many of your freinds do), she'll be more than happy to do that with you. Is that better than having a commitment?

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Sincerely,
Humble.

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Humble let me read your post line by line.

>> Dont make fun of Mutah (sunnat-e-rasool) <<

wow is it really a sunnat-e-rasool – man you are great, I am learning over on this forum. By the way which rasool? Do you have any authenticity to support that? we would all like to glimpse that.

well precisely you are making fun of your faith by yourself.

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Hey Nangey,
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I am not making fun of anybody or anything because its against Islam to do that. Is that allowed for you?
Mutah was practised during the time of Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w.w) and Hazrat Abu Bakar. The whole purpose of Mutah was to give support to widows and divorced women.
I really feel sorry for you because you are very ignorant and also stubborn.
I will NOT spend any more time explaining it to you because you are quite ignorant and stubborn. I consider it a waste of time to talk to ignorant ones like you.
See there is a difference between "Asking questions for the sake of learning" and "making fun of others". You are an expert in doing the second thing.
May Allah have mercy on u .
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Humble.

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I wonder why people go off at a tangent and make excuses and accuses instead of supporting their ideologies with reference works.

Sir you may go as you like but next time when you try to present something, come up with homework done.

Mohammet-sa, never performed muttah or asked his ummah to follow that, I am a parha-likha-jahil, haven’t heard of such an statement before. Where did you read that declaration?

As for Abu Bakar Siddiq, probable you don’t believe in him so no point to dray his personality in your comments.

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Nangey,
Go get clothes!
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I wonder how much you get paid to create this hatred among Muslims. By the way I am siddiqui, last name siddiqui and I am the heir of "Mohammed bin Abi Bakr". If you know the history, go check who's son was he? Got it! I have my shajra (ancestory link) with me so you are most welcome to see it.

And here you are again. Without any arguments. Well, this is a lesson for you til next time,
"Dont open your mouth if you dont know what you are talking about"

Ok, a friendly suggestion, free of cost.

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Humble.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Humble:
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I wonder how much you get paid to create this hatred among Muslims. By the way I am siddiqui, last name siddiqui and I am the heir of "Mohammed bin Abi Bakr". If you know the history, go check who's son was he? Got it! I have my shajra (ancestory link) with me so you are most welcome to see it.

And here you are again. Without any arguments. Well, this is a lesson for you til next time,
"Dont open your mouth if you dont know what you are talking about"

Ok, a friendly suggestion, free of cost.

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Humble.**
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Humble don't just give offensive comment , nanga's point is valid , if u r saying mutah is Sunat e RAsul give example for that and about the parents of Hazrat Abu Bakar , what is ur point explain.
I believe you all people know the rules of witness , when you give your comments , you give everything what you know , you don't hide anything , if you call it a sunnat e rasul(SA) , explain how come , and if you have said something about HAzrat Abu BAkar's parents , explain what do you mean ?

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enough.