^ Ok so Kashmiri Muslims are never against the settlement of Hindus...... but that is for the native Kashmiri Hindus.....not for those that are now being cunningly settled in Kashmir in the name of Shrines etc.... Kashmiris can see the sinister tactics played by VHP/BJP & other Hindu fanatics and that's why you are seeing all these protests in Kashmir. Some of these protests even spilled into India and that's how innocent muslims were killed in Indore.
^ Ok so Kashmiri Muslims are never against the settlement of Hindus...... but that is for the native Kashmiri Hindus.....not for those that are now being cunningly settled in Kashmir in the name of Shrines etc.... Kashmiris can see the sinister tactics played by VHP/BJP & other Hindu fanatics and that's why you are seeing all these protests in Kashmir. Some of these protests even spilled into India and that's how innocent muslims were killed in Indore.
Saad_UAE come in India and be my guest, see the reality by yourself.
^ Ok so Kashmiri Muslims are never against the settlement of Hindus...... but that is for the native Kashmiri Hindus.....not for those that are now being cunningly settled in Kashmir in the name of Shrines etc.... Kashmiris can see the sinister tactics played by VHP/BJP & other Hindu fanatics and that's why you are seeing all these protests in Kashmir. Some of these protests even spilled into India and that's how innocent muslims were killed in Indore.
If you dont know about the situation why do you even try to take part in the discussion ....... why would kashmiri hindus need to be settled in yatra route ...... they are the natives of the land and dont need to be settled, they have been living there for last 1000 years +.
The crisis was over the land for hindus "visiting"an "exisiting shrine" ...... kashmiri's had no problems with these hindus ( from India) visiting the shrine ....... they had a problem with land being "sold"to set up new facilities for accomodationg these people. They were protesting about the land and not the hindus coming to visit the shrine. As much as you might potray the kashmiri muslims have no problems with the hindus of India .... as some people on this board might have ......
janab can you give this guy a 101 on kashmir crisis ....... he seems to be confused ....
Why do they have problems with Hindus buying land in Kashmir?
Especially this land is being used for Pilgrim facilities and is currently barren.
why would kashmiri hindus need to be settled in yatra route ...... they are the natives of the land and dont need to be settled, they have been living there for last 1000 years +.
Exactly, either you have no grasp of the situation or you are really playing dumb.
No body is settling Kashmiri Hindus on the yatra route and why would any if they already belonged to the area. Now shrines are being constructed and land is being handed over to the shrine boards to settle out of state Hindus (from UP, Bihar , Bengal etc) in the guise of religious activity, hence changing the demographics of the state. The concerns of Kashmiri muslims are valid , and they have demonstarted it in protests in tens of thousands of people in Srinagar and other areas of Kashmir. Local Hindu organizations arranged their own protests then in India and revenged with the innocent Muslims in Indore etc .
. Now shrines are being constructed and land is being handed over to the shrine boards to settle out of state Hindus (from UP, Bihar , Bengal etc) in the guise of religious activity, hence changing the demographics of the state.
Janab .... see what has happened ...... from a singular shrine board ... it has become "shrine boards".
Please Saad keep us enlightened with your opinions from UAE.
Some one mentioned about Indian's forgetting taking their anti-muslim pills. Well all i can say that we can stop taking that pill but what about you guys .... you are like Obelix ...... fell into a cauldron of anti-india potion as babies .....
Janab .... see what has happened ...... from a singular shrine board ... it has become "shrine boards".
Please Saad keep us enlightened with your opinions from UAE.
Some one mentioned about Indian's forgetting taking their anti-muslim pills. Well all i can say that we can stop taking that pill but what about you guys .... you are like Obelix ...... fell into a cauldron of anti-india potion as babies .....
Ok so now you can not even defend your ownself and need Janab to assist you to overcome your dumbness :D .............. Everything is clear, Kashmiri's do not want "Out of state Hindus" in Kashmir, a tactic to dilute their presence , hence you see all those mass protests in Kashmir.
If the land deal is wrong (as it will pollute Kashmiri forests with the presence of Hindoos) then is it not right if the VHP is asking Muslims to vaccate Mathura,Kasi,Dwaraka, as the presence of Muslims pollute the holy hindu shrines there? .
You apparently have no idea what you're talking about.
Most Kashmiri Muslims aren't outsiders who magically appeared in Kashmir. The are as much the descendants of the "original inhabitants" of Kashmir as the Pandits are. The fact that you're now sitting around questioning the "Kashmiriness" of 95% of Kashmiris only demonstrates what a bigot you are.
The agitation against the land transfer was never an attempt to keep Kashmiri Pandits out, or even to prevent non-Kashmiri Hindus from coming to Kashmir for their pilgrimage. Rather, it was about preventing the illegal transfer of our land to a board of non-Kashmiris.
As for the brutality of ,what do you think the police in Pakistan does when there are protestors in Paksitan....... put garlands ........should i post links of the brutal treatment of pakistani police on muslims. That is how the police behaves , unfortunately.
It's seriously like a reflex with you people...justifying your own crimes with "it happens in Pakistan too."
You know what? If the police in Pakistan run around beating and killing peaceful, unarmed protesters, then that's horrible too. It is no way any sort of valid justification for what your filthy occupation forces do in Kashmir though.
As for genocide against a group ... how about muslims in pakistan ...... after all more muslims have died in voilence in Pakistan in 2007 then all the killings in India (with nno bar on sex, caste and creed)
There has been no deliberate, systematic attempt at eliminating Pakistan's Muslim population. The Holocaust was genocide...suicide bombings in Pakistan are not. Any English-speaker with even a cursory understanding of current events would laugh at you if you tried to claim otherwise.
Look at Kashmir now it is back to normal
Keep deluding yourself.
The fact all of Kashmir could be brought to a boiling point, completely spontaneously and with all the leaders rotting under house arrest, just shows how "normal" the situation in Kashmir is.
Well i thought maybe you will listen to Janab … read what she has written about yatra and land …
Read this and see what the Kashmiri’s are saying
Chairman Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front, Yasin Malik, today interacted with Amarnath yatris at Baltal and assured them that Kashmiris are not against the yatra but were only opposed to the transfer of forest land to Amarnath Shrine Board.
Hurriyat Conference (M) chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq on Thursday urged Amarnath yatris to be aware of the communal elements who were portraying that Kashmiris are against the pilgrimage.
“Nobody in Kashmir is against the pilgrimage. You are our guests and we are here to help you in solving your problems,” he told a gathering of pilgrims and tourists near the Tourist Reception Centre at Dalgate here
He is calling all the pilgrims as guest … learn something from your Kashmiri brothers.
So tell me what have you learnt from this …
Again pilgrims can come , do their Yatra and leave… It is about illegal handing of Kashmiri land to a board of non-Kashmiris.
There has been no deliberate, systematic attempt at eliminating Pakistan's Muslim population. The Holocaust was genocide...suicide bombings in Pakistan are not. Any English-speaker with even a cursory understanding of current events would laugh at you if you tried to claim otherwise.
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As much as you write about it .... there is no attempt to "eliminate"the muslim population of Kashmir .... the start of trouble dates back to 1989 ... the year "gun culture"was introduced in Kashmir ...... once you fight you are going to get a few punches ..... and that is what is happening in kashmir
If you want examples of systematic kiliings of fellow muslims ... have a look at the history of east pakistan ....... even now in Baluchistan ... Nawab Bugati was killed while fighting the commandos of Pakistan army ..... tell me which Kashmiri political leader has to fight like that ..... mind you Bugati had been an ex chief minister of the state.
if the board would be a fully pandit only , then would the land be given.
And if you are not aware of the facts, every year tens of thousands of Sikh yatris visit Pakistan on pilgrimage to Gurdwaras in Punjab in Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal. Pakistan has no objection to that. They come from India, UK , Canada and all over the world, Pakistan government invites them,Infact Pakistan has made special arrangements for their stay and travel. A bus runs from Amritsar to Nankana Sahib just for the yatra. Pligrims can come, Yatra can go ahead, but land transfer is illegal. VHP/SS didn't like this decision and constructed riots in India in Indore/Bhopal etc and also in Jammu, and that has resulted in bloodshed mostly of Muslims.
And if you are not aware of the facts, every year tens of thousands of Sikh yatris visit Pakistan on pilgrimage to Gurdwaras in Punjab in Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal. Pakistan has no objection to that. They come from India, UK , Canada and all over the world, Pakistan government invites them,Infact Pakistan has made special arrangements for their stay and travel. A bus runs from Amritsar to Nankana Sahib just for the yatra. Pligrims can come, Yatra can go ahead, but land transfer is illegal. VHP/SS didn't like this decision and constructed riots in India in Indore/Bhopal etc and also in Jammu, and that has resulted in bloodshed mostly of Muslims.
Last I checked Kashmir is with India not with Pakistan.:)
And if you are not aware of the facts, every year tens of thousands of Sikh yatris visit Pakistan on pilgrimage to Gurdwaras in Punjab in Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal. Pakistan has no objection to that. They come from India, UK , Canada and all over the world, Pakistan government invites them,Infact Pakistan has made special arrangements for their stay and travel. A bus runs from Amritsar to Nankana Sahib just for the yatra. Pligrims can come, Yatra can go ahead, but land transfer is illegal. VHP/SS didn't like this decision and constructed riots in India in Indore/Bhopal etc and also in Jammu, and that has resulted in bloodshed mostly of Muslims.
You are right pilgrims visit shrines in different parts of world .....India, Pakistan , Saudi ..... you name it .... they are provided with basic facilities for conducting these. What do you think when sikhs come to visit the shrine where do they stay ..... dont they get a decent place to stay ...
Same was the case in Amarnath Shrine ..... people have been visiting the shrine for a long time but the facilities are non existent in that place. So if these facilites like temporary accomodation and toilet facilites are provided to these ... what is wrong with that.
And if you are not aware of the facts, every year tens of thousands of Sikh yatris visit Pakistan on pilgrimage to Gurdwaras in Punjab in Nankana Sahib and Hassan Abdal. Pakistan has no objection to that. They come from India, UK , Canada and all over the world, Pakistan government invites them,Infact Pakistan has made special arrangements for their stay and travel. A bus runs from Amritsar to Nankana Sahib just for the yatra. Pligrims can come, Yatra can go ahead, but land transfer is illegal. VHP/SS didn't like this decision and constructed riots in India in Indore/Bhopal etc and also in Jammu, and that has resulted in bloodshed mostly of Muslims.
Peoples don't object to Pilgrims because Pilgrimage is a Industry in itself too. Saudi Arabia earns a lot of money because of that and so does people of Kashmir and Pakistan.
Peoples don't object to Pilgrims because Pilgrimage is a Industry in itself too. Saudi Arabia earns a lot of money because of that and so does people of Kashmir and Pakistan.
Actually the crux of the problem was this only ........ Amarnath yatra is conducted fom two places ... Pahalgam and from Baltal side. Now most of the yatris travel from Pahalgam side as that is the yatra route ..... that place has hotels and other facilites .. owned by the local kashmiri businessmen.
However the route from Baltal is becoming popular as it is a shorter route for yatra .... can be done in a day as against 3-4 days from Pahalgam. But there are no facilities from this area. So the shrine board wanted to set up facilites at this route.
That was going to hit a lot of business people ....... rest you can understand.
As much as you write about it .... there is no attempt to "eliminate"the muslim population of Kashmir .... the start of trouble dates back to 1989 ... the year "gun culture"was introduced in Kashmir ...... once you fight you are going to get a few punches ..... and that is what is happening in kashmir
If you want examples of systematic kiliings of fellow muslims ... have a look at the history of east pakistan ....... even now in Baluchistan ... Nawab Bugati was killed while fighting the commandos of Pakistan army ..... tell me which Kashmiri political leader has to fight like that ..... mind you Bugati had been an ex chief minister of the state.
Let me get this straight.
The Baloch separatist organizations claim that the past 5 years of conflict have claimed over 1,000 lives. That, according to you, is genocide. Meanwhile, international human rights organizations state that over 70,000 Kashmiris have been killed over the past 19 years, and Kashmiri women are more affected by sexual violence than women in any other conflict region in the world...but thats all OK because its India throwing a "few punches" in self defense.
Thank you for making it abundantly clear just how pathetically bigoted your opinions are.
Same was the case in Amarnath Shrine ..... people have been visiting the shrine for a long time but the facilities are non existent in that place. So if these facilites like temporary accomodation and toilet facilites are provided to these ... what is wrong with that.
For its entire 150 year history, the pilgrimage has proceeded smoothly without any Indians taking over our land and building permanent structures. The local people have provided food, tents and accommodations, and transportation for the pilgrims (both along the historic/traditional Pahalgam route, and the Indian army's newer Baltal route) without any significant issues. To claim that an Indian board needs to take ownership of Kashmiri land to ensure proper accommodations for the pilgrims is absurd.
Let me get this straight.
The Baloch separatist organizations claim that the past 5 years of conflict have claimed over 1,000 lives. That, according to you, is genocide. Meanwhile, international human rights organizations state that over 70,000 Kashmiris have been killed over the past 19 years, and Kashmiri women are more affected by sexual violence than women in any other conflict region in the world...but thats all OK because its India throwing a "few punches" in self defense.
Thank you for making it abundantly clear just how pathetically bigoted your opinions are. .
Who is bigoted ........ you are crying over 70,000 kashmiri's killed in 19 years ... go back to the same human rights organisations and check what they have to say about the " genocide" in east pakistan. Even if the voilence levels stay at the these levels, it will take atleast 100 years for kashmir to come anywhere close to what happened there.As for sexual voilence .... again check for what the army did there .... come on they were all muslims ..... is that how pakistani army treats fellow muslims.
The level of voilence has drastically coem down in last few years and you will see Kashmir return to normalcy ....... i know a lot of people want the violence to continue as they benefit from it ...... but the majority of kashmiri's have understood the folly of this confrontation and the change will be seen very soon.
For its entire 150 year history, the pilgrimage has proceeded smoothly without any Indians taking over our land and building permanent structures. The local people have provided food, tents and accommodations, and transportation for the pilgrims (both along the historic/traditional Pahalgam route, and the Indian army's newer Baltal route) without any significant issues. To claim that an Indian board needs to take ownership of Kashmiri land to ensure proper accommodations for the pilgrims is absurd.
Indian board .... land grab ..... demographic change .... emotive issues were raised to counter an action for a good cause.
Every one who knows Kashmir knows what shrine board is ... there is one in Jammu also looking after Vaishnodevi .... no one has raised any objecions there ...... points ot ponder.