Muslim Youths

Muslim Youths

Muslim youths are angry, frustrated and extremist because they have been mis-educated and de-educated by the British schooling. Muslim children are confused because they are being educated in a wrong place at a wrong time in state schools with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. They face lots of problems of growing up in two distinctive cultural traditions and value systems, which may come into conflict over issues such as the role of women in the society, and adherence to religious and cultural traditions. The conflicting demands made by home and schools on behaviour, loyalties and obligations can be a source of psychological conflict and tension in Muslim youngsters. There are also the issues of racial prejudice and discrimination to deal with, in education and employment. They have been victim of racism and bullying in all walks of life. According to DCSF, 56% of Pakistanis and 54% of Bangladeshi children has been victims of bullies. The first wave of Muslim migrants were happy to send their children to state schools, thinking their children would get a much better education. Than little by little, the overt and covert discrimination in the system turned them off. There are fifteen areas where Muslim parents find themselves offended by state schools.
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[FONT=Times New Roman]The right to education in one’s own comfort zone is a fundamental and inalienable human right that should be available to all people irrespective of their ethnicity or religious background. Schools do not belong to state, they belong to parents. It is the parents’ choice to have faith schools for their children. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. There is no place for a non-Muslim teacher or a child in a Muslim school. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. An ICM Poll of British Muslims showed that nearly half wanted their children to attend Muslim schools. There are only 143 Muslim schools. A state funded Muslim school in Birmingham has 220 pupils and more than 1000 applicants chasing just 60.
Majority of anti-Muslim stories are not about terrorism but about Muslim culture–the hijab, Muslim schools, family life and religiosity. Muslims in the west ought to be recognised as a western community, not as an alien culture.
Iftikhar Ahmad

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Muslims like you should leave the Western countries and go live in one of the middle eastern Islamic Sharia Paradise country, or atleast go back to your own country and try to make it that way. Don't come in the West and try to change our secular fabric. It absolutely disgusts me to see people like you who demand muslim only teachers in muslim majority schools. With an attitude like that you should only live in 100% muslim countries. Please leave.

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^Agreed. But what if those muslims are citizens by birth and descent? i.e. Converts, etc...? Where do you suggest they go? Do they not have claim to the nation that they have known forever?

Iftikhar, while i appreciate your enthusiasm and frustration at the current events that are taking place. I must say that Muslims ought to respect the land in which they reside and abide by its rules. Heard that old saying "Love it, or leave it"....it still applies today.

You catch more with honey than with vinegar. All talk will not accomplish anything, actions will. So muslims really need to work hard to perfect themselves first before suggesting/hoping/demanding of the others...if even that. The change is usually initiated from within.

Hindu's and Sikhs in UK face the same racism & discrimination as muslims but they are doing well in every field.

^ That is false.
Muslims, especially Pakistanis, face more discrimination due to their religion.

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Chinese and Indians are better favoured than their African counterparts, but less than whites in the job market.

Bangladeshis, Pakastani males and other Asians, who are likely to be Muslims, also experience high levels of unemployment.

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Salaam

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour.

Pakistani-Muslim "Youths" in UK are definitely suffering but the situation in USA is different. At least for now!

One can write books on the issues of younger generations. However one issue stands out. The issue of "Parental training".

By "parental training" I mean a very simple thing. That is, do the parents of a "youth" teach him "patience" (or sabar), value of endless hard work, and give him hope?

And especially with boys, do the parents use both their love and their strict traditions in case the "youth" is not patient, and not hard working?

Pakistani-Muslim youths in UK are suffering from many ills and the worst of such ills is the false propaganda that this world is somehow anti-Muslim.

This type of vicious and false propaganda destroys the hope of young people and drives them to commit horrible atrocities like the one on 7/7.

Combination of hormones, and level of uncertanitiy is deadly for the youth even in normal circumstances. Even non-Muslim youths commit suicide or do drugs because they have essentially lost hope in their future.

What makes it worse for Pakistani Muslim youth is just that! being a "Muslim" youth. You bring in the UK's version of militant and corrupted teachings of 2-bit religious scholars then mix them with hopelessness, and you got one crazy group of youth who will rather die than becoming a scientists or a doctors or an engineers.

As pointed by another poster that Hindu youths who look very much like their Pakistani counterparts, do suffer from discrimination. However the Hindu youths have one thing in common. Majority of their parents teach them to be patient and do hard work. Hindu parents and Hindu society use their religion to instill hope and good values.

This is in marked contrast with how UK-Muslims society behaves, and the results are obvious.

In some ways the hopeless ghetto mentality among UK Muslim youth is very similar to the one that exists in the angry youth among urban black communities of the USA. Again the black parents and the black community on the streets gives out message of hopelessness. This in turn destroys the black youth and the vicious cycle continues with every new generation of African-American kids in almost every inner city.

Is there any hope that UK-Muslim youth will break this deadly cycle of "mosque-inspired" hopelessness?

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^^ Good Post. I agree with most of your analysis. The constant 'We're the victims, we have to do something drastic' crap is polluting the muslim youth in the UK. The UK Govt. needs to grow some balls and ban all radical mosques and deport every radical muslim preacher.

The second half of your post is my response to your first half :D

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I don't understand this "confused by two civilization" nonsense, even though it sounds very scholarly on the surface.

Why exactly is it difficult for muslim parents to teach their kids that there are certain practices they should keep at home as dictated by islam and that there are laws of the country that they have to follow (whether they migrated to or borne into).

Practice your religion without bothering others and others won't bother you - that holds for all religions.

If there are some practices that are in conflict with the law (eg: multiple wives), work with the syste, to arrive at a compromise instead trying to impose your will on others.

I will say this: muslim parents are the worst enemies of their own children, from what I have seen

I see the emotion which caused you to write this post.

There may be few youth who are confused but as much as I have seen a large majority of muslim families have their kids achieving many good positions in education and jobs in Britain. Those include lawyers, physicians and financial advisors.

Anyone living in a country must follow the laws of land. Anything which is asked or performed must conform to the local laws.

Cultural norms may not need to be followed or agreed upon but be respected and acknowledged.

Western countries for one or other reason are becoming more and more cosmopolitan..at least the big cities. There is nothing wrong in asking separate schools but living in isolation is not beneficial to anyone. However, just as there are orthodox christian schools, there is nothing wrong with having good standard muslim schools teaching the same basic books in islamic environment...meaning dress code or break for prayer,providing halal/zabiha food etc.

I do see parents anxiety when they feel their young and relatively immature children have to be part of any activity which conflicts with islamic teachings. But this depends how much they are willing to let go. Letting go minor stuff which does not break ties from religion per se is quite alright.

Afterall, many so called islamic countries do not follow islamic laws...so why be adamant in demanding non-muslim countres to follow islamic laws? Off course the country must allow its citizens to exercise their religion freely.

Only way one can do that is by legal methods wherever that person be..islamic or non-islamic country.

Very orthodox muslim families (or even hindus/sikhs etc.) off course will have lots of problems but those families are few. And yet there are families where even parents don't know what is islamic or what is not. They may be so busy in financial aspect of life that they tend to ignore religious aspect. So its not all one sided.

When the youth shows strong will, struggle, and confidence to get better education and become a part of multi-cultural society with dignity, they will definitely be heard.

One thing I must say, parents need to be open to children, let them explore religion themselves but with good assistance available when questions arise.
For this they need to be clear themselves also. Christianity and Judaism are very close religions to Islam as they both teach worshiping same God.

The goal should be to assimilate with others openly and yet keeping essential differences. This is not so hard to achieve.

OMFG. i coundnt have said it any better.

these youth are not screwed over because of the western teaching. thats a load of tad sh*t.

i was not indoctrinated at all in school about religion and western values in school, so this argument does stand on a single leg. i however was indoctrinated at home about blah blah blah....

who are these parents that want religious teacheing in school? srsly, stay in Pakistan or suadi arabia for that stuff. or send your children to a religious school. the second religion starts creping in an already pathetic western education system...this country (Australia) is going to go even more backwards.

yes, there are some western values that have issues, but to get them changed on religious grounds is total bulls*hit. its not going to work, and because of these anti-common sense children/parents social cohesion has become a problem in every community where Muslims live.....except my suburb. lol

also, thank god we havnt got these radical Pakistanis in Australia. god bless that Australia isnt facing a tirade of anti Pakistan in any field yet so far. though there is anti arab here.

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What's even more sad is some muslims don't even send their kids, especially daughters, to school AFTER settling down in the west. Home schooling does provide some alternative but these kids have a high likelyhood of growing up with a loner and ghetto mentality. Whatever your values are, you cannot shield them from influences forever and when they become adults they will be very ill equipped and may fall for some fiery speeches!

^Wish you had learned some values and ettiquates from someone. When you write it shows your low level education.

cant compete with your BA in stupidity can I?

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^^ lol

At least learn better class english..will you?

(Anyway I do not want to get down to your level..happy learning)

of course not....you will just get chewed up and spat out.... like always.

like always? You must not be sober again. :)

No one would be able to beat you on using street language of bum people.

Please amuse me...

^^

Now guys stop this and please shake hands