Muslim women marrying non-muslim Men

[X2]

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thanks TLK, that was my understanding as well, thus the surprise at ppl makign statements that someoen doing that will cease to be a muslim.

[tweety_pie]

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@somegroovychick

i’m sorry but i entirely disagree with you there, Niksik… there is no compulsion in Islam. you cannot force anyone to change their religion and emotionally blackmail them into doing it by telling them “if you loved me, you’d do this for me”… i’d rather be with someone who is honest to himself and his beliefs, than with someone who would simply say the words and convert to please others.

put yourself in the guy’s situation… would you ever give up one of your beliefs or principles for the person you love, even if its something that you don’t agree with? would you do it for society? say eating pork was fundamental to their personal beliefs. and they said, if you loved me, you’d eat pork with me. what would you do?

simply saying the shahada does not a muslim make- the process of conversion is based on what is in your dil and your niyat- not on words. i know a lot of muslim guys who were born muslim but barely practice and go out of their way to smoke, drink, and date. is it better to marry someone like that? or to marry someone who makes you happy, is a good person inside, and shares your values and principles? Allah is the one who gives “hidayat” to all of us, and Allah knows best- perhaps this is part of His plan and all we can do is pray that Allah does what is best for us. there is a lesson in everything.

perhaps marrying a non-Muslim is the way to bring both parties closer to Islam somehow? perhaps it is “meant to be”? who are we to judge? the best anyone can do is stick to their beliefs (whatever they are) as closely as possible and pray to Allah for guidance and forgiveness.

:k:

[TLK]

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@somegroovychick

i'm sorry but i entirely disagree with you there, Niksik... there is no compulsion in Islam. you cannot force anyone to change their religion and emotionally blackmail them into doing it by telling them "if you loved me, you'd do this for me"... i'd rather be with someone who is honest to himself and his beliefs, than with someone who would simply say the words and convert to please others.

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If you want to do things islamicaly, there is compulsion in Islam. There are rules you have to follow.

If you want to do things your way, why bring poor Islam in between and try to justify your act through religion

Dont want to be over technical but their are 3 levels of being a musalman

1. Muslim
2. Momin
3. Mohsin

When a guy/girl recites Kalima then he/she is Muslim .. that is it. What is in his/her heart is something b/w that person and Allah

Nikaah with that person is valid.

[indopak]

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@somegroovychick

i don’t think you should place conditions on your love, or the people you love…
if it matters so much to you, then break up. but you cannot love someone “if”, you know?

also religion is not the only qualification for a stable household and raising normal, healthy, happy kids… theres a lot more to it and religion is ONE factor. if you have enough other commonalities, then i think theres an equal chance of things working out.

very well said:k::k:

[Niksik]

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Love is a wonderful thing and if it proceeds to marriage then certain decisions need to be taken regardless of if they feel right or not. It is painful and overwhelming but at the end of the day we must do what is right and not only what makes us happy.

Religion is a guideline, and a personal choice. Yes, hopefully no-one is forced into uncomfortable situations or pressurized to do certain things.

[somegroovychick]

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If you want to do things islamicaly, there is compulsion in Islam. There are rules you have to follow.

If you want to do things your way, why bring poor Islam in between and try to justify your act through religion

Dont want to be over technical but their are 3 levels of being a musalman

1. Muslim
2. Momin
3. Mohsin

When a guy/girl recites Kalima then he/she is Muslim .. that is it. What is in his/her heart is something b/w that person and Allah

Nikaah with that person is valid.

what i meant is you cannot force people to become Muslim, hence no compulsion in Islam. once you are a muslim of your own free choice, then yes, there are rules you follow.

and i disagree with you- saying the kalma means nothing unless you have intention behind it- i believe the kalma is just the means of proclaiming your intention in front of the world since no one can tell what is in your heart. its an outward sign of confirmation that you are a muslim.

also i dont think im justifying anything... im just saying you can't force anybody into following islam. thats just not allowed in islam.

what defines the three levels of being a muslim? i'd really like to know.

[somegroovychick]

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Religion is a guideline, and a personal choice.

exactly.

[TLK]

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and i disagree with you- saying the kalma means nothing unless you have intention behind it- i believe the kalma is just the means of proclaiming your intention in front of the world since no one can tell what is in your heart. its an outward sign of confirmation that you are a muslim.

That is what I was saying also, I think I did not say it right.

Reciting kalima is just an anouncement. What is in your heart, no one knows

Those three levels of muslims is a hadees when Jibra'eel visited prophet as a human, in front of shaba and asked him 4 questions.

I can find a link of that hadees and post it if you want

[NaMaan]

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As a human we are weak. I think if we can answer the question that who we love more, God or gf/bf, that will be answer to this question.

[somegroovychick]

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Those three levels of muslims is a hadees when Jibra'eel visited prophet as a human, in front of shaba and asked him 4 questions.

I can find a link of that hadees and post it if you want

that would be awesome, thank you!!

[ghazal_kisi_ke]

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^ TLK: I would like to read that too. Thanks.

[pinks]

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I think the Hadith TLK was referring to was this (sorry if i got it wrong):

** Also on the authority of 'Umar, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said:

"While we were one day sitting with the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, there appeared before us a man dressed in extremely white clothes and with very black hair. No traces of journeying were visible on him, and none of us knew him.

He sat down close by the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, rested his knee against his thighs, and said, O Muhammad! Inform me about Islam." Said the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, “Islam is that you should testify that there is no deity save Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger, that you should perform salah (ritual prayer), pay the zakah, fast during Ramadan, and perform Hajj (pilgrimage) to the House (the Ka’bah at Makkah), if you can find a way to it (or find the means for making the journey to it).” Said he (the man), “You have spoken truly.”

We were astonished at his thus questioning him and telling him that he was right, but he went on to say, “Inform me about iman (faith).” He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, “It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in fate (qadar), both in its good and in its evil aspects.” He said, “You have spoken truly.”

Then he (the man) said, “Inform me about Ihsan.” He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, " It is that you should serve Allah as though you could see Him, for though you cannot see Him yet He sees you." He said, “Inform me about the Hour.” He (the Messenger of Allah) said, “About that the one questioned knows no more than the questioner.” So he said, “Well, inform me about the signs thereof (i.e. of its coming).” Said he, “They are that the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress, that you will see the barefooted ones, the naked, the destitute, the herdsmen of the sheep (competing with each other) in raising lofty buildings.” Thereupon the man went off.

I waited a while, and then he (the Messenger of Allah) said, “O 'Umar, do you know who that questioner was?” I replied, “Allah and His Messenger know better.” He said, “That was Jibril. He came to teach you your religion.”"

[Muslim] **

http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/hadith02.htm

A more detailed explanation of the terminology: Three Levels of Faith: Islam, Iman, and Ihsan By Hassan El-Najjar

[lilmisssweetness]

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the answers too all these questions…

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2267&CATE=10

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=12&ID=1802&CATE=10

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=10&ID=5878&CATE=89

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=3904&CATE=10

[TLK]

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Pinks, thank you very much. That was the hadess I was refering to

[Pareezay]

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I loved the hadith!!! Thanks for sharing pinks

@pinks

I think the Hadith TLK was referring to was this (sorry if i got it wrong):

Also on the authority of 'Umar, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said:

"While we were one day sitting with the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, there appeared before us a man dressed in extremely white clothes and with very black hair. No traces of journeying were visible on him, and none of us knew him.

He sat down close by the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, rested his knee against his thighs, and said, O Muhammad! Inform me about Islam." Said the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, “Islam is that you should testify that there is no deity save Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger, that you should perform salah (ritual prayer), pay the zakah, fast during Ramadan, and perform Hajj (pilgrimage) to the House (the Ka’bah at Makkah), if you can find a way to it (or find the means for making the journey to it).” Said he (the man), “You have spoken truly.”

We were astonished at his thus questioning him and telling him that he was right, but he went on to say, “Inform me about iman (faith).” He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, “It is that you believe in Allah and His angels and His Books and His Messengers and in the Last Day, and in fate (qadar), both in its good and in its evil aspects.” He said, “You have spoken truly.”

Then he (the man) said, “Inform me about Ihsan.” He (the Messenger of Allah) answered, " It is that you should serve Allah as though you could see Him, for though you cannot see Him yet He sees you." He said, “Inform me about the Hour.” He (the Messenger of Allah) said, “About that the one questioned knows no more than the questioner.” So he said, “Well, inform me about the signs thereof (i.e. of its coming).” Said he, “They are that the slave-girl will give birth to her mistress, that you will see the barefooted ones, the naked, the destitute, the herdsmen of the sheep (competing with each other) in raising lofty buildings.” Thereupon the man went off.

**I waited a while, and then he (the Messenger of Allah) said, “O 'Umar, do you know who that questioner was?” I replied, “Allah and His Messenger know better.” He said, “That was Jibril. He came to teach you your religion.”" **

**[Muslim] **

http://fortyhadith.iiu.edu.my/hadith02.htm

A more detailed explanation of the terminology: Three Levels of Faith: Islam, Iman, and Ihsan By Hassan El-Najjar

[imxtraordinary]

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ismailis are not muslims...

@expatobserver

Yes, my nephew who is a non-muslim, is marrying a muslima who is an Isamaili girl.

[Catty]

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ur noone to judge dis person…

[imxtraordinary]

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stating facts is not judging. btw i didnt judge anyone..

[wishkamar]

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Nobody asks this question when a muslim man marries a non-muslim woman, so why would one make a huge issue if it's muslim woman who decides to marry a non-muslim guy...Yes, in a perfect world, it would be a sin and considered inappropriate and unacceptable and what not, but we DON'T live in a perfect world...Those who marry to a non-muslim are responsible for their decisions and deeds in this world as well as later...So, let's just let them live in peace...

[TLK]

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A sin is a sin , perfect world or non perfect world