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Originally posted by lindi:
** yah u r right but i will look it up again to make sure........i know everything is in Quran......**
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Yup, its in Quran but is not explicit. Hadith explains clearly what is meant when Quran says "gueard your ears".
i dont thing that whati am doing is a sin nayab jee… but what i saw nowadays is that muslim r just after music and indian movie(not all) and i dont understand why did pakistan apart from india while they r also after the kufir things?there is no use in making paki?what do u think?
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Originally posted by SunnyBoy:
** Lindi .. may i have Any Sources ...
Thx in Advance ..
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i am checking and will soon let u know ....
Music can be beautiful, uplifting, spiritual, relaxing, healing, peaceful, nourishing, motivational, tranquil, inspiring, etc.
Why would God deny us those pleasures? I feel sorry for those who deny themselves these heaven-like delectations that we are blessed to have while here on earth.
Do those of you who believe music is forbidden believe that it will be disallowed in heaven as well?
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Originally posted by Seminole:
Music can be beautiful, uplifting, spiritual, relaxing, healing, peaceful, nourishing, motivational, tranquil, inspiring, etc.
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Dear Seminole, it depends what you are accostomed to. For me, it does not have the above effects at all.
Besides, choclates, sweeties and sugar can have the same effect (as you have mentioned), but not for a diabetic! As too can cigarettes and drugs.
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Originally posted by Seminole:
Why would God deny us those pleasures? I feel sorry for those who deny themselves these heaven-like delectations that we are blessed to have while here on earth.
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If the doctor denies the diabetic patient his sweet desiral pleasures, or if a lung cancer patient is prohibitted from smoking, then who is to argue with the doc?
Aside from this, if you TRULY love someone, then you obey them. Who truly claims to love God?
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originally posted by seminold:
Do those of you who believe music is forbidden believe that it will be disallowed in heaven as well?
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I myself, do not know the answer to this. Perhaps Ibrahim can answer.
But what i can say, is that the pleasures of Paradise will be many many times more delightful, than the pleasures of this life. The inheritor of Paradise shall not even give a second thought to the pleasures which he/she had once experienced in on earth. Then why not concentrate in obtaining the never ending and eternal pleasures and desires of the Hereafter, at the cost of being seduced by the lesser pleasures of this temporary life on earth?
&peace
… Show me where it says music is bad and why? Muslims think everything is HARAM… If thats the case, hell id rather be Buddhist
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If you people stopped trying to find ways to make your life crappier then it already is, you might live a happier life. For all the self righteous Muslim Fundos out their, GET A LIFE!!!
**Note from moderator: Use respectable and appropriate language while addressing others. In future, even if there is a hint of any vulgar language, the whole post shall be deleted. I hope i have made myself clear.
Sentinel.**
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would you mind providing a definition of Munafiq from Quran?
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Do u pray five times a day?
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Please read Quran: 4.142
Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah, and He shall requite their deceit to them, and when they stand up to prayer they stand up sluggishly; they do it only to be seen of men and do not remember Allah save a little.
According to Quran, even those who pray might be hypocrites (munafiq).
Also read:
[63.1] When the hypocrites come to you, they say: We bear witness that you are most surely Allah's Apostle; and Allah knows that you are most surely His Apostle, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are surely liars.
Please kindly read chapter 63.
There is a lot more. Some of ur conditions are NOT of "munafiq" but sinners, sinful believers.
There is no word about music in Quran. No word about Movies in Quran, but in Ahadith you will find some words about music. No word about "do not save for trips". yes there are some word for parents, helping poor, orphans etc.
So please gather knowledge first or put up your thread/queries in a better way.
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Originally posted by lindi:
if that's not true answer me :
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munafiq........
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May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
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Exactly
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God gave us the gift of song, we didn;t create it.
Can those that are so against music please be so kind as to explain how it can be harmful in any way at all??
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
Can those that are so against music please be so kind as to explain how it can be harmful in any way at all??
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"Harmful" as in "killed/wounded by gun" (meaning obvious/apparent one) Or "wounded by words" (hidden/unseen) ?
Anyway, I suggest you start a separate thread for MUSIC only and lets see what people have as reference on this issue.
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
Harmful in whatever way possible.. Harmful as any other sin. Harmful to our souls.
There's probably a discussion going on in another thread about music -- but let me say this much
those who like to say music is Haraam and that its explicitly stated in the Quran -- it would be really appreciated if you could provide some semblence of a reference to these ayahs. In that way, we learn more -- and those new to this forum or even new to Islam can see where the claim -- Music is Haraam comes from.
To my knowledge - and I certainly have sought a great deal thus far - the word "music" is never used in the Quran and no such statement as "those who listen to music will be punished in the hereafter" is ever used.
There IS a probation against listening or talking "idle words" and "vain words" if I remember the translations posted up here and elsewhere correctly - and if my memory of what I've read in the Quran serves me correctly.
Firstly - music is sound created by an instrument - thus it can't be classified as "words". And the Holy Quran , which is God's word by the way, doesn't use the phrases : music or sound from instruments - but uses "words".
Perhaps, you wish to say Songs are Haraam - songs are where both music and lyrics (words) are used. But remember there is an adjective preceding "words" -- along the lines of "idle" and "vain"...some songs are made in Praise of God - so is this "idle" and "vain"? Furthermore, when poetry that is about Good or promotes Good, using poetical and literary devices certainly is not haraam -- thus, a song in which the good is being sung about or is being defended/promoted, etc -- is probably not HARAAM -- I use the HOly QUran to back my claims.
Granted there are some hadith which talk about the severity of prohibition ag/ music -- and they do talk about music as defined as sound from an instrument -- but since these hadith would be hard to disprove or prove authentic as there is not reference to music in the Quran, and only a indirect reference is made to songs, and since not all songs are idle or vain -- there is limited support on the phrase :
Music is Haraam.
Perhaps "Music is discouraged", or "Songs that promote the Bad are discouraged", etc may be a more correct statement.
Let me also add - because I KNOW someone is going to come along and twist my words somewhere along the line --
that certain types of songs you hear on the radio - classical example of today's music would be EMINEM -- Yes, the lyrical content is indeed harmful to any human.
He preaches Hatred in his songs, he sells using mockery and a sneering voice as poetic devices -- he's all in all not worthy to be heard by a true muslim's ear -- my bias.
However, when Jawaad Ahmed wrote the song "Allah mere dil ke andhar" (God in my heart) -- then do you HONESTLY think he was sinning?
Do you honestly think that God did not like hearing what He heard in this song?
Do you honestly think that God is not overjoiced when He hears someone singing along to the song?
Ah, well, at least I tried.
If listening to music means that you "might" listen to "bad" music that will take your mind away from Allah, then stop reading and looking also because you might read something or see something that might make your mind go away from allah. For Example, there are things on internet that can really take you to hell in less than 60 seconds. There is certainly more vulgar and sexual oriented talk and stuff on this board than in all the Pakistani music combined. Stay away from it or you might be signing your permament visa to hell.
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Originally posted by PyariCgudia:
*However, when Jawaad Ahmed wrote the song "Allah mere dil ke andhar" (God in my heart) -- then do you HONESTLY think he was sinning?
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Bibi of course he is sinning. Making bad music is an even bigger sin than making music at all.
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u guys r closed minded .........we have no right to ask what God command us to do!we r nothing ok!cut the crap!satan was kick out from the angels just becoz of saying "why" to bow to Adam! i dont care if u guys keep on listening to it coz u will soon have ur result .....and ahmad i can feel that u r very far from islam....what u like is to enjoy and u r a slave of this material world...and why we dont use drawings of human in mosque is becoz we respect our prophets and apostles and we r not allowded to draw their faces ........is a respect and is nothing to do with what u r saying .....
Dear people,
lindi wrote:
if that's not true answer me :
Do u listen music?
Do u watch movies?
Do u watch nudy movies ?
Do u respect parents?
Do u help the poor ?
Do u pray five times a day?
Do u save money for trip instead of saving for hajj?
check urself ....u only see urself a munafiq........
filhaal:
this once again shows that ISLAM nowadays has been degraded to merely a checklist. AND this is the problem with the whole islamic world!!
do you do this?? do you do that??
ISLAM nowadays as it is performed by the masses is just about the body and the motions and not AS it was meant about the MIND and THE MESSAGE!!
there is no explicit ruling on music in the quran !! (may-be something in the so-called authentic hadith)
music containing text that could be offending or promoting immoral behaviour could be bad and as such advisible not to listen to and this advice is part of the general morals and manners. BUT THERE IS NO EXPLICIT RULE AGAINST MUSIC.
As-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
Regarding the ruling on music according to the Qur’ran and sunnah please go to the following site:
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=5000&dgn=3
Please look at the evidences. They answer what some have been asking - PROOF whether music is permissible.
jazzaku Allaah khair
Wa Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
thanx everyone for giving their comment !
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but i am not going to reply to this anymore coz i think many of u r quite far from islam and i am not a Apostle that i can change u people …so go ur way and i will go my way ..um i am not offending anyone and sorry if i was abit rude …good luck to u all momin…
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