Muslim women in France put on medical masks

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Then they'll bring up some bs argument about following the laws of the country and they'll also follow the laws of your country when they go there.

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Laws of the country are made for whom?
for the people..then why curb their freedom of personal choice?
Saudia is hated because they wont allow women to drive but u see teh same ppl supporting other countries laws which violate personal choice.

Double standards.

@fat spartan:

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Re: Muslim women in France put on medical masks

thumbsup for these women, may ALLAH help them stay firm to their beliefs and help them practice Islam to the fullest.

a slap on double-standard-democratic-white-dumb-animals face

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Yes I see it. I've just been seeing this back and forth in the news over the past couple of months.

The other funny thing is they'll go on and on about women's rights/oppression and what not but don't simply let the women choose to wear it or not themselves.

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and they support this point by saying ..women are forced to wear it and Psyah explained i v nicely..but ppl who dont want to listen dont really get it.

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That's right but they also acknowledge that there are many women who do it willingly. We could bring up a bunch of other things that people do due to pressure from others but there's no ban being considered for them.

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Banning something isnt the solution to pressure.

IF I am pressurized to cook by my hypothetical husband so wht…r u going to BAN cooking :aq:
Instead of finding solutions to a problem..they just create more problems.

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Or in our case (Quebec), they just tried to make something that isn’t a problem (niqaab) out to be a big problem so that they don’t have to deal with real problems (high drop out rates, inefficient management of health care, increasing taxes because they mismanage our money).

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I don’t :no: know abt quebec :bummer:
elaborate plz :@:

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Well, here's some of what's been going on:

There were two girls who were recently expelled from immigrant French classes provided by the government. The first one was an Egyptian, who had apparently caused some type of disturbance in the class when asked to remove her niqaab on the basis of it being required to learn the language. She then agreed to do it if they would accommodate some of her requests. The school then got approval of the ministry and expelled her.

The other one was a girl who came from India after getting married. Her case was completely different. She didn't cause any type of trouble in the class and on the other hand was well liked by everyone and also one of the top students in her class. She was also asked to remove the niqaab on the basis of it being required to learn the language but even the principal of her institution went on record to say that there was no basis for it (need to see the face to teach her the language). This also makes me suspect that their pressuring the first girl might also have been nothing more than harassment.
The school had no complaints or issues with her. Bureaucrats took it upon themselves to give her the ultimatum to either remove her niqaab or leave the class.

Since then, they're bringing up statistics that out of a 120000 people who applied for a medicare card in the past year, approximately 10 women asked that they be served by a female. Also just weeks prior to the niqaab becoming an issue, they were reporting about how people had died waiting to get into the emergency room, with someone being left in the hallway for about 8 hours before succumbing to their condition. They also talked about how there was a really high highschool drop out rate (close to 1 in 3 iirc) in the province.

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:eek:
I get what you are saying :hmmm:
Making niqaab an issue when it really isnt an issue…
Back to the same qs Whts the harm if I am wearing the niqaab ?

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Absolutely nothing.

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Then let me wear it.Period.

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Re: Muslim women in France put on medical masks

A French property tycoon has pleaded €1m from personal wealth to pay fines for any women fined for wearing hijab on streets. He is also raising more money in addition to €1m

A French property tycoon enraged at his government’s plans to ban women from wearing the full veil in public has promised a fund of €1m (£830,000) to help any Muslim who is fined for wearing the niqab in the street.

Rachid Nekkaz, a businessman of Algerian origin who launched a short-lived campaign in the 2007 presidential elections, has already put €200,000 into a bank account aimed at bailing out women who find themselves on the wrong side of the new law.

He insists that the ban, which was approved by the lower house of parliament on Tuesday and is set to be ratified by the senate in September, is “anti-constitutional” and a move that could put France on a slippery slope towards greater intolerance.

While he has no problem – like most of the French population – with an idea initially mooted by MPs of banning the full veil in state areas such as town halls and post offices, he is vehemently against a law that applies to women simply walking down the street.

“I am very, very sensitive to when people start playing around with institutions and the constitution. I was not shocked by the idea of a ban in public services; I am a [French] republican. But when I saw the president – the guarantor of the constitution – announcing a ban in the street I said to myself, ‘this is serious’”.

Nekkaz, who says his fund received €36,000 in donations in the 24 hours following its announcement and hopes it will reach €1m by September, is selling properties in the Parisian suburbs to keep the money coming in.

Under the planned law, any woman found wearing a face-covering veil anywhere in public faces a possible fine of €150 as well, potentially, as a course in “citizenship”. However, if she has been fined for wearing the garment in the street, she will be able to pay the charge from Nekkaz’s fund. The law, he hopes, will be made “inapplicable”.

“I think this would never happen in the United States or the United Kingdom … France is a country which is not scared to compromise its principles,” he said.

Nekkaz, a Muslim, is not the only one to have raised concerns about the viability of the law, due to come into full effect by spring next year. France’s constitutional watchdog has twice warned that it could be found to infringe personal freedoms.

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That is the most absurd analogy I have ever come across -----

We know from European history that in the 15th century, in Constantinople and Grenada, a lucid frontier severing the Muslim and the Christian world was set. With the wars of religion in Europe ending in the 17th century, and clerics relegating from civic life in France more than a century ago, even today it is mendaciously interpreted by most French that the politics of religion is ancient history ----- thus the message sent en clair ----- that in France, the wearing of head scarves has been portrayed as a Trojan Horse that would Islamize entire France.

"See it coming?" ----- ?????

Perhaps the true question of the debate here would be ----- is France integrating its well-nigh five million Muslim citizens into the laïque society they so very profoundly value? -----

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Oh yeah. A lot of Arab women smoke, and wear hijab.

When I lived in Dearborn, Michigan, most of the Lebanese women I knew smoked, even when they were pregnant. Oh… the stories I could tell…

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Ok, first of all, if that's the most absurd analogy you've ever come across, I'm going to assume that you've been very sheltered. Secondly, I said it reminded me of it. The state has ultimate authority over it's people (let's look at this from a practical, realistic perspective). We are talking about laws that are currently being passed, not those from the 1600's. The law in question concerns covering the face, not the hair. Covering the face is an entirely different issue, and has been foreign to French culture.

When I said it reminded me of a child lashing out at a parent, the state takes the role of the parent, and the citizen that of the child. The state issued a ruling for the citizen to follow. The citizen takes the most literal approach, and opts for something that not only acts as a slap in the face to the authority of the state, but attempts to undermine it's ruling by going around that ruling and finding what they deem the best alternative. Now, what you are assuming is that I find some fault with the citizen that does this, you are incorrect. However, the actions they have taken I find to be a reflection of this. It's a power struggle. Those women who wear the medical mask are trying to "one up," the state and flaunt their rebellion.

Medical masks are worn to protect from biological infections. They're worn to protect your immune system. These women do not wear these because they are preventing illness from being contracted, or spread. It's a misuse of something with a clear role, and thus will garner only more anger because of it's misuse.

The problem here is that these women are not just associating this ban with their religion, they view it as a slight against their ego. It becomes a slam against themselves as a person, not against what they believe. It becomes a power struggle based solely on that ego. They are not fighting for religion, they are fighting for their self expression. They cannot differentiate between the state's ruling on religion, so it becomes a ruling against them. This is why they are doing it. It's simply a reflection of their arrogance. Do you see how much pleasure people find in this? Some are positively giddy over these women flaunting this rebellion. It's immature, and does nothing more than fuel more animosity toward them, and by extension, Islam and Muslims as a whole.

That's not to say we should abandon fighting against clear injustice against Muslims (or any person), but we need to really rethink our priorities. The niqab is a very minor issue in the grander scheme of French society, and indeed, the global society. There are a myriad of problems that should take greater precedence, but people get so hung up on their self importance that we will continually ignore the bigger picture, and waste our time worrying about a piece of cloth.

Consider the consequences of flaunting rebellion, and consider the price you're willing to pay for a smaller issue. Quit fighting against the minor issues, and deal with the root problem instead. Minor victories remain minor until the battle ends. This shouldn't be a war, but pride fuels too many people into escalating these small disagreements into one.

Don't be fooled into thinking this is a fight solely for Islam.

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I've seen plenty of hijabis smoking over here in London as well (inc at my brother's wedding the other day lol)..

Some Muslims believe that smoking is disliked but not actually haram..

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Why don't these girls just leave the damn country? and go back to sharia land? I love it when fundamental muslims try to use "what happened to democratic freedomes" while trying to propogate their sharia beliefs. Who has double standards really?

Please pack up your bags and move back to sharia paradise.

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LOL

Who gives you right to say that dude?

Like I mentioned in another thread, why do you care if these women want to observe hijab or niqab?

You have serious problem either with freedom of choice or their religious conviction or both!