Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
Are you reading what I wrote? The crusades, and "mass support for massacre" is a mix of imperialism and religion. Read my other post about how secularism is just a process by which laws are created. It can curb religious fanaticism, but it can't eliminate it, i.e. a Muslim can technically become President, but most of the ignorant Christian masses wouldn't vote for a Muslim.
You can't use America as the de facto example because last I checked Turkey was a secular democracy as well and they are leaps and bounds ahead of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. And they're still Muslim. Last I checked, Turkey hadn't imploded.
Being secular does not make you anti-religion.
turkey bans wearing scarf at universities so isn't this being anti-religion?
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
My point is why secular laws of America are unable to stop massacre in the name of crusades. Does the secularism apply for petty issues and face saving and infact the society in itself in fundamentalist in its very roots.
America's foreign policy is entirely separate from how it treats its citizens domestically. No form of government is immune from abuse of weaker states and imperialism. Britain did it with a monarchy. America does it with a democracy. Rome did it with an emperor and a republic. Iran and Saudi Arabia do it as well, given their proxy war in the middle east. Secularism has nothing to do with America and the Muslim world, that's all about oil and money.
turkey bans wearing scarf at universities so isn't this being anti-religion?
Turkey is being overtly anti religious in some cases because fundamentalists have risen up in recent years to undo their progress. Ataturk was a dictator for this very reason: if he had allowed democracy to flourish initially Turkey would be the same mess that Pakistan is today.
You may continue to make jokes about this, or you can look at history and decide for yourself about which countries enjoy the highest standards of living and which don't.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
france banned naqab,switzerland banned minarets..so this is a being anti-religion in my view…
first of all you should accept argument that there is no true islamic state on this earth today…so we can’t judge countries like pakistan KSA where rulers for their own sake bend the rules and laws of their own country..
i think france recently legalised gay marriage..and first gay marriage in france… 1st gay marriage takes place in France - World - CBC News
as far as highest standards of living are concerned they are related to booming economy…biggest communal state in india i.e. gujrat is progressing ahead of others…similar to nazi germany
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
No, that's an overreaction to the natives feeling threatened that their way of life is being changed by Muslims, many of whom are uneducated and fundamentalist. It's a political reaction, and like I've said before, no form of government is immune from what the people wish, but what Switzerland and France would have an impossible time doing, is restricting Muslims from immigrating, or banning Islam. Pakistan on the other hand defines who can or can't call themselves Muslim. Saudi Arabia doesn't even allow Jews into the country. There's a huge difference there.
Are you trying to compare economic progress with Nazi Germany? I'm sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
No, that's an overreaction to the natives feeling threatened that their way of life is being changed by Muslims, many of whom are uneducated and fundamentalist. It's a political reaction, and like I've said before, no form of government is immune from what the people wish, but what Switzerland and France would have an impossible time doing, is restricting Muslims from immigrating, or banning Islam. Pakistan on the other hand defines who can or can't call themselves Muslim. Saudi Arabia doesn't even allow Jews into the country. There's a huge difference there.
Are you trying to compare economic progress with Nazi Germany? I'm sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever.
you are the one who is equating being prosperous and being righteous....
go through your own posts..
as anti islam laws passed in switzerland and france do you think that majority is uneducated and fundamentalist...:D
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
you are the one who is equating being prosperous and being righteous....
go through your own posts..
as anti islam laws passed in switzerland and france do you think that majority is uneducated and fundamentalist...:D
Yes, I said that secular countries are generally prosperous while theocracies aren't. Am I wrong?
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
Why bring my religion to this discussion. What does Pope’s thoughts on Gay marriages have on the discussion at hand. Please open a separate thread to elicit my opinions. It helps to think clearly and occasionally use the brain.
Coming back to the discussion… If Allah has capability to reimburse these innocent children in heaven, then dont you think Allah would reimburse the kids killed by US as well. Or is that facility available for only those kids that are killed by the Muslims.
Please reply to the point and do not digress and bring some vague statements.
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
why cant i bring your religion…you are bashing muslims for opposing gay marriages..but not ready to condemn pope…
you are using this thread to just bash muslims…
yes Allah will reimburse those kids who were killed by usa in heaven no doubt about it…but that does not wash the sins of americans who killed those innocent kids..
Re: Muslim lesbian couple from Pakistan defies life threats, becomes first to get mar
people of lut, santa claus, etc are not meant to be for grown up people of today. the vengeful baby-killing world-flooding genocidal god of the old testament has been replaced even in theology with a more humane acceptable version. and to keep going back there for moral values is to drag civilization back 2000 years.
