Muslims support UK's ban on Zakir Naik

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Re: Muslims support UK's ban on Zakir Naik

honestly all these reasons still dont justify the ban. Again whatever happened to freedom of speech. That too in a country like britain.

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Iconoclast, you can disagree with me wholeheartedly. But you need to agree that your calling my post "emotional" was wrong.

Most sects with different sources and with all their prejudices reached a near-consensus about the kind of person Yazid was.

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He is not making decisions on anyones behalf, everyone makes his own decision.
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But this decision of his shows how far away from Muslims his views can be. This is why such a person is untrustworthy.

Are you yourself willing to trust a person who shows such a blatant error in judgment? I don't know the answer. But that group of British Muslims doesn't.
And** there is nothing "emotional" about it**, as you and psyah were insisting.

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Its double standard that you curse the personalities that are revered by majority of muslims and consider it your right, but, if Z-N revers Yazid, you are not willing to extend this right to him.
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I don't curse anyone. This comment of yours only shows YOUR prejudiced side, Mr. moderator. And it shows why you would support a person like Zakir Naik. Congratulations.

But let's stereotype and generalize, and say that I do curse some personalities revered by majority of Muslims. But then, this is why majority of Muslims won't trust what I would say.
**Isn't it what I have been saying? **The choice of personalities of people for reverence makes a person trustworthy or not. And since you just agreed with me on this, then what is the point you are trying to make?

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Re: Muslims support UK's ban on Zakir Naik

^ off-topic but i luv ur signature khoji

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Re: Muslims support UK's ban on Zakir Naik

So if all muslims agre on something, any dissenting view should be banned.

Bravo, to your tolerance.

You have re-enforced my view of religiously people being prejudiced, intolerant and discriminatory.

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If you are referring to the decision by that group of British Muslims then I would say his views are not banned, he is.

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I went that route because of psyah's comment. And then Iconoclast picked it up.

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Re: Muslims support UK's ban on Zakir Naik

Forgive Yazid on the pretext he was not invloved in Kerbala's incident but then why he did not punish Ibn e Ziad or sack him?

And then why his army invaded Makkah and destroyed Kaba?

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Re: Muslims support UK's ban on Zakir Naik

About ZN, in one of his speeches his followers in audience were litterally humuliating the Christian scholar and ZN was cunningly smiling. It appears he is there for money and personal fame and got nothing to do about Islam.

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Re: Muslims support UK's ban on Zakir Naik

Peace All

It serves the outsiders no purpose to stop Dr Zakir Naik over what he said regarding Yazid. It was purely to do with the way he used the term 'terrorist'. He aught to apologise for his words and explain what he meant. But instead he is justifying his words. This is my personal view.

However, Muslims aught to look at the whole Britain thing with a clear head. They are trying to exploit the differences we already have amongst ourselves. And we are playing in to their hands. Let him in to the UK based on the premise that he is no threat to the UK this is what I am saying.

For every Ahmadi, Shi'ah, Isma'ili, etc who I disagree with, I would not blame them for something their were not blameworthy of, Zakir Naik is not blameworthy for what he is being accused of regarding entry to Britain, this is obvious.

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Re: Muslims support UK’s ban on Zakir Naik

This is the real reason why they want him out

Because they have found the area specific to how he differs from many Muslims and they are using that to allegedly show that Muslims of UK want him out (as if we agree with the stance of the government i.e. that he is a liability for terrorism … no Muslim here can honestly say that Dr Zakir Naik advocates terrorism) …

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Psyah,

Why did you say that Muslims are opposing Naik due to “emotional reasons”?

you said earlier:

So there really need to be a grand “strategy” from Yahood o Nasara to stop the great Naik?! Who do you think he really is?

As far as rifts are concerned, they are present due to Muslims themselves. There is no need for anyone to create those rifts. And Naik himself is biggest controversial person who created another rift by declaring Yazid to be razi-allah.

“If he (Osama) is terrorizing America the terrorist, I am with him.” “Every Muslim is a terrorist”

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IConoclast:

zakir can believe whatever he wants to believe. he may even have Yazid the drunkard as his Caliph. but that fact wouldnt make him a really likeable character now would it?

and i still see no reason why he should be defended. " If Osama is terrorising America then everyone should be a terrorist"?? what is that supposed to mean? lame..

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Peace no Muslim can honestly say that Dr Zakir Naik advocates terrorism, the reason for intentionally backing the media is because of your other problems with him. Look at the previous video to see his contrasted stance against terrorism and the real reason why UK want him out. It is because he openly declares the purpose of the media engine.

I don’t agree with his stance on Yazid, but at the same time I don’t agree with your stance on Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (RA), Umar (RA), or Uthman (RA), it doesn’t mean I should have you boycotted for a statement of yours that I take out of context.

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No one has to like Z-N, but, his views should nto be a reason to shut him out.

Khoji, you have edited your post after i replied to it-not fair.

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if i go public with my cursing of any sahabi then that WOULD cause resentment would it not? if i keep it to myself and do not proclaim what i believe then would be another case. Zakir Naik went public with his demented views on Yazid. The same thing would happen with a shia speaker who gets rowdy with his cursing. Have seen it many times. Sunnies have all the right to reject the majalis of the shias and the shias in turn have all the right to reject people like Zakir.

Coming back to the original topic..what i dont understand is why the urgency to use words like "terrorism"? listening to his rebutall on Qta he said (paraphrase) : " if a thief sees a cop he gets terrorised, so a cop is a terrorist for the thief, so every muslim should be a terrorist". Now thats not a very nice analogy and i strongly believe that he could have made his point in other more appropriate words. That guy needs to revise his whole strategy

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exactly. i don’t know why people start bringing their “other” issues. those two groups supporting the ban are just being emotional and nothing more.

Why? if Bush can use the words, what should stop the Muslim? People need to get out of this mentality. Dare mention jihad in public and muslim apologetics would go crazy dissasociating with the speaker.

and please keep everything in context. listen again:

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Re: Muslims support UK’s ban on Zakir Naik

here’s the interview:

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Peace Geist

First of all you can resent who you like, personally I would have you resent no one, but obviously you would prefer us to resent those who you resent. "Going public with a viewpoint" is big fat red herring. Privately loving or hating someone or publically doing so has NO bearing on the threat of that person to the country. This is the topic we are talking about.

In you second paragraph your honesty is shining through. You are saying exactly what I am saying, that Dr Zakir Naik has been tactless with his words. However, I'm saying that being tactless is not the premise for being banned to enter a country.

The emotional argument is hence "Because I hate him for his beliefs, even though he still may present no THREAT at all, but I will still agree on his ban and support those who want to ban him, even though I am fully aware that either he is being taken out of context or he has been tactless or both"

This reasoning is what many Muslims are convincing themselves of as justification to support the ban. My views on Dr. Zakir Naik are neutral, I like the work he has done and think he really needs to get some authentic traditional experience with real scholars, apart from that I don't think the UK will be doing him 'fair' justice according to their own standards for preventing him to enter the UK.

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Re: Muslims support UK's ban on Zakir Naik

I am sure Goverment must have its reasons for banning him....but I personally consider this to be right....if they think he is breaking the law and give him a fair trial.

I was more distured that everyone who donated money for the conferece to get a VIP seat and I am talking about thousands of pounds will not get any penny back!

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u need to be kicked out of bhopal....

oh wait you already are :D