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Lusi, while what you say is almost invariably true, it makes so much difference when the woman is able to take things on for herself and (if applicable) her children. An uneducated woman without training in some specific field has little hope of becoming independant of an abusive husband. But one who can earn a good living for herself and any children has a really good chance.
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:k::k: very good point!
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True, education makes hell of a difference.
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^^ But if you seee the practical side of things, an educated woman will have just as hard a time admitting she is being abused. Once she admits at least to herself then it is easier as she may be able to fend for herself better if she has decided to separate.
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I've read thru a few pages here but i have one question- where does it say a woman who marries a non-muslim man is a non muslim???? it just says she does not have an islamic marriage.
you my be sinning bu can still be muslim
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I've read thru a few pages here but i have one question- where does it say a woman who marries a non-muslim man is a non muslim???? it just says she does not have an islamic marriage.
you my be sinning bu can still be muslim
yeah it is called fasiq[sinner] in arabic. Please read Qur'an to know the qualities of fasiqun.
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Well guys u may get help from www.islamonline.net u can find Fatwa’s live and u can ask any islamic issue there. It has been monitored by Mufti sahiban live from Saudi Arabia. I hope it will help you guys and w*(http://www.alnoorpakistan.com)ll guide you the true path. *
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Shaykh Qardawi owns that website and he is from Egypt, other scholars mostly from Al Azhar also answer the questions there.
saaray scholars saudi main nahi hotay.*
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Shaykh Qardawi owns that website and he is from Egypt, other scholars mostly from Al Azhar also answer the questions there. saaray scholars saudi main nahi hotay.
Thanks a lot for Update hareem01
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Muslim women are not allowed to marry outside of the faith. I can see why many on this thread would like to believe otherwise, whether its linked to their own intentions for marriage, knowing a loved one in such a union or an equality ("Men can marry Jewish/Christian women, so why can't Muslim women?) agenda.
My question is: If you are self described Muslim woman marrying outside the faith then you clearly do not respect the faith enough to follow its tenets. In many instances, I see that the girl is Muslim by culture (in name only) and the family may or may not be religious, yet they all EXPECT an Imam/Shaikh/Qazi to be present when they marry the christian, hindu boyfriend. Why go for the charade? Islamically that marriage is not valid, so just go to the city clerk's office or have that Episcopalian minister marry you.
In fact I would respect a girl who Muslim in name only, to abandon these ridiculous pretenses and openly embrace the other faith/secularism. A sin is a sin.
I am not saying that I can pass judgment on others as I am a sinner just like other Muslims - however I am not trying to bend Islam to make it more palatable to my lifestyle.
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^ Same goes for men.
How religious do you really consider "muslim" men who marry women from another faith? What gets me is those guys who even go so far as to allow their kids to not be raised muslim. In which case, how the hell is that sanctioned by Islam? I don't see the Pakistani community giving those guys a hard time.
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^ Same goes for men.
How religious do you really consider "muslim" men who marry women from another faith? What gets me is those guys who even go so far as to allow their kids to not be raised muslim. In which case, how the hell is that sanctioned by Islam? I don't see the Pakistani community giving those guys a hard time.
I am sorry before I answer you, I have to ask: Why are you consistently defensive about these matters? Just reading your responses on this thread indicates some type of anger towards men. I have a mother who taught me to respect women but you are off topic and out of line, to bring up this ridiculous non-sequitur.
Let me address the off-topic part: The title and the early discussions are related to Muslim women marrying outside of the faith. By bringing in Muslim men as comparison point does not make sense. It's like me mentioning that Reform Jewish marriages are facing challenges in Israel..so what?
Returning to the out of line part, the fact that Muslim men are not raising theirs kids as Muslims does not nullify their marriage as Islamic. A "Muslim" (my quotes more appropriate than yours) woman marrying outside of the faith does not have an Islamic marriage to begin with. Her kids are raised Muslim or not becomes a moot point. While it is not say that the kids don't have a chance of seeing the light of Al-Islam and becoming more pious than all of us, we are examining the parents (their Muslim mother marrying outside the faith).
Part of why this dichotomy exists in Islam is linked to the responsibility of the father to ensure the Muslim upbringing of his children. While the father (in most instances) is not directly teaching the kids about Islam, the responsibility lies with him nonetheless. If the does not make effort towards raising Muslim children, then it is his punishment in the afterlife. If the good faith effort (no pun, intended) is made and the children still stray from Islam as adults, then they will have to answer to Allah.
To bring everything together, your comparison is logically flawed because a Muslim woman marrying outside the faith does not have an Islamically binding marriage to begin with, whereas the Muslim man (under the Quranic parameters) does. How religious he is/is not does not change the fact that he can walk into a masjid with his Christian/Jewish wife and openly declare his Islamically binding marriage. What happens after the kids are born, becomes irrelevant within the scope of this discussion.
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Your argument is nothing but a sexist repetition of all arguments that have come before. Its the same nonsense - a woman somehow loses faces if she marries someone non-mulims, yet a muslim man does not. My point of bringing in muslim men for compairson is highly valid, and don't even bother trying to pull the "you must be angry at men" as a counterargument, because it really does not tackle my questions towards men who marry outside the religion. Muslims, whether men or women, who value their religion above all else tend to marry within the muslim faith, and this goes for all other faiths as well. If you don't value your religion, then it wont really matter to you whom you marry, and whether or not your kids become muslim.
What you say about children being muslim or not is a moot point if the mother is not behaving like a true muslim by marrying outside her faith is very true, and in such situations, the only thing we really can pray for is that the children find Islam to be a good religion. However, this also applies to men as well. A man who married outside his faith, doesn't teach Islam to his kids, nor brings it up in the household much, is probably not a practicing muslim to begin with, and therefore, he should be held in the same contempt an muslim female would be held if she were to do the same thing.
You guys are the ones who place too much emphasis on gender differences, and then you say somehow my posts come across as male-hating. My point is simply that both men and women who come from muslim backgrounds and marry outside their religion TEND not to be very muslim in the first place. Exceptions are numerous, of course, and in those exceptions, usually there is some sort of situation where the muslim spouse values their religion, and marries their partner BECAUSE the partner is in process of becoming muslim, or has agreed to allow for the children to be raised muslim. These situations, however, are in the minority, despite what clergy may have you believe.
If my act of holding both men and women responsible equally for the same sin in Islam is an insult to men and somehow makes me a man-hater, then so be it. However, I am only echo-ing the OBVIOUS and REPETETIVE messages in the Quran that sins are sins whether a man or woman commits them. How we've somehow attributed different weights to whether a man does something vs. a woman is beyond me and can only be explained by generations of a misogynist and sexist attitude in which male clergy have done what they can to allow men to get away with basic sins.
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I have not relied on cultural assumptions in forwarding the argument.
*Islamically Muslim women are not allowed to marry outside of the faith, while men are (under the conditions already mentioned).
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The motivations of Muslim men or even their "muslimness" is not in contention here. What I am saying is that even the most pious Muslim man *can *marry a believing Christian/Jewish woman whereas a similarly pious Muslim woman cannot.
Clearly, you are not directly addressing the issue, instead you prefer to focus on the religiousity of Muslim man/woman, rather than the Islamic law. Like I stated above the very act of marriage to a non-Muslim man is a sin, so why should we talk about that woman being a 5 times praying hijaban with intentions of raising Muslim kids, when she is living in an unIslamic marriage?
I am not highlighting the gender differences, this thread by its very subject matter is directed towards woman. I am simply a believer of the faith as it stands, not attempting to bend it to meet my lifestyle. Your overly defesive and knee-jerk responses are definitely indicative of the hostility that you hold towards men. This thread along with many others is proof of the fact.
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I love the "you are a man hater" arguments. They are so intelligent :)
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I feel that if it's a sin for a woman, it's a sin for man. If you can justify it for a man, you can make the same arguments for a woman.
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I feel that if it's a sin for a woman, it's a sin for man. If you can justify it for a man, you can make the same arguments for a woman.
Exactly. Just because you feel, now we need to make ammendment in the religion, I suppose? :)
Umm. How much bribe does Allah take to change his commands? (Maazallah)
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I love the "you are a man hater" arguments. They are so intelligent :)
Oh please leave the one liner 'holier than thou' arguments to yourself.
Although I sharply disagree with PCG's assertions, her intelligence is never in question..and it certainly exceeds random one liners :)
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there are gender differences when it comes to marriage. as for the religiosity of those who marry outside the religion, didnt the Prophet have a christian wife?