Ive got this friend (English) who married a muslim guy from Egypt and now theyre not together anymore. She converted when she married him and she chose to stay a muslim but shes ever done any prayers or fasting and stuff.
She still drinks alcohol but she doesnt eat pig and I think she eats other meat like chicken etc but not halal ones. She still dresses the same as she always did, shes got a boyfriend, and is sleeping with him, goes on holiday with him.
And I think she celebrates christmas the same as always. She has her belief, but is that enough. I just wanted to know what you guys thought, just some opinions. 
Apparently that conversion was for marrying purposes or to please Egyptian husband and with him is gone the change, Allah swt knows best.
But shes still a muslim long after hes gone. Even when they were together she used to be the way she is now.
She defiitely wants to stay a muslim. She believes that Jesus is not
Gods son and she believes the prophet Mohammed:saw: is the last messenger of Allah, etc.
Re: muslim convert
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Ive got this friend (English) who married a muslim guy from Egypt and now theyre not together anymore. She converted when she married him and she chose to stay a muslim but shes ever done any prayers or fasting and stuff.
She still drinks alcohol but she doesnt eat pig and I think she eats other meat like chicken etc but not halal ones. She still dresses the same as she always did, shes got a boyfriend, and is sleeping with him, goes on holiday with him.
And I think she celebrates christmas the same as always. She has her belief, but is that enough. I just wanted to know what you guys thought, just some opinions. :)
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hahah this is all BS !!
She is not a Mus-lim. She just claimed to be a Mus-lim just to marry that Mus-lim guy. She still drinks alcohol, eat haram food, sleeps with her old boyfriend, doesn't take part in religious activity. Her "conversion" is a joke, and she didn't do it out of her heart, but just because it was a pre-requirement to marry a "mus-lim" guy.
Re: muslim convert
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Ive got this friend (English) who married a muslim guy from Egypt and now theyre not together anymore. She converted when she married him and she chose to stay a muslim but shes ever done any prayers or fasting and stuff.
She still drinks alcohol but she doesnt eat pig and I think she eats other meat like chicken etc but not halal ones. She still dresses the same as she always did, shes got a boyfriend, and is sleeping with him, goes on holiday with him.
And I think she celebrates christmas the same as always. She has her belief, but is that enough. I just wanted to know what you guys thought, just some opinions. :)
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I think it's great that's she still a muslim and Allah will judge everything else. To be a muslim you have to believe in Allah and Muhammed...after that it is how good a muslim she is or not and that is allah swt to decide.
oh btw...she doesn't sound that different from some MUSLIM guys and gals I know born and raised in muslim countries.
Salaamu Alaykum,
It seems as though she is need of care, love and compassion. You should try and comfort her and make up for the pain and bitterness she has suffered due to the divorce.
What she is doing is very serious she is committing major sins and she must stop immediately if she is really a true Muslim.
However let me remind you that sinning itself does not put a person outside the fold of Islam as long as the person committing the sin does not consider it to be permissible. Anyone who has the correct belief and follows the pillars of Islam and denies nothing of Islam that person is a Muslim.
As far as not praying is concerned anyone who does not pray and denies that it is an obligation is a non-Muslim according to scholarly consensus. If she does not pray out of laziness, then she is still a non-Muslim according to the more correct scholarly view.
I suggest that you advice her and teach her that it’s no good just believing without proper conduct, actions and righteous deeds, sinning effects our Faith negatively. She must stop sinning and start following the Pillars of Islam.
You should advice her to reform herself and marry a Muslim brother and have a permissible relationship. Marriage will save her from a lot of sins. If she’s uncomfortable marrying another ‘ethnic’ man because of her bad experience with the Egyptian then there are plenty of western brothers both black and white who are converts to Islam she could marry one of them, she should maybe have a look in the Mosque or elsehwhere in her community, and if she likes a man she should ask the Imam to speak to the brother on her behalf.
Comfort and try reforming her by warning her of Allah being displeased with her but if she continues and persists on her misguided ways, then I suggest that your cut of contact with her because we as Muslim should try and surround ourselves with the company of righteous friends and keep away from bad people.
Disclaimer: I’m no scholar or student of knowledge so I might have made some mistakes. A Muslim is like a mirror for another Muslim, please correct me if I’ve said anything contradicting the Quran and/or Sunnah (I’ll appreciate I wont bite).
Ma’asslaama.
I'm not a scholor but in the interest of education I did some searching and found these references.
The prohibition of Takfir
Takfir or the condemnation of a Muslim by another Muslim as a kafir (non beliver thus not a muslim) is strictly prohibited in the Quran, the Hadith, and the writings of many eminent Muslim authorities.
THE HOLY QURAN
According to the Quran, if a person says assalamu alaikum to us to indicate that he is a Muslim, we cannot say to him ``you are not a believer.'' (4:94)
The second thing we learn from this verse is that if, from among a non-Muslim people, a person addresses us by assalamu alaikum, that is sufficient proof that he is a Muslim. When such incidents took place during the Holy Prophet's life-time, sometimes it was suspected by some Muslims that such a person was not sincere. But the Holy Prophet would say to them: ``Did you tear open his heart to see what was in it?''
Thirdly, the verse cited above goes on to say: ``You yourselves were like this before.'' That is, you too embraced Islam in this way, so what was sufficient for you is sufficient for them.
THE HADITH
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``Ibn Umar related that the Holy Prophet said: If a Muslim calls another kafir, then if he is a kafir let it be so; otherwise, he [the caller] is himself a kafir.''**
(Abu Dawud, Book of Sunna, edition published by Quran Mahal, Karachi, vol. iii, p. 484)
personally this hadith scares me enough to never ever call anyone a kafir or even say that oh well the things they do make them not a muslim..who am i to say?!
``Abu Zarr reported that the Holy Prophet said: No man accuses another man of being a sinner, or of being a kafir, but it reflects back on him if the other is not as he called him.''
(Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)
The teaching contained in these hadith is meant to stop Muslims from dubbing each other as sinners and kafirs.
`Withhold [your tongues] from those who sayThere is no god but Allah' --- do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of `There is no god but Allah' as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.''
(Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)
``Call not the people of your Qibla * as kafir.''
(Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir, vol. iv, p. 187)
``Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that by which he entered into it *.''
(Majma` az-Zawa'id, vol. i, p. 43)
`Three things are the basis of faith. [One is] to withhold from one who saysThere is no god but Allah' --- do not call him kafir for any sin, nor expel him from Islam for any misconduct.''
(Abu Dawud, Book of Jihad, 15:33)
There are many other hadith prohibiting that the ``people of the Qibla'' be dubbed as kafir. Such a great sin is it that the Holy Prophet issued the warning:
``Whoever attributes kufr [unbelief] to a believer, he is like his murderer.''
(Tirmizi, ch. Iman (Faith); see Arabic-Urdu edition cited earlier, vol. ii, p. 213. See also Bukhari, Book of Ethics; Book 78, ch. 44)
ISLAMIC JURISTS OF CLASSICAL TIMES
Takfir of Muslims is also prohibited in the standard, classical works of Islamic law (fiqh) and creed (`aqa'id) accepted by the Ahl as-Sunna.
``And among the doctrines of the Ahl as-Sunna is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called kafir.''
(Sharh `Aqa'id Nasfi, p. 121)
Regarding Imam Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi system of Islamic law, which has more followers than any other system in Islam, it is written:
``He did not call as kafir anyone from among the people of the Qibla.''
(Sharh Mawaqif, fifth part)
He said: ``Nothing expels a man from faith except the denial of that which made him enter it.''
(Rad al-Mukhtar, vol. iii, p. 310)
``It is extremely serious to expel a Muslim from the faith.''
(Sharh Shifa, vol. ii, p. 500)
``A ruling of takfir against a Muslim should not be given if it is possible to interpret his words in a favourable manner.''
(Rad al-Mukhtar, Book of Jihad, ch. on Apostasy)
``As for statements of takfir found in books of rulings (fatwa), these are not proof if the authors are unknown and the arguments are missing, because in matters of faith, beliefs depend on conclusive proof, and the takfir of a Muslim is attended with troubles of all sorts.''
(Sharh Fiqh Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari)
Allama Sayyid Jalal-ud-Din wrote:
``The takfir of people of the Qibla is itself an act of unbelief.''
(Dala'il al-Masa'il)
Ibn Abu Hamra, a saint, wrote:
``It has already been stated that the rule of the Ahl Sunna is that they do not call kafir, or consider as going to hell eternally, anyone who is of the people of the Qibla.''
`The Imams have made it clear that if there is any ground for not issuing takfir, a ruling of takfir should not be made, even if that ground is weak.''an `ibarat al-ishtiba, p. 4, published in Egypt)
(Raf al-ishtiba
`Some prejudiced persons from the Asharis call the Hanbalis as kafir, and some Hanbalis call the Asharis as kafir. But their calling each other kafir is not right because the belief of the trustworthy Imams of the Hanafis, Shafiis, Hanbalis, and the Asharis, is that none of the people of the Qibla can be called a kafir.''
(Miftah Dar as-Sa`ada wa Misbak as-Sayyida, vol i, p. 46)
``The generality of the theologians and the jurists are agreed that none of the people of the Qibla can be called a kafir.''
(Al-Mawaqif, printed in Cairo, p. 600)
The famous eighteenth century saint of Delhi, Khawaja Mir Dard (d. 1785 C.E.), wrote:
`We do not call kafir anyone of the people of the Qibla, even though he may be following falsehood or novel beliefs in most matters, because the acceptance of the oneness of God, and the affirmation of the prophethood of Muhammad, and the turning to the Qibla, do not expel them from faith as such. So he would be of those who follow later inventions and falsehood from among the Muslims. The Holy Prophet said:Withhold in the matter of the people of the Qibla, that you do not call them kafir'.''
(`Ilm al-Kitab, p. 75)
EVEN 99 REASONS FOR `KUFR' OVERCOME BY 1 FOR ISLAM
Mulla Ali Qari in Sharh Fiqh Akbar
``They say regarding the issue of kufr that if there are ninety-nine reasons for considering someone as kafir, and only one reason against it, the mufti and the judge is bound to act according to that one reason for negating the kufr.''
(p. 146)
Sayyid Muhammad Abidin
``If there are many reasons in any matter for the application of kufr [considering someone as kafir], and one reason for its negation, the judge must incline towards the reason which negates takfir, giving the Muslim the benefit of the doubt.''
(Sil al-Hisan al-Hindi, p. 45)
Husain Ahmad Madani
This well-known Deobandi theologian of this century has written in his autobiography Naqsh-i Hayat:
``All great scholars are unanimous in holding that if, out of hundred ingredients of the belief of some Muslim, ninety-nine are those of unbelief, and merely one of true Islamic faith, it is not allowed to call him kafir, nor does his life or property become violable. In fact, Hazrat Gangohi [a founder of Deoband religious school] clearly states in his Anwar al-Qulub that the saying of the jurists about ninety-nine grounds does not set a limit, and that if 999 out of a thousand points in the belief of a Muslim are unbelief (kufr) and only one is true belief, even then he cannot be called kafir.''
(Naqsh-i Hayat, Bait-ut-Tauhid, Karachi, 1953, vol. i. p. 126)
By the ``one reason'' out of a hundred, or a thousand, is meant the affirmation of the Kalima by the person concerned, while the vast majority of his beliefs may be tantamount to kufr.
Sayyid Abul Ala Maudoodi (d.1979)
He wrote in his well-known journal Tarjuman al-Quran:
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``The aim of these injunctions is that there should be as much caution in calling a Muslim kafir as there is in pronouncing a death sentence against someone. In fact, this matter is even more serious because by killing a person there is no risk of one becoming a kafir, but this risk does exist if one calls a Muslim kafir if that man is not really a kafir. Should there even be an iota of Islamic belief in that man's heart, the slander of kufr shall reflect back upon the accuser. Hence, he who has fear of God in his heart, and has some realisation of the great danger of being involved in kufr, shall never dare call a Muslim kafir until he has carried out a thorough enquiry and fully ascertained that such a person was a kafir. There is so much caution in this regard that if there is a man whose conduct clearly shows insincerity, and whose condition is openly showing that he is not a Muslim at heart, if even he recites the Kalima with his tongue, it is not allowed to call him kafir and treat him as a kafir.''**
(Tarjuman al-Quran, issue for month of Jumadi al-Awwal, 1355 A.H., circa 1936, vol. viii, p. 5)****
she isn't muslim with that attitude towards her life! a muslim wouldn't go around sleeping with ppl and drining alcohol u ain't a muslim if u follow aadatein of kuffar like she seems to be doing
If she accepts the basic tenets of Islam verbally then she should be accepted as a Muslim. "Dilon ka haal to Allah behtur jaanta hei!". As far as these bad habits are concerned, they will be regarded as sin (of very gruesome nature).
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she isn't muslim with that attitude towards her life! a muslim wouldn't go around sleeping with ppl and drining alcohol u ain't a muslim if u follow aadatein of kuffar like she seems to be doing
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i think apparently she still is a muslimah…
alotta muslims do that too... except their born muslim.. to each its own.. ALLAH nows best
maybe her husband needs to work hard on more....
just a thought.... is her husband any better than her as a muslim????
Thanx for your replies guys.
pak brave heart I did not say she still sleeps with her OLD boy friend shes with someone else now and shes divorced. And if her conversion to islam was just a pre-requirement to marry a muslim then why would she still want to remain a muslim?
#let uz chat#
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she isn't muslim with that attitude towards her life! a muslim wouldn't go around sleeping with ppl and drining alcohol u ain't a muslim if u follow aadatein of kuffar like she seems to be doing
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Ive seen loads of born muslims doing stuff like that and its ok to call them muslims so why would doing what shes been doing all her life make her non-muslim?
armughal
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maybe her husband needs to work hard on more....
just a thought.... is her husband any better than her as a muslim????
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Well he went back to egypt so if he had stuck with her and been more encouraging with her from the start maybe things would have been different. But the main thing is she converted because of him, and after he left she still wated to stay a muslim. She cold easily have gone back to christianity, but she wanted to stay a muslim. She always introduces herself as a muslim when she meets new people.
:)
Amelea thanks for the post.
Your post is closest to mark.
As long as she says she believes, she IS Muslim - maybe a weak gunahgaar but definitely a muslim.
Her husbend is another matter. He may be wrong. But he can't be blamed for what is happening here. What she does is her 'fayil' - deeds.
Sounds like she needs a good muslim to suport her - maybe even that wouldn't make any diffeerence, Maybe, she is just too weak to give up all that stuff.
May Allah guide her and help her. Ameen.