muslim speed dating

omg, i was at isna this year but i steered clear of the banquet (as i’m young, my parents are not desperate…yet :cb: ) but oh man i think this is so funny :rotfl: not that i’m against it, per se…i mean if you have to meet people at least this way their muslim and you know exactly what everyone’s looking for…but OMG, the part about the “corralled” mothers… :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: oh man, i just died hahhahahahahahaha

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/19/us/19dating.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=7700a569586fe1e2&ex=1159329600&emc=eta1

it’s kind of long, but its worth the read…ohhh man hehehehehehehe :rotfl:

September 19, 2006
It’s Muslim Boy Meets Girl, but Don’t Call It Dating
By NEIL MacFARQUHAR

CHICAGO — So here’s the thing about speed dating for Muslims.

Many American Muslims — or at least those bent on maintaining certain conservative traditions — equate anything labeled “dating” with hellfire, no matter how short a time is involved. Hence the wildly popular speed dating sessions at the largest annual Muslim conference in North America were given an entirely more respectable label. They were called the “matrimonial banquet.”

“If we called it speed dating, it will end up with real dating,” said Shamshad Hussain, one of the organizers, grimacing.

Both the banquet earlier this month and various related seminars underscored the difficulty that some American Muslim families face in grappling with an issue on which many prefer not to assimilate. One seminar, called “Dating,” promised attendees helpful hints for “Muslim families struggling to save their children from it.”

The couple of hundred people attending the dating seminar burst out laughing when Imam Muhamed Magid of the Adams Center, a collective of seven mosques in Virginia, summed up the basic instructions that Muslim American parents give their adolescent children, particularly males: “Don’t talk to the Muslim girls, ever, but you are going to marry them. As for the non-Muslim girls, talk to them, but don’t ever bring one home.”

“These kids grew up in America, where the social norm is that it is O.K. to date, that it is O.K. to have sex before marriage,” Imam Magid said in an interview. “So the kids are caught between the ideal of their parents and the openness of the culture on this issue.”

The questions raised at the seminar reflected just how pained many American Muslims are by the subject. One middle-aged man wondered if there was anything he could do now that his 32-year-old son had declared his intention of marrying a (shudder) Roman Catholic. A young man asked what might be considered going too far when courting a Muslim woman.

Panelists warned that even seemingly innocuous e-mail exchanges or online dating could topple one off the Islamic path if one lacked vigilance. “All of these are traps of the Devil to pull us in and we have no idea we are even going that way,” said Ameena Jandali, the moderator of the dating seminar.

Hence the need to come up with acceptable alternatives in North America, particularly for families from Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, where there is a long tradition of arranged marriages.

One panelist, Yasmeen Qadri, suggested that Muslim mothers across the continent band together in an organization called “Mothers Against Dating,” modeled on Mothers Against Drunk Driving. If the term “arranged marriage” is too distasteful to the next generation, she said, then perhaps the practice could be Americanized simply by renaming it “assisted marriage,” just like assisted living for the elderly.

“In the United States we can play with words however we want, but we are not trying to set aside our cultural values,” said Mrs. Qadri, a professor of education.

Basically, for conservative Muslims, dating is a euphemism for premarital sex. Anyone who partakes risks being considered morally louche, with their marriage prospects dimming accordingly, particularly young women.

Mrs. Qadri and other panelists see a kind of hybrid version emerging in the United States, where the young do choose their own mates, but the parents are at least partly involved in the process in something like half the cases.

Having the families involved can help reduce the divorce rate, Imam Majid said, citing a recent informal study that indicated that one third of Muslim marriages in the United States end in divorce. It was still far too high, he noted, but lower than the overall American average. Intermarriages outside Islam occur, but remain relatively rare, he said.

Scores of parents showed up at the marriage banquet to chaperone their children. Many had gone through arranged marriages — meeting the bride or groom chosen by their parents sometimes as late as their wedding day and hoping for the best. They recognize that the tradition is untenable in the United States, but still want to influence the process.

The banquet is considered one preferable alternative to going online, although that too is becoming more common. The event was unquestionably one of the big draws at the Islamic Society of North America’s annual convention, which attracted thousands of Muslims to Chicago over Labor Day weekend, with many participants bemoaning the relatively small pool of eligible candidates even in large cities.

There were two banquets, with a maximum 150 men and 150 women participating each day for $55 apiece. They sat 10 per table and the men rotated every seven minutes.

At the end there was an hourlong social hour that allowed participants time to collect e-mail addresses and telephone numbers over a pasta dinner with sodas. (Given the Muslim ban on alcohol, no one could soothe jumpy nerves with a drink.) Organizers said many of the women still asked men to approach their families first. Some families accept that the couple can then meet in public, some do not.

A few years ago the organizers were forced to establish a limit of one parent per participant and bar them from the tables until the social hour because so many interfered. Parents are now corralled along one edge of the reception hall, where they alternate between craning their necks to see who their adult children are meeting or horse-trading bios, photographs and telephone numbers among themselves.

Talking to the mothers — and participants with a parent usually take a mother — is like surveying members of the varsity suddenly confined to the bleachers.

“To know someone for seven minutes is not enough,” scoffed Awila Siddique, 46, convinced she was making better contacts via the other mothers.

Mrs. Siddique said her shy, 20-year-old daughter spent the hours leading up to the banquet crying that her father was forcing her to do something weird. “Back home in Pakistan, the families meet first,’’ she said. “You are not marrying the guy only, but his whole family.”

Samia Abbas, 59 and originally from Alexandria, Egypt, bustled out to the tables as soon as social hour was called to see whom her daughter Alia, 29, had met.

“I’m her mother so of course I’m looking for her husband,” said Mrs. Abbas, ticking off the qualities she was looking for, including a good heart, handsome, as highly educated as her daughter and a good Muslim.

Did he have to be Egyptian?

“She’s desperate for anyone!” laughed Alia, a vivacious technology manager for a New York firm, noting that the “Made in Egypt” stipulation had long since been cast overboard.

“Her cousin who is younger has babies now!” exclaimed the mother, dialing relatives on her cellphone to handicap potential candidates.

For doubters, organizers produced a success story, a strikingly good-looking pair of Chicago doctors who met at the banquet two years ago. Organizers boast of at least 25 marriages over the past six years.

Fatima Alim, 50, was disappointed when her son Suehaib, a 26-year-old pharmacist, did not meet anyone special on the first day. They had flown up from Houston especially for the event, and she figured chances were 50-50 that he would find a bride.

When she arrived in Texas as a 23-year-old in an arranged marriage, Mrs. Alim envied the girls around her, enthralled by their discussions about all the fun they were having with their boyfriends, she said, even if she was eventually shocked to learn how quickly they moved from one to the next and how easily they divorced. Still, she was determined that her children would chose their own spouses.

“We want a good, moderate Muslim girl, not a very, very modern girl,” she said. “The family values are the one thing I like better back home. Divorces are high here because of the corruption, the intermingling with other men and other women.”

For his part, Mr. Alim was resisting the strong suggestion from his parents that they switch tactics and start looking for a nice girl back in Pakistan. Many of the participants reject that approach, describing themselves as too Americanized — plus the visas required are far harder to obtain in the post-Sept. 11 world.

Mr. Alim said he still believed what he had been taught as a child, that sex outside marriage was among the gravest sins, but he wants to marry a fellow American Muslim no matter how hard she is to find.

“I think I can hold out a couple more years,” he said in his soft Texas drawl with a boyish smile. “The sooner the better, but I think I can wait. By 30, hopefully, even if that is kind of late.”

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How is this much different from what aunties do at shaddis or any community or family event :)

this sort of ting is there because #1- elders have failed in creating an atmosphere where ppl can meet one another #2- young folks in many cases have failed to take their destiny in their own hands

Yeah i guess one can say its kinda sad that this is needed. but it is trying to do its part to fill a gap in our community.

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imagine if the muslims had assimilated.

I mean if at least half of the Muslims had married non-Muslim girls from decent families.. Imagine the interaction and the awareness that would have brought with it.. wouldn't it have been far more difficult to steer such people towards a negative perception of Islam or Muslims if they were actually part of their own family in some ways?

But Muslims never learn and would prefer to remain pigeonholed..

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Its started happening more in second generation folks until the strange puritanical push over the last 2 decades.
as far as recent arrivals go, they know that most local men/women would not put up with their crap.

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This first time I heard of ISNA I was told that it is a “marriage convention”…and this posts confirms the statement…
Doesn’t hurt though as long as parents are involved and it is with sincere intentions of finding a suitable match for their child…
A little on the funny side I agree…but you can’t blame people either…I am saying this becuase I don’t want to end up 15 years from now looking for “dhoolas” for my 3 little girls … :lol:
:cb:

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I think Its good move...in right direction.....otherwise may be they end up being single.

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i'll reply more later

but i just quickly wanted to say, i don't think it's a bad idea

and i think that isna gets a bad rep...i love going, it's always good for my iman, i get to see so many old friends, its so nice and fun i always look fwd to it

i just think the way it was described, and frankly the situation...it is pretty funny...c'mon see the humor in it guys :D

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iv heard lots of hook-ups take place thereeee
:hehe:

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the spite with which all of u are naively accepting the expose’ if u will, let me tell u that it is a normal thing to meet people alone BUT never and not in troops.

that if parents or family is involved, for better or for worse, in any culture, Muslim or non-Muslims,

it has its own flaws, based on the participant/s and/or the insider or outsider onlookers..

as this article is clearly underscoring

yes, there might be such a thing as ‘mingling’ of prospects.
the manner might be awkward, in front of families.

but, don’t we know how much speed dating is abhorred as well by more sensible people in any culture?
don’t we know that the fish market mentality will have its own drawbacks, consequential for every body?
don’t we see that the idea behind this article, now, at this point in time, is yet one more assault on the

frugal ways of cultural ‘adaptations’ and the onus is conveniently thrown on those who have accepted to reluctantly experiment with this sort of prospecting atmosphere.

look at the www.jewishweek.com
and the www.christianmonitor.com
and find for ur self,

let alone, speeding dating in a meeting/ convention hall,… they have get together s of youth of their own in the churches and the synagogues.

so, if nytimes writer is doing this, on purpose, esp. as the caption of the article indicates,

at the least what u can do, is denounce this practice, not participate in the matrimonials, “de-tach” its relation to the Muslim community, because this is not our Muslim culture’s practice.

for what ever reason, parents or singles themselves, feel that this is a good way of hitting the right target… is at best a fallacy.
and since this practice is adapted from a culture that is not ‘ours’ as self-respecting women and men who know what we want and won’t look for it in the crowd of strangers, (even from our own back ground)"
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finding a life partner is not a sin.
methods for doing so, can certainly range from the graceful to the down right bizarre and absurd.

it is up to us, what we choose and how we do it
please clear up any one’s concepts in ur surroundings, esp. non-Muslims, who feel that Muslim families and youth looks for prospect finding in this absurd way. and as for those who feel that due to restrictions on normal one on one meeting with males and females, or due to a smaller pool for finding ‘suitable’
life partner, this is the only way to reach a positive result,

they know in their own hearts, how disrespectful it is to carry on a talk with a utter stranger and then move on to the next one in the interest of, ‘speed.’

a life long decision and relationship

cannot and ought not be built on this hollow manner of ‘soliciting’ or seaching a life partner.

in fact, Muslims should be able to point out effectively, the negative aspects of speed dates.

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^ eh?

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oh man it’s so scary now :bummer: esp if ur a girl, anywhere u go there r AUNTIES checking u out :frowning: kinda scary :stuck_out_tongue:

at shaadis, melas, u name it…one time these 3-4 aunties all circled around me and my friend at the Pakistan Indep. Day mela and they were trying to be all modern “ohhhh verryyy prettyy…u have phone number??? i can talk to ur mom? ammi? u speak urdu??? SALAM MERA BETA HAI NA…i’m lookin girl for him :hehe:” i was like :smack: and saying ‘uff tauba’ in my head. their approach is so rude sumtimes, i mean they didn’t even ask me my name :bummer: they just scare girls. my friend is half white, so she was like "WHAT THE HELL :konfused:"i went and told my mom and she started laughing…and my dad’s face was like “:grumpy:

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It probably was a good idea to cope with the societal situation, but just the fact that desi aunties interfere, and so many people are around you intruding on you and watching you (the desi factor), I don't think its such a great idea.

I think its somewhat contradictory too. These same desi families are NOT okay if their kid talks to someone or befriends someone for a relationship (non-physical, but romantic), and yet at the same time, its ok to sit there and evaluate my daughter for 7 minutes at a convention and figure out whether you're interested in sending over a proposal or not.

I don't get desi mentality. I don't see how that's being religious.

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you dont have to go there with your parents. I know 2 guys and 2 girls who went there last year and none of them went with their parents.

As far as aunties and others watching or whatver, i do believe that happens in most arranged/introduced situations whether it is at some community/family event or the chai parade.

and i dont know of anyone ho sends a proposal after 7 minutes, its more of an introduction and breaking the ice bit.

It works for some, it does not work for some, and nothing works for some :)

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dushwari so what islamicly acceptable introductioon approaches are practiced normally? are chai parades that are so acceptab;e islamic? is meeting ppl at mehndis islamic? are advertisements (i.e. matrimonial ads) acceptable..

I would think that meeting in groups is preferred over meeting individually because i suppose ppl may have a issue with a guy and a girl meeting alone.

For all those knocking this approach to solve an issue about which we see ppl whie about in our communities and on this site..i.e. finding the right matches, find another one, take the initiative and do it.

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A guy I know went last year. The ratio isn't great, so there's way more girls than guys. He said people were mostly just chatting casually, getting to know each other, and exchanging info if interested.

It's a nice idea, but because it's done by volunteers who are busy, it seemed very disorganized. There is definitely potential, and I think as time goes on, people get more comfortable and open up, etc, I think it will be successful.