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^ Are you growing suspicious about me taking only 5 minutes? Have you forgotten what the Quran says about suspicion?
Why don't you correct what I may have written wrong in the last post? That is the reason why I created this topic.
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^ whats wrong?
Please re-read it.
Did you not read it and then understood what you did, by rejecting what the scholars interpret it as?
Thats not suscpicion, but based on fact from your post.
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Please re-read it.
Did you not read it and then understood what you did, by rejecting what the scholars interpret it as?
Thats not suscpicion, but based on fact from your post.
How does my post signify that it took me only 5 minutes to interpret it? Do you base your assumption on the fact that it only took me a few minutes to reply? How does my post signify that I have never come across such texts before, in my life?
How does my post signify that I am trying to become a scholar?
Like I said, initially,** unless I am mistaken**, the above sentence is referring to nightclubs, parties, and such things as unlawful.
Now you can keep on going by throwing personal comments, or you can clear up the misconception that I may have, here.
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^ lol, relax...
Don't take it so literally.
All I'm saying is, even if you spent 5 hours, heck, a week trying to figure it out...thats still nothing compared to the Scholars who have been with the Rasulullah saw, the Sahabahs, and those people who have Studied islam all their life.
So its futile to assume on ur own.
Also, you are not mistaken, Nightclubs are haraam. Cuz they incorporate musical instruments, alocohol, girls, and silk.
If nightclub was name of a shoe brand, it wud not be haraam. But it is in reality, cuz it incorporates the above mentioned htings.
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I am new to this forum and did'nt know that the topic " has been beaten to death"........:) But still there is so much more to come yet.......
and to Crescent and Lahore ka cheetah:
Sometime we do understand things according to our own experiences....
For those lots who never know what a nightclub is alike.......if they read this hadith,they will percieve it according to thier knowledge and experiences.
For example I did'nt know what the hell is a nightclub a few years ago but still I understood this hadith according to my experiences........Its not happening only in nightclubs .......its happening everywhere........
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People who don't understand music will always believe that music is "haraam".
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CMON…There is no reason playing music or shaving with metal or shaking girls hands or anything that mullahs cant do is haraam. How can you call Islam a perfect releigon if you introduce crap like this? If in the Quran it condemns people who use their voice to mislead people, then it means VOICE and not MUSIC because MUSIC has its own word in arabic which is different as compared to the word for VOICE. There is no reason for Allah to speak to us in riddles and expect us not to play/listen to music by saying dont mislead them with your voice, you people who condemn it are just haters and looking for a way to hate westren culture and make other people hate westrens influx of music in our country by making it necessary to hate it by making it appear like Allah said so. You’re hypocryrtes!!! Learn to live by the REAL MESSAGE in the Quran and not BLIND RECITATIONS of it. 
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What people fail to understand is that music is the arrangement of sounds in time to produce melodies and rythms. The Azaan is very musical and melodic in nature, as is the recital of the Holy Quran. Why? because it's pleasing to the ear. Now those melodies can be created on any instrument, and in any fashion or style. Does that make one type of music (Azaan, recital of Quran) valid and other types of arrangements haraam? The only difference between the two are the arrangement of notes. Can you say hypocrisy?
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It is without a doubt that rythm exists in the human heart as well and we by nature swing and sway to rhythmic sounds like a beat of a drum.However,to argue that because its natural is not necessarily an argument for its permissibility .In the animal Kingdom there is evidence of same gender copulation ,but this is not acceptable justification for us to imitiate this.Some things have been subjected to us by Allah as things to conform with and others have been released as a fitnah to test us.
Music is such a fitnah.Structured music is very different from natural sounds such as the voice in Qirat and the song of the bird.Just imagine dancing to music then imagine dancing to Qirat or the bird song.It is impossible to conceive of being able to dance to the song of a bird or Qura'nic recitation,this is because these form of sound break the rules of structured music.
Structured music has 4 bars,6bars or 8 bars loops,by loops i mean repetition and predictable patterns that quickly become memorized.in addition to the beat there are intonations and harmonized overtons the combination of which cannot be found in any Qir'at style nor any bird song.Some tones when structured together in certain ways can artificially bend emotions towards happiness,angriness,sadness and ultimately empty mindedness.The repetitive style of structured music no doubt people will confirm does the opposite of Dzikr,it actually makes a person forget rather than remember.
The mind is susceptible to music much like alcohal and there is drunkenness in some musical forms too.When the pagans of Arabia were getting ready for battle they used to play music and dance to liven thier spirits,but the muslim camp just prayed.This together with the hadith about the instruments of Satan should make us recognize that music is not allowed,at least it is highly undesirable.
However,I am witness to the fact that when i stopped indulgence in music my thoughts became so much more clear and I could understand things in more detail that I was unable to do in the past.I feel leaving music has given me this ability.
Of all the musicians who play music they are elevated to positions of honour that resembles worship and even people who sing Islamic songs are chased with thier crowds of fans and followers.Which I think is quite distasteful.
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First of all, this is about music, not dancing. Secondly, structured music may cause you personally to forget things, but it causes me to remember things, and think more clearly. Are you going to tell me I’m wrong? I hope not, because everyone reacts to music in different ways, none of which are wrong. Music can only be beneficial to mankind. And yes, harmonies and overtones do exist in nature. Have you ever heard birds sing in harmony and on time? I have.
Also, before anyone brings this up, this is about music not lyrics or dancing. They are two totally different things.
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So how do you compare recitation of Quran and Adhaan with Musical instruments again? 
Sex before marriage is no different than sex after marriage. The only thing different is that after marriage sex had the “nikkah” done before it.
HOwever, we’re forbidden to have sex before marriage. Just because they’re the “same” thing, it means we can have sex before marriage?
The point here is, Music has been condemned haraam by Nabi Sallallhualaywasalam. And that should be the end of it.
Justifying it, would be wrong. As was the case with the sex example.
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fret
if you love music and can't leave it then except it..........
you can't deny the fact that its haram in islam
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How? Simple, both are melodic, and both are, as much as you hate to admit it, musical.
Now you’re straying way off topic. It clearly states that sex before marriage is haraam. But sex is not haraam. Where does it say that the ONLY music allowed is the melodies of the Azaan, and the melodies of the recital of the Quran? If all music was haraam, then why is the Duff allowed?
Is the Duff condemned as well? The Duff creates music, but is not condemmed.
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Someone has yet to explain how Music is harmful. Care to explain?
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Music is not harmful its actually very beneficial. If no one can bring any specific ayahs from the Quran stating "Music" as "Haraam", then case closed, its allowed, period
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How? Simple, both are melodic, and both are, as much as you hate to admit it, musical.
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Allah hu Akbar and Do re mi are not the same thing...
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Now you're straying way off topic. It clearly states that sex before marriage is haraam. But sex is not haraam. Where does it say that the ONLY music allowed is the melodies of the Azaan, and the melodies of the recital of the Quran? If all music was haraam, then why is the Duff allowed?
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duff is halaal when you use it at times of nikkah, and battle. And haraam when used for entertainment purposes. Musical Instruments have already been condemned in the hadiths that have been posted in this forum.
Sex is **haraam if it is done before marriage. THat doesn't mean sex itself is not halaal, its when you do it that makes it **halal or **haraam. **Similarily with music.
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Again, you’re straying from the topic. I’m not talking about words, I’m talking about melodies. So, I’ll ask again, how is one melody halaal, and the other not halaal?
Ahh, so not all musical instruments are haraam. A duff is a musical instrument, just like any other, which creates rythm. So tell me, how is one rythm different from another rythm created by another musical instrument?
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Its simple.
Lemme go back to the example of Sex. One asks, Like you did. Sex itself (the act) shudn't be haraam? but **when **you do it.
SIMILARILY, we're allowed to use DUFFS, in certain conditions, its not ALWAYS allowed.
Also, other musical instruments are not allowed because we're told not too.
The only instrument allowed is a duff, even that in certain conditions.
Going back to sex, Sex is allowed, under certain conditions. Get your Nikkah done.
So to that Fret, will you ask, Whats the difference between Pre marital and After marriage sex?
Cuz thats what you're asking about music...
This is whats allowed, it doesn't matter what other instrument can be like the duff, or have the same rythm its just not allowed.
We're told and we obey.
For Allah knows better than us. Even if we see no rationale.
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Your example of sex is totally off the wall. Your statement above is acceptable. However, what is not acceptable to me is people saying that music is bad for mankind and therefore haraam. That is complete ignorance.