Muslims Role in USA Politics

Muslims in USA voted unanimously for John Kerry for no obvious reasons and now that Mr. Kerry has lost the elections they are sitting behind like losers. Did Kerry meet any of these idiots or so called leaders of Muslim community and assure them that he will support Muslims in USA and around the globe? Answer is NO. Did John Kerry openly express his support for Palestine or Kashmir? Of course answer is NO. As a matter of fact he was a stronger supporter of Israel. So it means that Muslims in USA supported Kerry because he was less evil? What a horrendous political sophistication expressed by Muslims! Did they ever think what if bush won the election (which he finally did)….As a community they opposed him and his administration…..They burnt all of their boats without realizing that they are a weak and from a political standpoint useless community in USA. What now…. Any backup plans my dear Muslim community leaders? …..Shame on you for leading your fellow Muslim brothers in wrong direction.

Muslims should realize that they have absolutely no role to play in USA politics as a community (at least for now). They are not strong enough both financially and numerically to develop a pressure group. It is absolute foolishness on behalf of Muslims in USA to support one candidate or a party so openly because of their few votes which are dispersed all over the country. History tells us that the ultimate winner of the elections never cared about Muslims anyway because of their weak political position.

Instead Muslims in every state should focus on their own state supporting the strongest candidate for senate and congress elections. Fund him with open heart regardless of his democratic or republican background. Chances are much more brighter that the winner will bother taking care of Muslims voters for his own political benefits. These congressmen and senators play a vital role in setting up USA policies. Muslims should also be more prepared to embrace the American way of life and not isolate themselves from mainstream society.

One of my relatives is very active in the Islamic community here and is involved in a lot of things. During the 2001 Eid, the title of the Khutba at the main Eid prayer was involving yourself in the American political system, and said pretty much what your post said.

According to my relative, they recieved atleast 500 emails from Muslims denouncing the khutba, saying that how could the Islamic community here support the democratic system, which is responsible for so much suffering for the Muslims. Yes I know it defies logic and he was very puzzled too.

According to him the people who were most against the khutba were .... take a guess... Arabs!

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Muslims should also be more prepared to embrace the American way of life and not isolate themselves from mainstream society.
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This Eid I went to a smaller mosque, one of those "independent" ones, where everything is done in Urdu, not English or Arabic. The theme of the Khutba was thanking Allah for all the blessings during Eid, and how we should be equally thankful everyday, not just Eid day. Sounds like a good topic, but the delivery was terrible.

Mullah jee started by condeming the American Thanksgiving holiday and how these Americans are never thankful for anything, and just do it during Thanksgiving. Let's assume I had invited one of my non Muslim and American friends' to attend, they would have no doubt thought that mullah jee was putting down American culture and trying to isolate Muslims from American culture.

Mr Phoenixdesi,

I think you are a little bit off the mark when you say that the Muslim community has failed due to the results of the election. Perhaps the Muslim communities do not yet have a huge political advantage but the election was extremely close - with the help of votes cast by Muslims for Kerry. Although he lost the election, it was a very, very close race and a smart politician knows where the votes come from. And every little bit helps. Politicians in the next election will be aware...so it really wasnt a waste to cast a vote for the "loser". You will never, ever see a politician in the US openly express support for Kashmir or Palestine....thats political suicide. Better to just vaguely speak of a better foreign policy like Kerry did.

Although you say that Kerry supports Israel, I think he has a better view of foreign policy than does Mr Bush. Bush is already pushing to go into Iran now...Kerry I think, would have a better plan and make a better attempt at creating a foreign policy that better fits the world situation.

SUpporting senate and congressional candidates is always a good idea. But dont under-estimate the power of the vote for president. However small, it DID make a statement!

spineless vs the chimp (chimp won!!)

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You will never, ever see a politician in the US openly express support for Kashmir or Palestine....thats political suicide. Better to just vaguely speak of a better foreign policy like Kerry did.

Although you say that Kerry supports Israel, I think he has a better view of foreign policy than does Mr Bush. Bush is already pushing to go into Iran now...Kerry I think, would have a better plan and make a better attempt at creating a foreign policy that better fits the world situation.
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let me understand your logic: kerry did not have the spine to come out and say what he would or would not do about iraq or iran or palestine, he left it all "vague" because he did not want to "committ political suicide".

BUT

Bush came out said what he was going to do. He said before, during and after the campaign what he is going to do, including possibility of attacking iran, and his un-ambigous support for israel.

BUSH WON. It was NOT really a close election, Chimp won with more then 3 million votes.

Bush won because he is the voice of majority americans. Majority americans are christians.

If it is ok for muslim ummah to rediscover their faith and religion and support those (directly and indirectly) who are fighting (or claim to be fighting) in the name of their religion, then why is it so bad for christians to finally wake-up to the re-awakening of islamic tide world wide and elect a president who represents their views.

The games have just begun, put on your seat belt and get ready for some real thrills.

what is funny

"I am prepared to have that fight because I can wage a better war on terrorism than George Bush has." j kerry

both are same, same goal, what is funny one is goin to do less harm...

"It is not fitting for a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) have any option in their decision; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in plain error" [TMQ 33: 36].

PD, source plz :D

It is absolutely ridiculous to say that Muslims leaders have failed because they supported Kerry. Muslims didn’t vote for Bush mainly due to war in Iraq. Only that reason is justifiable enough to vote for Kerry. And who would have known before elections that Bush is going to win? Majority of America including Muslims thought that Kerry would win. Even a day before election the presidential race was at dead heat. PD, the way you wrote is seems like you are trying to say that Muslims voted for Kerry knowingly that he would lose. Which is not the case, 3 million of margin is not a big one. I would consider it as extremely close race.

Hey whatever happened to the separation of church and state
whatcha-me-call-it-thingy. Ohh I guess that only looks good in the marketing glossies. In NY i see Pakistan day parade (14th Aug ) and Turkish day parade etc, I don’t see Muslim day parade. Samething with Israeli day parade where all the jews turnout. So it’s ok for jews to rally behind Israel (since it is one country), but the muslims can’t rally behind one country. So for muslims to vote as muslims doesn’t and will not solve any issues (that muslims see example Kashmir, Palestine etc). I voted for Kerry not because I am a muslim; I voted for him because the stock markets do well with Democrats in power. My friggin 401k dwindled to a all time low under bush, so now he(Bush) is cutting into my personal finances and that my friends is a no no :nono3:. I can’t really speak of other muslims but I think if Pakistani muslims in U.S rally as pakistani muslims it will make a difference rather than getting lost in the big Muslim Sea.

Edit: BTW there was an excellent article on U.S elections in NYTimes this sat nov 20 2004 by Nicholas Kristoff. I cant seem to find it on their web site but if I do I will paste it in the thread. He basically spoke about getting rid of electoral votes (I dis agree), changing district zoning( I agree) and making campaign contributions anonymous over $500(I agree).

Here is the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/20/opinion/20kristof.html?oref=login

In Iraq shortly before the war, I had an icy conversation about Iraqi elections with one of Saddam’s goons. “What do you mean by ‘sham’?” he asked.
“Look, Saddam gets a lot of votes, but no one’s running against him,” I protested. “If you only have one candidate who can win, that’s not a real election!”
Oops. I spoke too soon. The U.S. electoral system looks increasingly dysfunctional, and those of us who used to mock the old Soviet or Iraqi “elections” for lacking competition ought to be blushing.
In Arkansas, 75 percent of state legislative races this year were uncontested by either the Republicans or by the Democrats. The same was true of 73 percent of the seats in Florida, 70 percent in South Carolina, 62 percent in New Mexico.
And Congressional races were an embarrassment. Only seven incumbents in the House of Representatives lost their seats this month. Four of those were in Texas, where the Republican Legislature gerrymandered Democrats out of their seats.
Granted, gubernatorial and U.S. Senate races are often still competitive. But, increasingly, to be elected to the House once is to be elected for life. As David Broder of The Washington Post put it, the House is becoming like the British House of Lords.
So what’s the cure for our electoral diseases? Here are three ideas:
Have nonpartisan experts draw up boundaries for Congressional districts after each census. Both Republicans and Democrats have shamelessly drawn boundaries to serve their own needs, and that’s one reason Congressional races are so uncompetitive. Normally, state legislatures do the redistricting, but Iowa and Arizona have handed the responsibility over to independent commissions.
Eliminate the Electoral College, so that the president is chosen by popular vote. This was seriously discussed as a constitutional amendment after the 1968 election, when George Wallace’s third-party candidacy could have prevented Richard Nixon from receiving a majority of the electoral vote. And in this election, if just 21,000 voters had changed their votes in Nevada, New Mexico and Iowa, the electoral vote would have been tied and the choice of the president would have gone to the House.
“We don’t run elections well enough to have clear winners that we all accept if it’s really close,” said Rob Richie, executive director of the Center for Voting and Democracy. “I think if the winning side had been ahead by only 20,000 votes in Ohio, the losing side wouldn’t have accepted it.”
It’s time for America to develop the kind of full-fledged popular-vote democracy that is enjoyed by, say, the good people of Afghanistan.
Funnel campaign donations through a blind trust. The funkiest idea in politics is to make donations anonymous even to the recipient. Citizens would make contributions through a blind trust, so that candidates wouldn’t know to whom they were beholden.
If officials don’t know who their major contributors are, they can’t invite them to spend the night in the Lincoln Bedroom or write tax loopholes. A donor might boast about having made a contribution, but special interests will realize they can save money by telling politicians that they have donated when they haven’t, and then politicians will doubt these boasts.
Such a system of shielding names of donors exists in 10 states, to some degree, for judicial candidates. A provocative book by Bruce Ackerman and Ian Ayres, “Voting With Dollars,” makes an excellent case that the system be applied more broadly, but we need some innovative state (Oregon, do you hear that?) to take the leap.
Chile is a nice role model. While the U.S. was finishing campaigns that were another embarrassing roll in the hay for politicians and lobbyists, Chile was holding its first elections using a new law with a blind trust for campaign donations of more than $500. Patricio Navia, a Chilean elections specialist at New York University, says the system has loopholes but is a big improvement.
“It’s a clever idea,” he said. “It’s a promising way of separating special interests and politicians.”
Our nation’s founders were forthright and creative in establishing our political system. Today we need to be just as forthright in recognizing that the system is often dysfunctional - and just as creative in fixing it. If we’re willing to introduce vigorous, competitive democracies in Iraq, why not do the same at home?