Muslim-Jew Relationship

muqawwee123 · April 19, 2012, 8:52am

What was the reasons behind the hostile relationship?

When this started? It is probably not from the inception of Islam, as we read about Jews living in Muslim states like Spain without any confrontation.

the_kaur · April 19, 2012, 4:31pm

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It is because of existence of Israel. Christians hated them because the were considered responsible for crucification of Jesus Christ. Then Hitler and Jew relation are well known, Never heard that they had some very serious problem with muslims:)

UZ · April 19, 2012, 4:33pm

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It started when Jews attack Palestine in early 1900’s. Jews consider Palestine the chosen land.

muqawwee123 · April 19, 2012, 4:35pm

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The event about Banu Qurayza (A Jew tribe of Medina) is used to show early hostility between Muslims and Jews during the life of the Prophet (627 AD).

TLK · April 19, 2012, 4:39pm

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I think Quran talks about few major conflicts between Muslims and Jews which will result in 2 downfalls and 2 risings of Muslims (1 downfall, 1 rising, 2nd downfall, 2nd rising) - so I lilke to say that its from the inception of islam.

muqawwee123 · April 19, 2012, 4:48pm

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Are you referring to Sura e Bani Israel? Because It deals with the rising and fall of bani Israel (Jews - Bani Israel being the descent of Hazrat Yaqoob (AS) who was also known as Israel).. But people like Ibn e Katheer and Molana Mododi are of the view that downfall refer to the destruction of Jews by the Bakht Nasar (Nəḇuḵaḏreṣṣar) and then by Egyptian Pharaoh. Bani Isreal shifted from Palestine to Egypt during Hazrat Yousuf (AS) period as detailed in Surah Yousuf.

As far as I remember, Quran talks about Banu Qurayza (Jew)- Muslim conflict in Surah Hashr and in some other Surah for Ghazwah e Khyber.

the_kaur · April 19, 2012, 4:50pm

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I think they had good time only in India:D

TLK · April 19, 2012, 4:50pm

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Actually I heard it in one of the audio lecture series of Dr. Israr Ahmed. I have to listen to it again so to know which Sura he was talking about.

muqawwee123 · April 19, 2012, 4:52pm

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When and how they reached India. Apart from all the differences with their theories, I think that they have suffered a lot since centuries.

ninja_hattori · April 19, 2012, 4:52pm

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he was an enlighten scholar especially in field of jihad…

muqawwee123 · April 19, 2012, 4:54pm

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I think you should listen to Surah Rome.. Because it was the Surah which was revealed at the time of defeat of Romans by Persian and the through this Surah it was predicted that soon Roman will again overcome Persians.

TLK · April 19, 2012, 4:55pm

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His expertise were not the Jihad, but the formulation of real Islamic state.

ninja_hattori · April 19, 2012, 4:59pm

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But when he talked about jihad it used to appeal to our heart…

once he said that its duty of muslims to wage a jihad but its not our aim to win war by hook or crook…how correct

the_kaur · April 19, 2012, 4:59pm

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I don’t know when they migrated to India but they came for business purpose, two of them were my classmates during school days:), also the man who wrote draft of surrender and met Lt Gen Tiger Niazi was also indian jew, Major General JFR Jacob:)

muqawwee123 · April 19, 2012, 5:05pm

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SubhanAllah. Recently got this pic from a seminar, which convey the message ‘Ghar main nahin daane, aur Amma chali bhunane’.

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muqawwee123 · April 19, 2012, 5:36pm

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Early interaction between Jews & Muslims

In the early years at Medina there were two important developments. Muhammad had been greatly excited by the prospect of working closely with the Jewish tribes, and had even, shortly before the hijrah, introduced some practices Islam. (such as communal prayer on Friday afternoons, when Jews would be preparing for the Sabbath, and a fast on the Jewish Day of Atonement) to align Islam more closely with Judaism. His disappointment, when the Jews of Medina refused to accept him as an authentic prophet, was one of the greatest of his life. For Jews, the era of prophecy was over, so it was not **surprising that they could not accept Muhammad, but the polemic with the Jews of Medina occupies a significant proportion of the Quran and shows that it troubled Muhammad.
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Some of the Quranic stories about such prophets as Noah or Moses were different from those of the Bible. Many of the Jews used to scoff when these were recited in the mosque. The three main Jewish tribes also resented Muhammad’s ascendancy; they had formed a powerful bloc before his arrival in the settlement, and now felt demoted and determined to get rid of him.

But some of the Jews in the smaller clans were friendly and enhanced Muhammad’s knowledge of Jewish scripture. He was especially delighted to hear that in the Book of Genesis Abraham had two sons: Isaac and Ishmael (who became Ismail in Arabic), the child of his concubine Hagar. Abraham had been forced to cast Hagar and Ismail out into the wilderness, but God had saved them and promised that Ismail too would be the father of a great nation, the Arabs. Local tradition had it that Hagar and Ismail had settled in Mecca, that Abraham had visited them there and that together Abraham and Ismail **had rebuilt the Kabah (which had originally been erected by Adam but had fallen into disrepair). **

This was music to Muhammad’s ears. It seemed that the Arabs had not been left out of the divine plan after all (as was taunted to them by Christians and Jews), and that the Kabah had venerable monotheistic credentials.
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Source: Islam - A short History (By Karen Armstrong)**