So what are the thoughts on Ahmediyya 'Movement' here these days?
is there a specific ahemediyya movement? i am not aware of it, where is it? in pakistan or europe? and what is its agenda
Well they are non-muslims and will always remain non-muslims since there is consensus about it among all the ulmas of all muslim countries. Hence they deserve all the rights that are given to minorities n small groups in an ideal setup.
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It's not my job to determine that. They should be free to identify as whatever without fear of being attacked by some nutjobs.
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They're fine by me. They aren't harming anyone so the hurt feelings associated with them identifying as Muslim is irrational.
Same as before
No changed
place is dead so no 'movement' here these days unlike the days of locking threads ages ago
So free posting la
I wonder how's Bobby?
I just hope you arent starting any movement here OP lol.
same shit...but more polarization..
those who were against them are gone full on nutcase...
and those in support also going full on nutcase
middleground people are same as before.
An Ahmadi ex-colleague of mine was playing low key and trying to blend in with the crowd at work. He would avoid any religious comment or would just nod away. Now that he has immigrated to Canada, he has activated his religion chip and spewing all tje garbage he can on his facebook. Its funny. We ask him when you gonna visit Pakistan and he goes never. I wonder why.
^ Yeah there are nut jobs in all religions/movements.
They are people and their belief system should not be discussed by the majority of the country. Because such discussion are tool to marginalize them rather an any thing else.
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The rejection of the message of the last messenger Mohammed PBUH by the ahmediyah movement about the seal of prophethood - that there are not going to be any new prophets till the end of times is now widely known due to social media. And now more people are aware of the scam the ahmediya movement is. No one can reject the last prophet's message, believe a indian guy is a new prophet or Jesus sent back to the world a second time & still call themselves a Muslim. The movement is only about trashing not only Islam, but also two prophets. Mohammed pbuh & Issa pbhu. Aware & nonconfused people already know. Many unaware, new learners or silly people still get stuck by that scam when they start study of Islam. But Fitnabaaz people exist everywhere & in every community so such people block the truth & stop the awareness by trashing more of Islam due to their own incapacity to understand a very simple fact about Islam... the fact that one cannot call him/herself a Muslim after rejecting a core Islamic belief - That Muhammad PBUH is the last messenger of Allah & there is not going to be any new prophet after him till the end of times... And since ahmedis defend an Indian guy to be a new prophet, the wiser amongst the Muslims & nonmuslim are well aware of the scam spread by satan through ahmediya movement.
15 years or 50 years or 500 years. People will come & go. But the fact that Muhammed PBUH was a seal to prophethood & there is not going to come any new prophet & that Indian guy is not Jesus sent back to the world is never going to change till the end of times. Wise people will always know that.
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**Ye movements aur is trh ki be shumar dramey baziyan qayamat tk jari rhein gi...Jb tk iblees ko mohlat mili hui hai...!!
Is trh k bht aey aur barbaad hue, ye bhi jald hi fanaa hone wale hain In sha Allah...
Is qism ki movements k bare mein na kal views change thy, na 12-15 saal baad hue aur na kbhi hon gey!!**
Ahmedi founder used to be sunni muslim then he sold his iman to british. Photo se bhi ajeeb vibes ati hain. They can think what they wana think. They can say to world they follow Islam. Nobody can stop persons thinking. But mainstream ulema still says there are far from traditional Islam. So let them think. Sanu ki? We not gona get sawab for forcing them to believe our way or hurting them.
Why does mainstream Islami followers go to extreme to denigrate Ahmadis as non muslims? or kaffirs....Mormons are considered christians while having Joe Bro as their prophet.....so why not Ahmadis.....they believe in Muhammad PBUH and yet have another prophet or rather a reinforcer of islam...islamic principles.....I dont particularly see anything wrong with that.....but why denigrate and have such hatred?
Why repeating the same questions that were answered in post # 12?
Ahmedis reject a core islamic belief - a belief to accept which is a prerequisite to being a Muslim. A belief without accepting which one cannot be a Muslim whether a new revert or a new born. That's why ahmedis are accepted as a nonmuslim minority in all the Muslim countries. And as 'good muslims' by anti Islamic people.
Islam is the only religion that requires its followers to believe in seal of prophethood. No other religion requires its followers to accept that & no prophets of the world said they were the last prophet sent to earth except Mohammed PBUH. So you only need common sense to understand why followers of other religions are allowed to believe in new prophets. It's because their messengers did not claim to be the last one sent to earth.
There is no hate but simple pure common sense. It's ahmedis that hate muslims for telling them they must accept Mohammed PBUH as the last prophet & no newer prophets after him in order to become muslims. To muslims, it's simply common sense to not consider anyone a a Muslim who rejects the prophet's claim of being the last messenger on earth. Because without accepting that core Islamic belief, no one can claim to be a Muslim.
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OK
None of the Ahmedis are able to answer to these basic questions
1) Why did Israel place a good number of Ahmedis on the occupied land? Israel only occupied that for Jewish people so why Qadianis?
2) Why does Modi openly regard them as their "friend"?
3) Why do all Ahmedis worship people like Trump, Modi, Netinyahu ? Perhaps enemy of enemy is friend or is there a secret project they are being handed over by west?
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1: May be Ahmedis are a diverse lot and concentrate on the message of Love for all Hatred for none and hence Place Jews in the love category....After all vo bhi tau Hazrat Ibrahim ki auladain hain
2: Modi is a mature man with sound judgement
3: Come on man...that one you pulled out of a magic hole where magicians stuff gerbils, hamsters or rabbits if the size is large.
Jusss Sayin
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None of the Ahmedis are able to answer to these basic questions
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Why did Israel place a good number of Ahmedis on the occupied land? Israel only occupied that for Jewish people so why Qadianis?
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Why does Modi openly regard them as their “friend”?
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Why do all Ahmedis worship people like Trump, Modi, Netinyahu ? Perhaps enemy of enemy is friend or is there a secret project they are being handed over by west?
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A simple google search shows that the Ahmedi presence in Israel began when one of their caliphs and some missionaries went to Israel as a part of a tour of the Middle East.
Modi probably wants to have some token Muzzies that he likes.
Lol
Considering there are plenty of Muslims in America that are not pro-America despite the fact that they are residing there and will be for the rest of their life, I don’t see how it is a surprise that Ahmedi Muslims in Pakistan might not be enthusiastically pro-Pakistan considering how they are treated there.