Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
america, china and russia all have government army of cyber hackers
once upon a time Cyber Security Force under the command of JSHQ, Chaklala were working on key national security project.. .. after hard work of countless months, they were like only less then 1% away from the target... aur "batti chali gai". Moral of the story, chaader dekh kar paoon philaein.
Guess what irony will be that US/China will train us in cyber security :D
Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
Ok so she is attacking openly Anti Islamic sites, but since when does Islam teach one to use illegal means to defend Islam?
And im not a supporter of these sites in any way, but what exactly is she accomplishing? All that will happen is that the sites will return, this time with even more supporters, with a banner reading, "Muslim Fascists trying to stifle freedom of speech!"
Look what happned after the South Park episode created an entire Facebook movement in which Thousands of people submitted their drawing of the prophet of Islam (PBUH)
So while shutting down these sites keeps them down for a short time, they only reappear, and with even more vial and vitriol in store.
If her agenda is to stop such sites, she isnt going to be successful in the long run.
The point being, as with any form of protest that involves attacking the other side, the end result is usually zero gain and multiple loss.
And whats her beef with Porn? What other unIslmic sites is she justified in attacking? Should she be allowed to attack western alcohol or pork purveyors? I mean where does it end?!?! Supporting such a person really is a slippery slope.
The problem as always is a lack of foresight and reason on the part of those who give blind support to such people without considering what is actually being accomplished.
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Whose law is it to allow the denigration of the prophet? Please don't bring up freedom of speech -- because this is a clear abuse of that freedom.
Just like Holocaust denial in many EU states is illegal, insulting the Prophets (ALL) should not be permitted.
She is righteous amongst the cowardly masses.
What is she accomplishing... Will her actions create understanding and promote harmony among religions, or simply feed the fires of those claiming Muslims are intolerant of others and their opinions?
Doesnt it seem futile, when you consider that such actions only create MORE not less misgivings among Non Muslims about Islam and Muslims in general? Today she takes down one site, tomorrow there will be ten more in retaliation.
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I agree she is not doing you a favor. This will only lead to another "draw muhammad day page on facebook or faithfreedom/freethinker website". Why not concentrate on improving the many things that are wrong within your society? Don't let anti-islamic websites bother you. Remember only a criminal comes back to erase all evidence from the crime site. You are only proving the other party right!
How about fixing what's wrong with women's rights, poverty, corruption, you get the point..?
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first you said you use your common sense in previous post, now you contradict yourself by saying its not my opinion???
Very simple sister disabled websites attacking prophet(saw)
you said its illegal against islamic teachings
i asked you to Give one evidence from islam that says what she did was wrong
you have failed to do so this means you are wrong with your condemnation of the sister.
Even simpler question for you...
Muslims are allowed by Islam to commit a crime in the defense of Islam and the prophet? Can muslims also murder, steal, lie and cheat?
Last I checked, even in the defense of Islam, there were clear boundaries beyond which we are not allowed to transgress. Defending Islam is not a blank check to do whatever you like.
Your now going to ask for a specific passage from the Koran or Hadith specifically pertaining to Internet websites. Sorry there are none, but there are multiple passages on using logic and reason where specific references cant be found... Or did you skip those passages?
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I think the sister is doing great job, i don't see any problem in defending the prophet (saw) this is duty of all muslims.
second part of story says the sister catch some men who try to blackmail women, this is also great job on part of the sister.
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@ Khalik Khan Fakhta:
I would like to remind you the quote friend: Never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience. :)
Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
@ Khalik Khan Fakhta:
I would like to remind you the quote friend: Never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience. :)
lol...thank you...actually i do practice that...i hardly ever argue...i put forward my point of view and let others take it or leave it...u can't convince someone who has an agenda. :)
Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
So I was just wondering... just for an example, if according to the Islamic law the blasphemer of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) is ordered to be killed in a fatwa, and killing the blasphemer is against that country's law... what should the Muslim follow: the law of his religion or that state's?
And if we are ordered to go as far as killing that person to defend our Prophet (peace be upon him), than doesn't this attempt seem justified?
Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
So I was just wondering... just for an example, if according to the Islamic law the blasphemer of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) is ordered to be killed in a fatwa, and killing the blasphemer is against that country's law... what should the Muslim follow: the law of his religion or that state's?
And if we are ordered to go as far as killing that person to defend our Prophet (peace be upon him), than doesn't this attempt seem justified?
lt's make one point very clear...Islamically, INDIVIDUALS have NO right to mete out Islamic punishments. **it's ALWAYS the duty and right of the Islamic State. This is why we must strive to establish an Islamic where Muslims can practice their religion freely...but again, this establishment of deen must come about thru Islamically legal means and defo NOT thru individual violent jihaad.
now, one must follow the law of the land [daar ul Harb]. we can NOT tale law into our own hands.**
Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
So I was just wondering... just for an example, if according to the Islamic law the blasphemer of our beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) is ordered to be killed in a fatwa, and killing the blasphemer is against that country's law... what should the Muslim follow: the law of his religion or that state's? And if we are ordered to go as far as killing that person to defend our Prophet (peace be upon him), than doesn't this attempt seem justified?
This is a totally different topic, bu I disagree with the thing about killing a blasphemer in view of the great tolerance and humanity show by Hazrat Muhammad SAW. He would not have wanted such needless violence.
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lt's make one point very clear...Islamically, INDIVIDUALS have NO right to mete out Islamic punishments. **it's ALWAYS the duty and right of the Islamic State. This is why we must strive to establish an Islamic where Muslims can practice their religion freely...but again, this establishment of deen must come about thru Islamically legal means and defo NOT thru individual violent jihaad.
now, one must follow the law of the land [daar ul Harb]. we can NOT tale law into our own hands.**
yes establishment come by legal means according to islam but also it is duty to defend our prophet(saw) by technology it allowed especially if non muslim start abusing.
if non muslim attack by violence muslim our right to defend our self even in non muslim country
your argument about law of land is correct but not complete it makes no sense, if law of land say you have to eat pig or drink alcohol you as muslim do not follow that law so not every law accepted if it compromise muslim life.
Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
lt's make one point very clear...Islamically, INDIVIDUALS have NO right to mete out Islamic punishments. **it's ALWAYS the duty and right of the Islamic State. This is why we must strive to establish an Islamic where Muslims can practice their religion freely...but again, this establishment of deen must come about thru Islamically legal means and defo NOT thru individual violent jihaad.
now, one must follow the law of the land [daar ul Harb]. we can NOT tale law into our own hands.**
I agree with your daar-ul-harb point... but then it does lead to many other questions like whether to accept the banning of the headscarf in France etc., but yeah that's a different topic.
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your argument about law of land is correct but not complete it makes no sense, if law of land say you have to eat pig or drink alcohol you as muslim do not follow that law so not every law accepted if it compromise muslim life.
Leave that land then.
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I agree with your daar-ul-harb point... but then it does lead to many other questions like whether to accept the banning of the headscarf in France etc., but yeah that's a different topic.
Nobody is forcing Muslims to live in France. See my above post.
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Leave that land then.
While I agree with ur point in principle, it raises one question. At what point are immigrant french, muslim or otherwise, sufficiently french enough that they can make demands of their govt? It would be unfair to tell a second or third generation french citizen to accept every policy of the french govt or leave. The immigration process is a two way street. If they choose to come france, then it was the french who let them in.
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I agree with your daar-ul-harb point... but then it does lead to many other questions like whether to accept the banning of the headscarf in France etc., but yeah that's a different topic.
**yes it is...one may fight thru court system against such unfair laws or bring change through political process...if nothing works...accept it or leave the country where u can NOT practice ur religion.
as i believe, ONLY face is banned from being covered up. Hijaab is still allowed...right? if Hijaab is allowed, then i would be OK with it for my sisters because covering face is NOT reqquired by Islam...it's more of a tradition.**
Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
While I agree with ur point in principle, it raises one question. At what point are immigrant french, muslim or otherwise, sufficiently french enough that they can make demands of their govt? It would be unfair to tell a second or third generation french citizen to accept every policy of the french govt or leave. The immigration process is a two way street. If they choose to come France, then it was the french who let them in.
IMO, they are "French enough" as soon as they get their French passports. But to make demands, they need to be in a majority, don't you think. Christians here live under the "Islamic" constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan (at least in principle lol).
In the case of the Burka Ban, the French Parliament , elected by the FRENCH people supports it. When Muslims have a majority in the parliament, they can repeal it.
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IMO, they are "French enough" as soon as they get their French passports. But to make demands, they need to be in a majority, don't you think. Christians here live under the "Islamic" constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan (at least in principle lol).
In the case of the Burka Ban, the French Parliament , elected by the FRENCH people supports it. When Muslims have a majority in the parliament, they can repeal it.
This is a complicated issue. The majority is not always right, and minority is not always wrong. Often, the greatest injustices of history have been committed at the behest of the majority.
In the case of the Minorities in Pakistan for example, many, perhaps the majority, would support laws which are abused and used to discriminate against minorities. But that does not justify these laws. The Blasphemy law, the Anti Ahmadi laws etc, are clearly in wrong, yet they are the law.
Would you say that Christians, Hindus, Ahmadis etc have no right to protest and demand change of their govt if they are infact Pakistani?
Same applies in France. Should minority French citizens not have a right to demand change of their govt? After all, it is as much their govt as it is the Majorities.
Re: Muslim sister disables anti islam websites
This is a complicated issue. The majority is not always right, and minority is not always wrong. Often, the greatest injustices of history have been committed at the behest of the majority.
In the case of the Minorities in Pakistan for example, many, perhaps the majority, would support laws which are abused and used to discriminate against minorities. But that does not justify these laws. The Blasphemy law, the Anti Ahmadi laws etc, are clearly in wrong, yet they are the law. Would you say that Christians, Hindus, Ahmadis etc have no right to protest and demand change of their govt if they are infact Pakistani? Same applies in France. Should minority French citizens not have a right to demand change of their govt? After all, it is as much their govt as it is the Majorities.
Democracy isn't perfect, but it's about as close as it gets. And don't you think it is unfair to compare laws like the Blasphemy Law (which has been repeatedly used to persecute Christians) with laws like the Burka Ban? I doubt any French Muslim has been killed as a result of the law.
Also, I agree that the majority may often be wrong or misled, but that's the way it works. The merits of the democratic system far outweigh it's short comings (like the scenario being discussed here). BTW, most of the people of Pakistan do not believe that Anti-Ahmedi Law and Blasphemy Law are in the wrong.
Everyone has a different perspective. I think that the Hudood Ordinance, Inheritance Law and in fact, ALL ISLAMIC BASED laws in the constitution shouldn't be there; Pakistan should be secular. From my perspective, the majority of Pakistan's population are wrong. From theirs, I'm a RAW/Mossad agent.