" Zilhaj first 10 days k roZon kee fazeelat"
Sounds more Catholic to me than Islamic
Irem says in a cafe thread that these rozay can wipe away the year’s sins.
What kind of reasoning is this? I always think Islam is based upon reason…why would just fasting on these particular days take away the sins and woh bhi of a year?
So get away with anything during the year, and then fast for 10 days? Sounds counter-intuitive
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^^ aah - I just posted something in that thread of Irem's.
That is indeed absurd - I've never heard of such a thing and would like to have the source for that saying.... what I have heard about the 10 days of zil hajj is this:
Abu Hurairah relates that the Prophet S.A.W said: "There are no days more loved to Allah for you to worship Him therein than the ten days of DhulHijja. Fasting any day during it is equivalent to fasting one year and to offer salatul tahajjud (late-night prayer) during one of its nights is like performing the late night prayer on the night of power. ." **related by at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, and al-Baihaqi**
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actually its a hadith that says that fasting on the 9th of zil-hajj (oneday, and not ten days) wipes away a year's sins....
how come u never got surprised when ppl said that hajj wipes away the whole life's sins????
or that every two prayers wipe away the sins that come between them....
or that the hadith says that firday to friday (prayer) wipe away the sins that come between them....
and the same for umrah....
Allah gives out chances to remove our sins....
He wants reasons to frogive us....
whats catholic about it????
P.S. the sins here r the minor sins and not major (gunaah-e-kabeera)....
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And by the way if one does gunah-e-saghira thinking that it is just a minor gunah, so why not....it becomes a gunah-e-kabira. (Someone told me so........).
So in the act of any gunah being commited, it would be important that intention is not to commit it........or to commit it by extreme unwillingness and as a last resort.
So by that reason and looking at the reply from armughal, one hardly gets away with gunahs if these are not gunah-e-sagheera (Wallaho Alam).
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So whats so absurd about it, you don’t have to fast for ALL ten days, you can fast during any of the days . Which becomes equivalent to fasting for one year. Similar to how performing salatul tahajjud on any night during these ten days becomes equivalent to the night of power.
There is absolutely nothing catholic about it.
Its about Obedience to Allah swt, and how we can repent away our sins, for HIS sake, HIS pleasure.
That is the point of life, that is why we exist. And it doesn’t need a reason if it makes Allah Happy, you do it hands down.
Done.*
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In addition to the reply from salhu, one must understand that i) the pre-requisite for wiping away the sins in Islam is to repent and promise to stay away from those sins in future ii) all actions are based on intention. When someone fasts on a specific day to wipe the year's sins, the intention should be based on repentence, and not on the assumption that one can keep on committing those sins and getting away with them (the catholic view of salvation based only on belief - as PCG mentioned).
My two cents.
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Ahh, this made me chuckle.
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Yes dome; she keeps on saying this…By that, i think she really mean that Islam is based on the nature (Fitrat).
If you start looking for the reason, you could end up nowhere, for, some times the God does not gives reason, He does not have to.
This is what has been demonstrated in Quran too. Refer to the prophet Moses incident where travels with a person who does odd things and asks Moses not to question him. (he destroys the ship and kills a person and constructs a wall). I dont remember the surah.
Muslims (and Ahle Kitab) have been asked to believe in Unseen, go figure the reason. I can think of a reason or two, but that is not the point. The point is that human intelligence can not match the wisdom and intelligence of Creator’s, and while we can think of His reasons on our own, we can not and should not finally assign that. He surely asks us to use our intelligence, no bar on that.
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well chuckle some where else
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thanks Armughal 
Every drop that trickles down while making wudu wipes away sins too PCG :k:
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I'm of the idea that God Forgives.
That idea is the catholic in me.
I suppose is something we catholics and muslims share?
I believe in the seen and the unseen.
I believe.
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I didnt read all the responses but a very devout pious mulsim brother who works with me, told me this year that he planned on fasting right after eid and that it is equivalent of fasting for 1 year. He ws doing it becasue he is catching up for all the fasts that he missed in his life. I dont think quraan mentions it, must be some Hadith.
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yep.. PCG should include all of that and we can file it under myth. No such proof from
Allah.. but people make up a lot of things themselves..
We should strive all our life to do good and avoid sins. There are no short cuts.
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I think the title of this thread is inappropriate.
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Well, when these hadith's say doing x wipes away y amount of sin (like a year's worth or 10 year's worth)...maybe that's meant to be taken figuratively rather than literally.
I mean, lets illustrate with an example. In the past year, lets say... I've been irregular with my prayers. Let's say the most amount of sin you've done is that you forgot to water your plants one day out of the year.
In the same amount of time, you and I have committed different sins in quantity and quality. So, do both of our sins get erased from this past year? Even though I probably get away with having done more (and mind you, in this example, I did not have evil intentions of "oh i will skip my prayers and then do one thing to wipe away all these sins).
I think these hadith, which it would be nice if you present to us the level of authenticity assigned to them, may be speaking in a figurative sense.