Any given day I listen to a Muslim scholar. Most of the time they are bashing our lifestyles, our ways of earning, our livelihoods , our passion for this world , our ignorance about our religion . According to them our priorities are not straight we are all bunch of ignorant masses who have thrown Quran and Hadees behind us and we are having fun in this life.
Why can’t they tell us all about what Islam demands from us ? Why can’t they tell us what Quran and Hadees has to offer for bettering our lives ? Why can’t they tell us the virtues of a good Muslim life and demerits of not following Quran and Sunnah. Yes they do that but not without bashing the Muslim Ummah and the people present in the lecture . If I look at the sunnah I do not find any Khutbah by our holy Prophet (SAW) in which he was bashing his audience. All he would do is lay out what they need to be doing and what Allah wants of them. He never ever declared his audience bunch of fasiq and fajirs. You will tell me that they were all Sahabas and they were more virtuous than us, but that is not true , there were munafaqeen in their midst . Quran and hadees tells us that. Sunnah tells us that our prophet never ever singled out any munafiq during his khutbas. Our holy prophet treated even his enemies with respect when he was addressing them during peace time. But we the Muslim Ummah are not treated with respect by our scholars.
One interesting observation is that the Muslim scholars , Gary Miller, Yousuf Estes, Bilal Philips, Sheikh Nuh, who are all converted Muslims , I do not find them bashing Muslim Ummah or their audience. I wonder why ?
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Bro Mirch
Here is an observation, from top down in the muslim ummah the focus is always on falling short, its a matter of perspective, same as the glass half empty (pessmistic) or glass half full (optimistic) analogy. Rarely do I hear about taking pride on an achievement but rather degradation on not having achieved a level of piety.
Negatives should always follow positives when presented to public. Human psychology is to pay more attention to the negative news as compared to the positive one. When our scholars address us, the common foundation of their address is, this is the ideal for us and we are that much short in achieving it rather than we have achieved that much progress towards it. Centuries of such preaching an attitude has destroyed the confidence of muslims anda eroded hopes of ever being the pious people they are supposed to be. Naturally, many give up the hope and follow a path which allows them to assimilate elsewhere. Our scholars paint an impossible target for us, one even they themselves are far behind.
I just need to remind of one hadith of the Prophet SAW to build my case, paraphrasing the one in which he SAW said take as much as you can from me. This hadith is so positive. It incorporates the attitude we should have. Feel proud about whatever you can take from me rather than feel ashamed of not being able to take more.
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yeah i know exactly way ur talking bout mirch uncle
and its really annoying to see or hear this kind of mullahs cuz it actually makes u mad than interested
i mean i think all of know exactly how we live and wat we do wrong and wat we do right
we dont need any1 mocking or bashing at us just to realise that we r wrong
so they just simply tell in their khutbas that ths thing is right and ths is wrong and i think ppl r smart enough to understand
so y mock???
and mostly i have seen this mocking stuff in our desi or asian mullahs and sum local mullahs too:bummer:
so i think its pretty cultural
cuz we cant stop ourselves from poking our noses in other ppl’s bussiness and we just love to say they do this they do that they r this they r that
and i think no1 likes other ppl mocking at them and then telling them wat to do
u can simply say this is wrong correct urself!!!
Re: Muslim bashing by Islamic scholars .
ur absolutely right!!
cuz i have seen ppl around me saying that islamic lifestyle is so hard to achive cuz it clashes with today’s world
but personally i dont see any clash
i seriously dont
i mean does islam stops u from eating, breathing, sleeping or wat???
so y is it so hard???
its just bcuz these ppl have been brainwashed by sum ignorant ppl who they look upto
Re: Muslim bashing by Islamic scholars .
ur absolutely right!!
cuz i have seen ppl around me saying that islamic lifestyle is so hard to achive cuz it clashes with today's world
but personally i dont see any clash
i seriously dont
i mean does islam stops u from eating, breathing, sleeping or wat???
so y is it so hard???
its just bcuz these ppl have been brainwashed by sum ignorant ppl who they look upto
JAK.
Personally, I rarely have any clash in my life style with my Islamic values. I usually first try to understand a system before applying an Islamic logic to it. By understanding it is important to lay stress on the effect, purpose and principles of a system rather than its semantics.
Many of our mediocre people think education is important, however that translates to knowledge about religion. I think knowledge of religion is essential but equally important is the knowledge of the system or entity to which we apply our Islamic values and principles. Many of our scholars have knowledge that is skewed towards religion and philosophy, less practical knowledge of the world. So usually its unrealistic ideal talk or behavioral criticisms. I find very few scholars whose opinions are commensurate with the practicality of todays life.
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Most of these are not really scholars - just mis-interpreters trying to make a name and fancy secretive living at the cost of public. More noise they make more name and more money. They're all from Rev.Wright brand.
Noithing like a provocative attack to make people feel guilty and losen up purse strings.
I'm talking about 99% here. There's that rare exception that are ok
Re: Muslim bashing by Islamic scholars .
and except spirituality and stuff they make basic things sound like "hawaaas"
like they say pray pray pray pray i mean cum on islam doesnt ask u to pray all time
it is wrong
islam asks u to create a balance between these two
but these scholars go like pray during day pray during night dont sleep dont rest just pray
and these ppl with lil knowledge of quran and sunnah follow them like they r sum saints who can never go wrong watever they say is "kalmaa" and it cant be wrong
and i think the problem is that they dont try to learn anything by themselves they always like need other ppl to tel them wat to do
they dont even try to know if sumthing is right or wrong they just follow mullahs blindly
and wen u try to tell them sumthing with refrences they dont even bother listening and if they listen they argue that i know a mulla who says this so im not gonna listen to u!!
Re: Muslim bashing by Islamic scholars .
exactly!!!
cuz u can see those practised gestures and lectures it all looks like a lil stage show in name of god, no??
i feel like that!!
Re: Muslim bashing by Islamic scholars .
Most of these are not really scholars - just mis-interpreters trying to make a name and fancy secretive living at the cost of public. More noise they make more name and more money. They're all from Rev.Wright brand.
Noithing like a provocative attack to make people feel guilty and losen up purse strings.
I'm talking about 99% here. There's that rare exception that are ok
TA, no piggy backing allowed here.
Re: Muslim bashing by Islamic scholars .
but hes right this time
Re: Muslim bashing by Islamic scholars .
Most of these are not really scholars - just mis-interpreters trying to make a name and fancy secretive living at the cost of public. More noise they make more name and more money. They're all from Rev.Wright brand.
Noithing like a provocative attack to make people feel guilty and losen up purse strings.
I'm talking about 99% here. There's that rare exception that are ok
Unfortunately the percentage is higher than that. Our masses have developed the same mentality. Self deprecation and self incrimination are regarded as good Muslim virtues. But when they perform self deprecation and self incrimination they mean everybody else not them.
When they say " Hum nay Quran aur Sunnat ko chor dia." It means that everybody else not them, and everybody present in the lecture/khutba understands what it means and implies. Now how can we bring these scholars and alims to stick to subject and go south while performing khutbah. Once I sent Khutbah training which I found on the IslamiCity.com to the Khateebs at my masjid , although it is short and not hard to follow yet I see the violations of this training all the time. I am thinking to talk to the Shura of my masjid to make sure that Khateebs and The guest speakers at our Masjid are provided this pamphlet on a regular basis and a copy of it is blown up and posted at the minbar.
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Why can't they tell us the virtues of a good Muslim life and demerits of not following Quran and Sunnah. Yes they do that but not without bashing the Muslim Ummah and the people present in the lecture . If I look at the sunnah I do not find any Khutbah by our holy Prophet (SAW) in which he was bashing his audience
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Quran bashed even the sahaba [ra] when they boasted of their stength before battle of hunain ....what are u talking about ?
why do you think umar [ra] and Ali[as] were also very strict when dealing with people of their time ?
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Bro, I think you are correct. I don’t know about Br. Mirch’s stand however IMO, the Asahaba RA, offered a lot of constructive incentives and efforts, which todays scholars do not, very few have their money where their mouth is. I am not using this phrase in disrespect but however to bring the underlying conflict to surface. Our most famous scholars, spend their efforts explaining Islam and clearing misconceptions more than exemplifying to the Ummah. The most they have to their credit is that they may be translating Arabic works to other languages and running institutions which teach Islam. Though all this is noble and essential, theoretically Islam has been taught for 14 centuries and most, if not all, muslims know their basics and fundamentals. What is needed is expansion into all aspects of life today. Real world solutions. Words are best translated into actions.
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Is such long prose really necessary to understand simple day to day things? There used to be two kinds as said above but now there's a 3rd kind - the ulama-e-waiststraps.
We just have to learn to ignore about 99.99 % of religious sermon
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Quran bashed even the sahaba [ra] when they boasted of their stength before battle of hunain ....what are u talking about ? why do you think umar [ra] and Ali[as] were also very strict when dealing with people of their time ?
You have missed the whole point.
Allah has the right to bash anybody or anything. Hazrat Umar(RA) and Hazrat Ali (RA) dealt strictly with people creating mischief and mayhem not with common people who were going on with their lives. I am not talking about bashing by Allah for boasting, or for being a munafig, for being a fasiq. I am talking about Alims making outrageous comments about our daily life and our efforts to make an honest day living.