Re: Muslim riots…
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Not at all…
Calling this ‘intifada’ as a Muslim Riot is like saying that Katrina’s victims were ‘Black Looters’…
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Nobody ascribed anything to Islam as a result of these riots. The fact remains, (one which you choose to blatantly ignore) that something like 100% rioters were muslim youth. A repeated inability to see the reality as it is diminishes your own credibility.
Re: Muslim riots…
^^
Then why aren’t the IRA, the US and British forces labelled as Christian terrorists? You never hear that, do you? A fact blatantly ignored by the media…
OG, since when did you start thinking about correct mentions in the press?
Forget the 600lb…When the best media in the world conveniently forgets to mention the truly inhuman and merciless atrocities in Iraq, that’s like ignoring a 600 lbs of dead human cadavers in a room…
I distinctly don't remember any news covering the barbaric assault on Fallujah and its after math...
Take a peek in WA…I posted a link that will give you a small glimpse of what happened in Fallujah…It’s just a tiny peek…
OG, you forget…We live in the 21st century now where the internet has been invented…This is not the 30’s or the 40s where Goebbels could claim one thing in the media and it could not be unlidded…
Americans ask, why does the world hate us...It's simple...Because the truth is out there...Not in the American media...
Re: Muslim riots…
Odd Lajjy, you have two quotes from other news sources that have rioters claiming that they are having a “jihad”, and claiming to be having the French "intifadah’, and the prefered news source can’t even mention the word Muslim in the report? Talk about pandering to your viewers. Perhaps it would just be better to shove your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and scream “lalalalalalalal” in hopes that this all goes away.
Others of course are taking a little dimmer view:
**Wake up, Europe, you’ve a war on your hands **
November 6, 2005
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
Ever since 9/11, I’ve been gloomily predicting the European powder keg’s about to go up. ‘‘By 2010 we’ll be watching burning buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every night,’’ I wrote in Canada’s Western Standard back in February.
Silly me. The Eurabian civil war appears to have started some years ahead of my optimistic schedule. As Thursday’s edition of the Guardian reported in London: ‘‘French youths fired at police and burned over 300 cars last night as towns around Paris experienced their worst night of violence in a week of urban unrest.’’
‘‘French youths,’’ huh? You mean Pierre and Jacques and Marcel and Alphonse? Granted that most of the “youths” are technically citizens of the French Republic, it doesn’t take much time in les banlieus of Paris to discover that the rioters do not think of their primary identity as ‘‘French’’: They’re young men from North Africa growing ever more estranged from the broader community with each passing year and wedded ever more intensely to an assertive Muslim identity more implacable than anything you’re likely to find in the Middle East. After four somnolent years, it turns out finally that there really is an explosive ‘‘Arab street,’’ but it’s in Clichy-sous-Bois.
The notion that Texas neocon arrogance was responsible for frosting up trans-Atlantic relations was always preposterous, even for someone as complacent and blinkered as John Kerry. If you had millions of seething unassimilated Muslim youths in lawless suburbs ringing every major city, would you be so eager to send your troops into an Arab country fighting alongside the Americans? For half a decade, French Arabs have been carrying on a low-level intifada against synagogues, kosher butchers, Jewish schools, etc. The concern of the political class has been to prevent the spread of these attacks to targets of more, ah, general interest. They seem to have lost that battle. Unlike America’s Europhiles, France’s Arab street correctly identified Chirac’s opposition to the Iraq war for what it was: a sign of weakness.
The French have been here before, of course. Seven-thirty-two. Not 7:32 Paris time, which is when the nightly Citroen-torching begins, but 732 A.D. – as in one and a third millennia ago. By then, the Muslims had advanced a thousand miles north of Gibraltar to control Spain and southern France up to the banks of the Loire. In October 732, the Moorish general Abd al-Rahman and his Muslim army were not exactly at the gates of Paris, but they were within 200 miles, just south of the great Frankish shrine of St. Martin of Tours. Somewhere on the road between Poitiers and Tours, they met a Frankish force and, unlike other Christian armies in Europe, this one held its ground ‘‘like a wall . . . a firm glacial mass,’’ as the Chronicle of Isidore puts it. A week later, Abd al-Rahman was dead, the Muslims were heading south, and the French general, Charles, had earned himself the surname ‘‘Martel’’ – or ‘‘the Hammer.’’
Poitiers was the high-water point of the Muslim tide in western Europe. It was an opportunistic raid by the Moors, but if they’d won, they’d have found it hard to resist pushing on to Paris, to the Rhine and beyond. ‘‘Perhaps,’’ wrote Edward Gibbon in The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, ‘‘the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.’’ There would be no Christian Europe. The Anglo-Celts who settled North America would have been Muslim. Poitiers, said Gibbon, was ‘‘an encounter which would change the history of the whole world.’’
Battles are very straightforward: Side A wins, Side B loses. But the French government is way beyond anything so clarifying. Today, a fearless Muslim advance has penetrated far deeper into Europe than Abd al-Rahman. They’re in Brussels, where Belgian police officers are advised not to be seen drinking coffee in public during Ramadan, and in Malmo, where Swedish ambulance drivers will not go without police escort. It’s way too late to rerun the Battle of Poitiers. In the no-go suburbs, even before these current riots, 9,000 police cars had been stoned by ‘‘French youths’’ since the beginning of the year; some three dozen cars are set alight even on a quiet night. ‘‘There’s a civil war under way in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,’’ said Michel Thooris of the gendarmes’ trade union Action Police CFTC. ‘‘We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical or theoretical training for street fighting.’’
What to do? In Paris, while ‘‘youths’’ fired on the gendarmerie, burned down a gym and disrupted commuter trains, the French Cabinet split in two, as the ‘‘minister for social cohesion’’ (a Cabinet position I hope America never requires) and other colleagues distance themselves from the interior minister, the tough-talking Nicolas Sarkozy who dismissed the rioters as ‘‘scum.’’ President Chirac seems to have come down on the side of those who feel the scum’s grievances need to be addressed. He called for ‘‘a spirit of dialogue and respect.’’ As is the way with the political class, they seem to see the riots as an excellent opportunity to scuttle Sarkozy’s presidential ambitions rather than as a call to save the Republic.
A few years back I was criticized for a throwaway observation to the effect that ''I find it easier to be optimistic about the futures of Iraq and Pakistan than, say, Holland or Denmark." But this is why. In defiance of traditional immigration patterns, these young men are less assimilated than their grandparents. French cynics like the prime minister, Dominique de Villepin, have spent the last two years scoffing at the Bush Doctrine: Why, everyone knows Islam and democracy are incompatible. If so, that’s less a problem for Iraq or Afghanistan than for France and Belgium.
If Chirac isn’t exactly Charles Martel, the rioters aren’t doing a bad impression of the Muslim armies of 13 centuries ago: They’re seizing their opportunities, testing their foe, probing his weak spots. If burning the 'burbs gets you more ‘‘respect’’ from Chirac, they’ll burn 'em again, and again. In the current issue of City Journal, Theodore Dalrymple concludes a piece on British suicide bombers with this grim summation of the new Europe: ‘‘The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict.’’ Which sounds an awful lot like a new Dark Ages.
Re: Muslim riots…
That looks like an opening line from someone making a case for the holocaust after the Reichstag fire…
So, how do we defuse this ‘time bomb’? Is there a final solution to this problem?
And if putting fingers in the ear and screaming lalalala was an art, I think the Americans would be the prodigies…
If learning from past history is of any value, the Germans were the greatest ear stuffers and lalalaers of their time…The result, as history knows, was horrible…
But the Germans were always right…How could they go wrong? They possessed the power, the drive and the ideology that drove them to bend everyone to their way of thinking…
It was either you were with the Germans or against them…
Re: Muslim riots...
^^ I would suppose that Western Europe is in deep do do.
The most immediate course of action is mass deportations of illegal immegrants, and a further suspension of immigration from North Africa. That is a politically palatable solution for the time being. After that, who knows....
Re: Muslim riots...
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I would suggest simply exterminating them...A heavy conscience is a heavy load to bear...There's only so much ear stuffing anyone can do...Better to bury someone than hear their protests...
Of course trying to think what it is that prompted all of this, to find a peaceful solution and to reconcile the differences, deportations and suspension of immigration seems the way to go...That's two fingers in one ear...
Of course the recent ban on Hijabs, deportation of critics and an all around suppression of basic freedoms and rampant racism had nothing to do with it...These people are just violent and need to be kicked out...Even after being third generation French...
We don't care...Just kick 'em all...lalala...
Re: Muslim riots...
This will lead other non Muslim countries who have taken pro Muslim stand on Iraq war to rethink their decision. Good job to whoever is behind these riots.
Re: Muslim riots...
oh yeah? how about this - most of the rioters are african immigrants. so does anyone call it african riots?
or how abt this - most rioters in LA were blacks; so was it in neworleans...and now in paris. so does anyone say these are black riots?
riots happen due to poverty and hopelessness. it's wrong to characterize it as by any religion.
Re: Muslim riots…
US and British forces are unjustifiably everywhere but for spreading their religion. They are there fore the age old reason. Oil. Although the conflict in the norhtern Ireland is based on religion, it is basically two sects of the same religion. IRA were defiinitelt terrorists although it is preposterour to call them Christain terrorists. They were not fighting with Provos to convert them to catholocism ore vice versa. Your posts are totally unbelievable.