Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
If you are really religious person please go & pray in private area & don't become a public spectacle. I have seen people praying at six flag while people standing around looking at them. Being religious is fine...but keep it to yourself.
Are you muslim? If yes, then why does some muslims fulfilling their religious obligation make you feel insecure about yourself? I think you should rather focus on that part instead of worrying about people offering their namaz on time.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
How can they pray in public? I’m interested to know. Finding a quite place and saying a prayer? Or they have obligatory five times prayers like Muslims which they have to perform through certain actions?
As with OP. I doubt these people made a decision that 'oh today is a sunny day, let’s all go out on the beach to pray namaaz!". :halo:
Most probably there was no nearby Mosque. In case you don’t know, Islam has clear instructions against missing/delaying obligatory prayers for petty reasons! One of them would be that someone will open up a thread and complain that why cant they keep their religion ‘private’.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
I remember there was an event organized by someone on Facebook called "fajr on the beach". Thought it was cool and nearly went but then I thought it might unnecessarily freak people out.
I don't feel comfortable with the idea of prayer done so publicly. I don't get the sense people are being authentic when they do this, they are trying to make a show of it to people that "look this is how we pray and we are in your public space so deal with it", and that's not what namaz means to me. It's a personal experience and south Florida has many mosques now in reachable areas.
Reading namaz in public like in local parks is really common as in at events where people throw personal parties in the parks. And sometimes if it's in clear view of passerby's they notice, and some of them do visibly get uncomfortable.
But at the same time , homosexuality is now public to the point that shows at 8-10 pm slots are showing two women making out or two men making out or cuddling, so if I'm now subjugated to watch that when it doesn't sit well with my morals then eff it, we can pray in public places and people can be offended all they want.
There are areas on the public beach here , not nude beaches, but public beach area on south beach where gays are engaging in sexual acts openly. And people are weirded out by namaz. It's sad.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
I remember there was an event organized by someone on Facebook called "fajr on the beach". Thought it was cool and nearly went but then I thought it might unnecessarily freak people out.
I don't feel comfortable with the idea of prayer done so publicly. I don't get the sense people are being authentic when they do this, they are trying to make a show of it to people that "look this is how we pray and we are in your public space so deal with it", and that's not what namaz means to me. It's a personal experience and south Florida has many mosques now in reachable areas.
Reading namaz in public like in local parks is really common as in at events where people throw personal parties in the parks. And sometimes if it's in clear view of passerby's they notice, and some of them do visibly get uncomfortable.
But at the same time , homosexuality is now public to the point that shows at 8-10 pm slots are showing two women making out or two men making out or cuddling, so if I'm now subjugated to watch that when it doesn't sit well with my morals then eff it, we can pray in public places and people can be offended all they want.
There are areas on the public beach here , not nude beaches, but public beach area on south beach where gays are engaging in sexual acts openly. And people are weirded out by namaz. It's sad.
The sad thing is not that people are weirded out by namaz. The big sad thing is that muslims are weirded out by it. Their lame arguments make it even more sad.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
I'm all for offering your prayers on time....but there's something about praying on a beach where non-Muslims may be scantily-clad that makes me wonder about the acceptance of one's ibaadat. I haven't watched the clip, I don't know whether the namazis shared the beach with others at that time, but why put yourself in such a place? I've seen others pray in malls and even outside on the side of the road (during long road trips) - so praying discreetly in public doesn't faze me. But on a beach?
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
I'm all for offering your prayers on time....but there's something about praying on a beach where non-Muslims may be scantily-clad that makes me wonder about the acceptance of one's ibaadat. I haven't watched the clip, I don't know whether the namazis shared the beach with others at that time, but why put yourself in such a place? I've seen others pray in malls and even outside on the side of the road (during long road trips) - so praying discreetly in public doesn't faze me. But on a beach?
The clip consists more of commentary that is mocking those who panicked over it. If they happened to be at the beach, there's nothing wrong with praying there.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
I'm all for offering your prayers on time....but there's something about praying on a beach where non-Muslims may be scantily-clad that makes me wonder about the acceptance of one's ibaadat. I haven't watched the clip, I don't know whether the namazis shared the beach with others at that time, but why put yourself in such a place? I've seen others pray in malls and even outside on the side of the road (during long road trips) - so praying discreetly in public doesn't faze me. But on a beach?
The good thing is - that's one thing that only Allah knows and decides, not humans!
If you look at the clip, and pause the beach praying scene, it seems like a 'quiet'/isolated spot and what's more important is that they seemed to be praying near a car park. So clearly, the men tried their best to find a quiet (and less naked corner) on beach to pray.
They probably didn't realise that even they are seemingly alone on the beach on a grey looking day, someone may have been filming them from far.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
I remember there was an event organized by someone on Facebook called "fajr on the beach". Thought it was cool and nearly went but then I thought it might unnecessarily freak people out.
I don't feel comfortable with the idea of prayer done so publicly. I don't get the sense people are being authentic when they do this, they are trying to make a show of it to people that "look this is how we pray and we are in your public space so deal with it", and that's not what namaz means to me. It's a personal experience and south Florida has many mosques now in reachable areas.
Reading namaz in public like in local parks is really common as in at events where people throw personal parties in the parks. And sometimes if it's in clear view of passerby's they notice, and some of them do visibly get uncomfortable.
But at the same time , homosexuality is now public to the point that shows at 8-10 pm slots are showing two women making out or two men making out or cuddling, so if I'm now subjugated to watch that when it doesn't sit well with my morals then eff it, we can pray in public places and people can be offended all they want.
There are areas on the public beach here , not nude beaches, but public beach area on south beach where gays are engaging in sexual acts openly. And people are weirded out by namaz. It's sad.
Why bring gays into the picture? If it is open display of sexuality, you could have used the example of straights also.
This in a nutshell is the problem. People want equal rights for themselves and those of their kind - in this case faith. But don't bat an eyelid before bashing another minority.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
That said how do Christians and hindus pray if they are in the middle east. Public display would invite summary execution I suppose.
Knowing is better than supposing :-)
It depends on your definition of Middle East. Things are quite different country to country.
Some other points
1- Muslims are not just middle eastern
2- looking at the worse examples from Middle East are really not something to aspire to be.
Hopefully the argument is not one which goes along the lines of .. Muslim in Saudi Arabia treat minorities poorly so people elsewhere can treat Muslims in those places poorly.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
Why bring gays into the picture? If it is open display of sexuality, you could have used the example of straights also.
This in a nutshell is the problem. People want equal rights for themselves and those of their kind - in this case faith. But don't bat an eyelid before bashing another minority.
Pretty soon someone will start bashing gay Muslims kissing after praying in public.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
I'm all for offering your prayers on time....but there's something about praying on a beach where non-Muslims may be scantily-clad that makes me wonder about the acceptance of one's ibaadat. I haven't watched the clip, I don't know whether the namazis shared the beach with others at that time, but why put yourself in such a place? I've seen others pray in malls and even outside on the side of the road (during long road trips) - so praying discreetly in public doesn't faze me. But on a beach?
Acceptance of one's ibaadat is strictly in the hands of the Creator. Who are we to wonder or question?
It has been oft said that the prayers of a kafir may be accepted over and above the prayer of a Muslim depending on many factors.
Allah knows best.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
Knowing is better than supposing :-)
It depends on your definition of Middle East. Things are quite different country to country.
Some other points
1- Muslims are not just middle eastern
2- looking at the worse examples from Middle East are really not something to aspire to be.
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Hopefully the argument is not one which goes along the lines of .. Muslim in Saudi Arabia treat minorities poorly so people elsewhere can treat Muslims in those places poorly.**
The argument is about the posters here who would definitely freak out if some random christian or hindu tried to pray publicly in a public place in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
If these people really wanted to pray and be heard by God, it would have made sense for them to leave the beach early and go home and pray.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
The argument is about the posters here who would definitely freak out if some random christian or hindu tried to pray publicly in a public place in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
If these people really wanted to pray and be heard by God, it would have made sense for them to leave the beach early and go home and pray.
I don't know which posters would freak out if some random anyone tried to pray anywhere...did not see anyone make that argument.
as far as praying goes, i don't think god cares where you pray...as mirza ghalib says
Ghalib Sharab Peene De Masjid Mein Beth Ker,
Ya Wo Jagah Bata Jahan Khuda Nahi
Unless they are breaking any ordinance, I don't see a problem. Their praying in some little patch does not affect me and should not affect anyone else.
Je suis worshippers
oh wait, I spoke too soon, i guess i did figure out at least one poster here who freaked out about someone praying in a public place.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
@X2 -- Do you seriously think most of the posters here would be OK if they came to know that a group of hindus were praying publicly in Saudi.
From my perspective, I used to found it odd to pray at public places. With the noise and distractions, I always felt it was difficult to be attentive to the prayer. That said, I am more of a agnostic now.
As I said before, if they felt that they needed to pray at the exact time, they should have wound up their fun time and gone back to their homes. It is not as if they were travelling and had no choice.
They were in a place that is meant for recreation. What if a group of people started talking loudly nearby.
Re: Muslims Praying On Beach Causes PANIC In Florida
@X2 -- Do you seriously think most of the posters here would be OK if they came to know that a group of hindus were praying publicly in Saudi.
From my perspective, I used to found it odd to pray at public places. With the noise and distractions, I always felt it was difficult to be attentive to the prayer. That said, I am more of a agnostic now.
As I said before, if they felt that they needed to pray at the exact time, they should have wound up their fun time and gone back to their homes. It is not as if they were travelling and had no choice.
They were in a place that is meant for recreation. What if a group of people started talking loudly nearby.
So its funny you keep quoting Saudia again and again while the first you should understand that there is a difference b/w Saudia and US. You can totally imagine hindu worshippers doing their worship in muslim countries like Turkey. Or Egypt. Or many African countries where if you know there are a ton of indians living forever.
And your suggestion to wind up their picnic to offer 2-4 rakaah namaz is totally absurd. So basically you are saying if anyone has to pray, from any religion, they should stay home and dont go near public places. Whats so harmful in people praying for 5 min? Why is it bothering you so much? Are you bothered if someone starts singing loudly at beach etc too? Wut about drinking/smoking/dancing activities? Do you want ladies to give up bikinis too as it might bother yr spouse or your young ones? I have a ton of examples, how many you want me to quote here we can discuss each and every case.