Muslim brigade for Iraq pledged
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What do think about a all the muslims countries sending troops to Iraq. If that happens than I believe, we as Pakistanis will be justified in sending our troops and there will be no more criticism that we are there to pursue the American agenda.
Is it a good idea to clear the mess created by Americans in Iraq??
hahahahaha…sendng troops now because of religion…then they say it is a war on Islam. Can;t habve it both ways, sheckys!!! 
Fact is, America gets what it wants, one way or the other (usually the other), and gets it sooner or later. Pakistan and other countries may very likely send troops to Iraq eventually, justifying it by some non-descript UN statement, claiming their deployment to be 'under the UN'....in order to save face.
I dont know why Pakistan always jumps up and down to help these so called 'muslim states', when in fact these so called muslim states dont even know Pakistan exists. It would be a bad decision for Pakistan to send any forces to Iraq....rather worse, because it would be a shame to see them getting kidnapped, or fall victims to roadside bombs, all for the sake of nothing. Let America and Iraq deal with it themselves.
Lets see if Musharraf is willing to send his kids or for that matter any of the MNA's. How the powerful use the poor as cannon fodder.
Pakistan is probably sending troops to Iraq because US is likely to increase about a billion dollars a years it gives Pakistan. Not because it gives damn about Iraq or vice versa.
Sending the troops to Iraq would only aggravate the situation. We don’t want the billion dollars that would prrobably end up in someone 's coffers. Pakistan should seriously think twice before sending the troops to Iraq. With the hostage deepening, I feel that ever country would have to re evaluate its options.
Massood Khan said today in a press conference that the hostages are ordinary people and appealed to the abductors to release them as they have no political motives or connections; but most of the people kidnapped were ordinary and innocent workers . Can we just overlook what this segment of the Iraqi population (about which we have no clue as to whether they have the support of the majority of the Iraqis) demands? If that truely is the wish of the Iraqis, than we are better of leaving them on their own.
Phillipines and other countries capitualted to the kidnappers demands to save their nationals. Pakistan in my view should also do the same.
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Can we just overlook what this segment of the Iraqi population (about which we have no clue as to whether they have the support of the majority of the Iraqis) demands? If that truely is the wish of the Iraqis, than we are better of leaving them on their own.
Phillipines and other countries capitualted to the kidnappers demands to save their nationals. Pakistan in my view should also do the same.
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I really don't get this attitude. President Musharref has twice been the target of assassination attempts in Pakistan in the last year. Couldn't it be said that we really don't know whether the people who have tried to kill him have the support of the majority of Pakistanis? Should Pakistanis just capitulate to the desires of these folks?
Once you start capitulating to the desires and whims of thugs, terrorists, kidnappers, and the like, where do you draw the line?
I think the best way to determine who has the support of the majority of people anywhere is by giving the people the right to make choices in a secure and free environment. The worst way to do it is to let the most brutal people get their way because they have the willingness to kill, maim, torture and behead people. Answering strictly on a theoretical basis, don't you think you are usually on the "right" side of things when you take action in support of providing people the type of environment that will enable the voice of the majority to be freely and fully expressed? Let's not argue whether the US is attempting to do that in Iraq for the moment. Let's talk theoretically. If the answer is yes, wouldn't you think the leaders of Egypt, Pakistan and other countries ought to be given the benefit of the doubt if they take actions that they think are designed to assist the Iraqi population in achieving such an environment?
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Can we just overlook what this segment of the Iraqi population (about which we have no clue as to whether they have the support of the majority of the Iraqis) demands? If that truely is the wish of the Iraqis, than we are better of leaving them on their own.
Phillipines and other countries capitualted to the kidnappers demands to save their nationals. Pakistan in my view should also do the same.
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Caving into the demands of people who behead ordinary citizens allows these terrorists to dictate what is best for Iraq. Do you really think they have the best interests of all Iraqis in mind or are they just promoting chaos and not order so their extremists groups can play a role in a future Iraq. Should we let all future policies be based on who can kidnap and behead the most innocent people to further their cause? It will snowball into anarchy.
There are enough Iraqis in Iraq, I assume. Why do they need outsiders to come in and provide security? Let them work up their own police and army. Even under the worst of sanctions the country was tugging along. I am sure the government of Iraq is able to pay the salaries.
Why would anyone expect a Muslim brigade, it hasn't happened in recent history. This time it's because its the US' mess, let them deal with it. Oh, and there are enough Iraqis in Iraq and the government should be able to pay the salaries.
Guess who disbanded the Iraqi military when they where keeping law and order?
you only have one guess people!
What else should we expect the governments to do in such circumstances. Let those people ( alleged fundos, terrorists, freedom fighters) kill ordinary people who are in Iraq to earn their livelihood. Frankly, they are playing their cards too well and I believe they would not hesitate killing the rest of the people.
United States whether rightly or wrongly is criticized as the occupying power, but not all states are their to pursue their agenda. They are there to provide them with security at a cost. If the target is military men and installations, its still understandable but when no one is spared(diplomats, army men and workers), than the situation beomces too complicated. What does the International community do in that situation???
I agree that caving in to their demands is not the right move but these heartless goons do not differentiate between the civilans and the non-civilians. One option is to leave Iraqis on their own so that they can decide about their future. This can also have some very negative repurcussions, lets say break out of civil war in Iraq leading to anrarchy after the retreat of occupation forces. And I suppose that no one wants Iraq to transform into another Afghanistan of the post 1980's.
Secondly, even if a muslim brigade is formed which is highly unlikely, I doubt it would be able to deliver. And there isn't any such thing at the moment that suggests that Iraqis want a muslim force.
hmm, tough call... :--)
THe whole muslim brigade thing sounds a bit huntingtonesque. At a time when the world is getting coser and closer through commerce, cultural exchanges, etc. THe muslim world should be worrying about whether banding under a religious umbrella is a good thing. It could very well become an us vs. them thing and if that happens..no brigade can handle the disproportionate response.
I don't think there are many muslim countries who every volunteer to send their troops around the world. Pakistan is perhaps one exception and is involved in almost all UN missions around the world. Most Arab countries that are muslims have neither the manpower nor the trained people to go in strife-ridden countries.
If I were a decision-maker and asked to send troops to Iraq, I'd probably say what Teresa Kerry said the other day to that reporter.
Would this muslim brigade include the Sudani arab militia? If so, Iraquis, hide your daughters and wives (or sons for that matter).
Who cares either way?
If I was a Pak Army bloke, I'd go in and get some sweet revenge for those 2 brothers that got smoked.
No blame the Americans for using strong man tactics in Iraq. They are the strong man.
i wish,if any muslim soldier from any part of the world goes there,inshallah,only his head will be return back...may LLAH kill all those muslim soldiers who would go there and fight against our muslims brotthers either they r paki or not...
'fighting a war' is not the reason why they want more troops for .. its more about law and order now.. whats left of Iraqi Armed forces and law enforcement is underequiped and understaffed to handle the task..
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i wish,if any muslim soldier from any part of the world goes there,inshallah,only his head will be return back...may LLAH kill all those muslim soldiers who would go there and fight against our muslims brotthers either they r paki or not...
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Muslims are already killing muslims in Pakistan. Who needs Iraq to increase the body count?
I think Muslims should go in conditional on a re-evaluation of the redevelopment bids, and ensuring that aside from short term projects which could go to "Coalition" forces, all long term projects go to Muslim companies, or companies that would be mandated to hire Muslims in their workforce.
This would ensure that there is no exploitation of Iraqi oil resources by the Americans, who would demonstrate their altruism once and for all, and show that the only wanted to get Saddam out. It would also ensure that there is a Muslim entity in the region, thereby killing the common notion that the Zionists now sit happy. It would also be a hell of a lot more effective than sitting around in OIC and voicing concern on paper. It would also be a groundbreaking achievement for Muslim countries for actually acting together, and further the dream of one day becoming a Khilafah.
I dont know what you lot are so jumpy about.
Moreso I think there should be a Muslim intervention in Sudan. Unconditional.