Music in Islam (merged)

[Crescent]

Re: Is Music Haraam?

@shweetdreamz

guitar is responsible for sex and profanity?

sure, probably in your world :k:

[shweetdreamz]

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@Crescent_

Yes you fail to understand clearly from the hadith and Fuqhis that the musical instrument itself (i.e. the Guitar) is responsible, the sex and profanity is just an add on.

didnt u just say that?

[Seminole]

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@Crescent_

I was laughing because of your lack of knowledge in Islam. Even a non muslim knows Muhammad pbuh was teaching the Religion OF God. He did not have his own religion different from God’s

And his religion has been studied and passed down to Scholars. So follow what they say, because they know it better than you and I.

The Quran is the perfect word of God. Hadith and sunnah are writings and traditions by men who may or may not have accurately reported the teachings of Muhammed which may or may not have been directives from God but how he personally felt he should live his life as a Muslim as per the Quran.

[Das_Reich]

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@Seminole

The Quran is the perfect word of God. Hadith and sunnah are writings and traditions by men who may or may not have accurately reported the teachings of Muhammed which may or may not have been directives from God but how he personally felt he should live his life as a Muslim as per the Quran.

By the part in bold do you mean that Prophet(PBUH) did not fully understand the Quran and was just guessing?and there is no harm if we do the same?
What the Prophet did on a personal level(e.g growing his hair long ) are things very different from the things that he explicitly prohibited.Now if the mustanad(reliable) Hadith are there to confirm this then we should not doubt them.
Regarding the scholars I cannot understand why people belittle their contribution to Islam.Someone who spends his whole life studying religion is also best suited to interpret it.Obviously many use this power for negatives purposes but that dosent mean opinion of ulemas is worthless.

[Seminole]

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Firstly you overlook the more important point raised, *hadith and sunnah are writings and traditions by men who may or may not have accurately reported the teachings of Muhammed *

But regarding the point you raised, Muhammed interpreted and lived the Quran as he saw fit during his lifetime in a far, far away time and place. Things like the length of the beard, how you brush your teeth, etc, etc were perhaps pertinent to how one lived a righteous life 1400 years ago. And of course all that is dependent on my first point, that it was reported accurately to begin with. The permission to listen to music or not is a great example of why looking into non-God (non-Quranic) directives is confusing.

[Crescent]

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@shweetdreamz

didnt u just say that?

Yes I did.

Originally Posted by shweetdreamz
guitar is responsible for sex and profanity?

The Musical INstrument is responsible **for the sins mentioned in the HADITH. **

I didn’t say Guitar was RESPONSIBLE for sex and profanity. I said that probably happens in your world or whatever.

[ammarr]

Re: Is Music Haraam?

Sehar02,

I agree that is a different discussion. The point was that music is just not beautiful all the time.

PCG,

Yes the guitar isn’t getting up and asking to be played along with explicit videos, but what about the alcohol bottle? Is it getting up and forcing its way in gallons down people’s throat and making them freakin drunk? By your reasoning even that should be allowed.

N O W . R e a d S l o w l y : I said, things which are forbidden in Islam, may SEEM beautiful or innocent, but what they can lead to, will be haram. So, something being “beautiful” is NOT AN EXCUSE FOR ITS ALLOWANCE. Ok? Can you agree on that much? Or will you pick something to argue about here too?

Seminole,

@Seminole

The Quran is the perfect word of God. Hadith and sunnah are writings and traditions by men who may or may not have accurately reported the teachings of Muhammed which may or may not have been directives from God but how he personally felt he should live his life as a Muslim as per the Quran.

While its good to see that you have an active interest in islam, i feel that you come here with a bias, which is:

Quran = word of God (we agree),
Hadith=how the Prophet(saws) personally felt he should live his life as a Muslim. (i disagree)

Now, if you just sidestep the belief that hadith is folklore and his personal feelings, do you honestly believe that the person who brought the book, knew it best, “did not speak of his own desire”, who was a mercy for all of mankind, someone we are told to obey, will actually lead us astray by commanding us to do things which are not a part of Islam? Dont get me wrong, i agree with you that the Quran has lost too much emphasis, its become a “sacred” book which isn’t read anymore. But how that justifies saying that ahadith should be read with a pinch of salt is beyond me.

[shweetdreamz]

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@Crescent_

I didn’t say Guitar was RESPONSIBLE for sex and profanity. I said that probably happens in your world or whatever.

same thing (or whatever)
PCG said that the music directors are responsible for the SINS MENTIONED IN THE HADITH and u said guitar is responsible for it. and the sin seems to be profanity itself no?

and now…

:closed:

[picoico]

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@ammarr

Yes the guitar isn’t getting up and asking to be played along with explicit videos, but what about the alcohol bottle? Is it getting up and forcing its way in gallons down people’s throat and making them freakin drunk? By your reasoning even that should be allowed.

No, by her reasoning all non-harmful drinks WITHOUT intoxicants should be allowed. By analogy, all music which isn’t vulgar or anti-Islamic should also be allowed…

I don’t abstain from coke for fear I might go up to wine or vodka…false logic being applied there…

[Crescent]

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@Seminole

^ You sure have a penchant for calling to close topics. This time is a little sillier than most as the post you quoted sums nothing up whatsoever.

For Muslims, it does sum up everything.

@shweetdreamz

same thing (or whatever)
PCG said that the music directors are responsible for the SINS MENTIONED IN THE HADITH and u said guitar is responsible for it. and the sin seems to be profanity itself no?

and now…

**Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 7, Book 69, hadith #494v
**Narrated Abu 'Amir (raa) or Abu Malik Al-Ash’ari (raa) that he heard the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) saying, “From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments [ma’aazif] as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, ‘Return to us tomorrow.’ Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and ###### and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection.”

[shweetdreamz]

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from monkeys we come and to monkeys we return. whats the big deal?

[shweetdreamz]

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@Crescent_

, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments [ma’aazif] as lawful.

right so thats what i said.

so You DID say guitar is cause for profanity…as claimed by above hadees. why did u say "in your world :k: "? before then?

[Seminole]

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Turn them into monkeys?!!

Now that sums up my comment "Hadith and sunnah are writings and traditions by men who may or may not have accurately reported the teachings of Muhammed"

[Crescent]

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@shweetdreamz

right so thats what i said.

so You DID say guitar is cause for profanity…as claimed by above hadees. why did u say "in your world :k: "? before then?

I dunno what else to present to you.

Yeah sure. whatever makes you happy :k:

[picoico]

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@Crescent_

Narrated Abu 'Amir (raa) or Abu Malik Al-Ash’ari (raa) that he heard the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments [ma’aazif] as lawful.

Hmm…note the absesnce of the Duff exception…methinks there’s more to this story…than a single hadith…Al Ghazali’s explanation is perhaps more logical, namely the kind of vulgar music listened to in the Prophet’s day that was associated with sexual promescuity and wine drinking (think a nightclub of their time)…

Also note that the wearing of silk is only prohibited for SOME people…namely men. It’s not forbidden in general.

[PyariCgudia]

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Yes the guitar isn't getting up and asking to be played along with explicit videos, but what about the alcohol bottle? Is it getting up and forcing its way in gallons down people's throat and making them freakin drunk? By your reasoning even that should be allowed.

What kind of logic is this? I never said alcohol was halaal and I never said it is harmless. You can actually see it like this.

Human being's ill intention (human being the music director, singer, etc) + alcohol (if present) --> sin

guitar itself ---> tool misused by evil human being.

Stop blaming sins on some piece of instrument. Humans choose to misuse things, and that is their problem. The human should be blamed, why are you picking on a poor piece of wood and string?

[Crescent]

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@PyariCgudia

Yes the guitar isn’t getting up and asking to be played along with explicit videos, but what about the alcohol bottle? Is it getting up and forcing its way in gallons down people’s throat and making them freakin drunk? By your reasoning even that should be allowed.

What kind of logic is this? I never said alcohol was halaal and I never said it is harmless. You can actually see it like this.

Human being’s ill intention (human being the music director, singer, etc) + alcohol (if present) → sin

guitar itself —> tool misused by evil human being.

Stop blaming sins on some piece of instrument. Humans choose to misuse things, and that is their problem. The human should be blamed, why are you picking on a poor piece of wood and string?

Guitar —> Human plays it —> entice Other humans (bard?) —> Play with emotions —> to do the following:

a. Cry
b. Get hyped up
c. manipulate mood

Have you ever watched a horror flick, the person doesn’t get scared until there is this suspense music that builds up to the climax, then all of a sudden this LOUD music plays, only to see the tap had been opened and nothing else.

The viewer is scared to death just by that.

Take out the music, then watch the movie. NO one will get scared.

This same notion of music playing with emotion is what makes it haraam!

Try to use rational logic too.

[Fret_Wizard]

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@Crescent_

This same notion of music playing with emotion is what makes it haraam!

Reading a book or watching a sporting event will play with ones emotions just the same. Are they both haraam too?

[Crescent]

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@Fret Wizard

Reading a book or watching a sporting event will play with ones emotions just the same. Are they both haraam too?

sure if the sport event makes u commit suicide, or plays in ur head when u’re praying.

[picoico]

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@Crescent_

sure if the sport event makes u commit suicide, or plays in ur head when u’re praying.

Actually, the proper analogy would be banning paper because someone somewhere has published an obscene magazine…you for that?