Muslim cleric claims Moses' tomb is in India

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dunno, wheather to beleive this or not -

Muslim cleric claims Moses’ tomb is in India

www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/26/india.moses/

SRINAGAR, India (CNN) – High in the war-torn mountains of Kashmir, a Muslim cleric watches over what he believes is the tomb of the prophet Moses. He says he has tended to the tomb since he was a boy, a tradition that dates back in his family for generations.

For Bashir Ahmad Reshi, he’s never had any doubt that this is the final resting place of the man who led the Israelites out of Egypt and passed on the Ten Commandments from God.

“Around six hundred years back, history says that the great Kashmiri saint Hazrat Makhdoom visited this place along with his close disciple Baba Dawood Khaki,” Reshi said.

“On reaching Bandipore, then called Bethpoer, he said, ‘I find smell of the presence of some prophet nearby.’ Then he climbed to this village, reached near this nallah (drain) and told Khaki, ‘Yes, it has to be somewhere here.’”

Known locally as Nebu Ball, the tomb is located on a mountaintop in a sensitive border area about 34 miles (54 km) from the Kashmir capital Srinagar.

Moses is a key figure from the Old Testament who is revered among Christians, Jews and Muslims as prophet and messenger from God.

According to the Old Testament, Moses was buried in the valley of “Moab over against Beth-Poer.” Those who hold that this is Moses’ tomb – reachable only by a steep path – point out that Bandipore is the nearest town, known in ancient times as Bethpoer.

Aziz Kashmir, author of “Christ in Kashmir”, claims the tomb is indeed Moses’. He says his thesis is supported by the east-west orientation of the tomb and the fact that nearby villages have never suffered from famine or natural disasters.

More controversially, author Kashmir claims Jesus is buried in a crowded neighborhood in Srinigar. At the site, known as Rozabal, there lies a sarcophagus with no name and no indication of who rests in the spot.

“Allah says, ‘I gave refuge to Jesus and his mother on a high place having meadows and springs.’ This is Kashmir, above sea level,” the author Kashmir says.

According to Kashmiri folklore, Jesus left the Middle East for Kashmir, where he married and died at the age of 120.

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dunno, wheather to beleive this or not -

Muslim cleric claims Moses' tomb is in India

www.cnn.com/WORLD/9707/26/india.moses/

SRINAGAR, India (CNN) -- High in the war-torn mountains of Kashmir, a Muslim cleric watches over what he believes is the tomb of the prophet Moses. He says he has tended to the tomb since he was a boy, a tradition that dates back in his family for generations.

For Bashir Ahmad Reshi, he's never had any doubt that this is the final resting place of the man who led the Israelites out of Egypt and passed on the Ten Commandments from God.

"Around six hundred years back, history says that the great Kashmiri saint Hazrat Makhdoom visited this place along with his close disciple Baba Dawood Khaki," Reshi said.

"On reaching Bandipore, then called Bethpoer, he said, 'I find smell of the presence of some prophet nearby.' Then he climbed to this village, reached near this nallah (drain) and told Khaki, 'Yes, it has to be somewhere here.'"

Known locally as Nebu Ball, the tomb is located on a mountaintop in a sensitive border area about 34 miles (54 km) from the Kashmir capital Srinagar.

Moses is a key figure from the Old Testament who is revered among Christians, Jews and Muslims as prophet and messenger from God.

According to the Old Testament, Moses was buried in the valley of "Moab over against Beth-Poer." Those who hold that this is Moses' tomb -- reachable only by a steep path -- point out that Bandipore is the nearest town, known in ancient times as Bethpoer.

Aziz Kashmir, author of "Christ in Kashmir", claims the tomb is indeed Moses'. He says his thesis is supported by the east-west orientation of the tomb and the fact that nearby villages have never suffered from famine or natural disasters.

More controversially, author Kashmir claims Jesus is buried in a crowded neighborhood in Srinigar. At the site, known as Rozabal, there lies a sarcophagus with no name and no indication of who rests in the spot.

"Allah says, 'I gave refuge to Jesus and his mother on a high place having meadows and springs.' This is Kashmir, above sea level," the author Kashmir says.

*According to Kashmiri folklore, Jesus left the Middle East for Kashmir, where he married and died at the age of 120.
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People believe whatever the heck they want...And yes, the part about Jesus marrying and dying in Kashmir is a folklore...An Ahmadi folklore...

Anyways, reminds me of the time Aurangzeb exhumed the grave of a known 'pir' only to find in it the remains of a horse...

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Hmm...and more interestingly mirza sahib made a claim like this in early 1900s and couldnt prove it ....may be this cleric belongs to the same group.......not worth any attention .....

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it says "kashmiri folklore".. why do some guys always have to drag in other sects.. does that mean your sect is open for discussion too? cuz there's plenty of 'folklore' in there to satisfy everyone..

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I don’t know about the tomb of Moses.. But regarding Jesus (as), the tomb in Khanyaar, Srinagar is believed to be his by many researchers. For details here is a very good site..

http://www.tombofjesus.com/

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and that is the claim of only Qadiyaanis :slight_smile: … sorry… not appealing :slight_smile:

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Destino,
As long as, i know there is no proof showing existence to jesus. The historical reference that is shown in Bible during the time of jesus, is more or less a fiction. The kings, the people, the gospels are fictitious character, and have no real life record of existence. There are many, who beleive jesus as a myth, just like other characters in bible.
So his tomb, certainly is another fabricated myth.

As for moses, is a real life historical figure, though, not with any super powers that bible embrioders around all characters.

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  • the bit in ** bold ** is wrong!!! when prophet jesus :as: hasn’t even died {naoozubillah} :rolleyes:… we all know according to muslim belief allah ezo wajal raised prophet jesus :as: to the heavens and their is still a second coming remaining, where they will establish islamic rule and kill dajjal (anti-christ) et cetera!!!

And as far as i know, the shrine of prophet musa :as: is 20km east of jerusalam and not in kashmir!!! *

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Here are some references from prominent "modern" muslim Scholars who are not Ahmadis on this issue.

  1. The famous Egyptian reformist personality Mufti Muhammad Abduh believed that Jesus had died.

"In the Tafsir al-Manar, the teacher and Imam (Muhammad Abduh), after taking the apparent meaning of the verse, has stated that tawaffa bears its obvious significance, i.e., causing to die. The raising (raf‘) comes after that, and it is spiritual elevation."

(Qasas al-Anbiya by Abdul Wahab al-Najar, p. 428)
(as far as i remember this name appears in Text books of Pakistan under prominent muslim scholars of modern times)

2.. Mahmud Shaltut, former Mufti of Egypt and ex-Rector of al-Azhar University, Cairo, writes:

i. "There is no authority in the Quran or the Sunna which can satisfy the heart upon the belief that Jesus was taken up to heaven with his body and that he is still alive there and that he shall descend therefrom to earth in the last days."

(Al-Fatawa, published by Al-Idara al-‘Ama lil-Saqafat al-Islamiyya bil-Azhar, pp. 52-58)
(that would be Al-Azhar University in Cairo)

  1. In his article Hal al-Quran Mu‘jiza (‘Is the Quran a miracle?’), Dr Ahmad Zaki Abu Shadi writes:

"It is a well known teaching of Islam that God is everywhere, and that He is the light of the heaven and the earth. So the words ‘He raised him (Jesus) to Himself’ do not have the physical meaning that He lifted him up to heaven, as is the Christian belief. … Raf‘ here means to rescue and to honour, as opposed to a degraded death on the cross in the manner in which criminals are executed. Other interpretations that some Muslim commentators have adopted are more akin to poetry than to sound logic, and the reliability of these commentators’ scholarship is rather limited."

(Al-Mawahib Azar, Argentina, March 1955)

  1. Iran’s famous religious scholar Zain al-‘Abidin, whose Quranic commentary was published with the support of the Iranian Government, translates in it the verse Ya ‘Isa inni mutawaffi-ka as meaning that Jesus’ soul, and not his body, was raised to God’s presence (vol. i, p. 268).

  2. In a poetic verse, Mirza Abul Hasan Qa-ani Sherazi says:

"Jesus has gone up to the skies, but has left his earthly body here."

  1. The late Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi (the one who is also mentioned in Pakistan studies text books) wrote:

"Mutawaffi-ka means mumitu-ka * and what generally prevails amongst the public about Jesus’ life is a Jewish and Sabean fable … It is not a concealed matter that the source of Islam is the Quran, and in it there is not even one verse proving explicitly that Jesus did not die, and that he is alive and shall come down. These are only the deductions and explanations of some people, and are not free from doubt and uncertainty. How, then, can it be taken to be a fundamental Islamic belief ?"

(Ilham al-Rahman fi-tafsir al-Quran, vol. ii, p. 49)

  1. Maulana Sayyid Sulaiman Nadawi wrote:

i. "Looking at the birth of Jesus, his death and the doctrine of Trinity, some American critics and rationalists now believe that Jesus was just a mythical figure."

(Khutbat Madras, p. 42, Sermon No. 2, published by the Lahore Academy, 205 Circular Road, Lahore)

  1. Sayyid Abul ‘Ala Maudoodi has written the following upon this topic:

"The Quran does not explicitly state that God raised up Jesus, body and soul, from earth to heaven. Nor does it clearly say that he died a natural death on earth, and that only his soul was raised up. Thus, on the basis of the Quran, neither of these views can be definitely negated or confirmed."

(Tahfim al-Quran by Maulana Maudoodi, p. 240)*