Re: Mush's Popularity
I am Fed Up with giving justifications for Mush. All those who hate Mush can G.F.T.S!
Go figure that!
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Re: Mush's Popularity
zb
thanks.
as far as the most popular tag goes the guy is stating a study by some group. agree with is disagree with it, question their methods, question whether it is real, but the study says he is more popular. study could have 50 flaws sure.
I can do a study which shows that kafeel bhai is the most popular person, depending on my questions and sample etc.
point being he may not be the most popular, this study says he is. Ppl are free to agree or disagree.
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you come from a well off family(likely Army)...
err...I dont recall announcing any such facts...
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zb, I'm glad you seem to get Fraudia's points, they pretty much relate my views as well. And whether or not Mush is popular or best, he certainly is different breed and much better for our Pakistan in many ways compared to the rest. In what ways exactly? Let's go carry our own survey on the roads and talk to the Pakistanis from all walks. I'm sure if theyre unhappy with Mush for 1 reason, theyd curse the others for 3. who then is to be supported? I'm afraid Mushs biggest mistake has been to not bring a 'change' when time was ripe.
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All I am interested in is someone who can deliver results...good results. I am seeing that with this regime and I support what it is doing for these good results. I do have issues with this govt, however they dont take away from wat they have delivered. Objectivity is just that.
your apparent objectivity would be more convincing if you were not such an abashed flag waving supporter of Mush govt, and his corrupt allies.
Of all the 'issues' you say u have with this govt, despite all the scandals and corruption, you have never even mildy criticised them....which is telling.
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mushy is no way most favourite person in pakistan nor any other leader in pak at present.
this government call it corrupt, run by army, run by deamons. but certainly lesser evil than those two useless a$$es. they have atleast dilevered few good things if you not agree in all. they have introduced eduction reforms for the first time in pakistan. we have stable economy far better than we had in the past under those looters.
I agree with fraudia we have something to chear about, we havent got a developed pakistan yet, but i certainly believe we can improve on the foundations we have got now.
NB> If mushy wanted he could have planted anything on zardari and ns and run through courts. if it hasnt been done, do agree that justice system is not under pressure.
the corruption in Pakistan is done by 10% was recorded only on PostIt slips fixed on files, removed when deal is completed. hence no traces to prove that in the court. lack of proper systems to follow it completely throughly
we like these deamons rather than ppp or gunja (ex now they have hairs) angels!! they may have flaws too, but far less than those two idiots.
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Every one whether a supporter of Nawaz, BB, Mush or Mullah claims that they are "better" than others at the same time acknowledging that tose they support ARE corrupt.
This belif of lesser evil is what has damaged Pakistan.
Silly Billy, Fraudz, Haris can u please enlighten us "how" Mush is better than Nawaz&BB.
I consider Mush more evil than the two coz
1- His rule is illegitimate
2- One can vote out a democratc gov, one cannot vote out a dictator.
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Look who is talking 
I have not mildly criticized them? really
lets make a deal, I will find instances where I have criticized them, on issues ranging from law and order, to corruption, and for each instance that I have criticized them u get banned for a month? deal..or no deal
talk is cheap..walk the walk…or withdraw your statement and eat crow.
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I consider thim to be better just like mah peeps in pakistan…
TI survey of Pakistanis in pakistan shows that 3.17% believe that he is the most corrupt ruler
48% said Benazir was the most corrupt ruler
43% say Nawaz was the most corrupt ruler
hows that for starters
Re: Mush’s Popularity
So RealDeal..
are youa real deal, will you stand by your accusation and face the challenge, here is a sneak preview…
One month
two months
Three months
…and I have not even gone to a different thread yet
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How about answering this question?
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Silly Billy, Fraudz, Haris can u please enlighten us "how" Mush is better than Nawaz&BB.
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I did already, I gave one answer.
and btw..here are some more of my not so flattering statements about the regime.
month 4, 5 and 6 just in case anyone is counting.
*http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=356487&highlight=Musharraf#post356487
Was Sharif a crooked politician, yes, but does he need to be hanged for the whole plane fiasco? I dont think so. Because by constitution Musharraf can be tried on numerous charges himself.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=356736&highlight=Musharraf#post356736
Musharraf may be all commited and sincere as he says, but the manner in which he took power and the basis of his case against Nawaz is complete nonsense. The way this case was handled was also absurd.
Lets have justice, and lets have fairness.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=2495540&highlight=Musharraf#post2495540
musharraf is in power, true
ios he better than his predecessors…some think yes some think no. I dont think he is some great savior like many but surely think that he is better than the clowns before him.
Actually I did not support teh coup, i did not knw what to make of it.
Is musharraf no better than his predecessors..hmmm, i think he is better. but again he did nto have to do a whole lot to be better then them. Lets just hold them to the same standards.
whereas u say that if he is not better ehy should he be here, and I say if others are no better why bother removing him
as far as violence goes the conditions are very different, the ethnic violence that was a daily event all the way from zia to early days of nawaz is miniscule compared to what it was at its prime. I dont think the previous regimes would have been able to handle the current extremists as well either.
why are people supporting him blindly, i dunno..why do people support benazir blindly..
I have no interest in supporting him blindly, but just saying he needs to go and things will be okay is a bit simplistic..who will be next and how this person will act is kinda important.
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how about reading post # 50. Thats oe thing peoplein pakistan feel he is better in.
and guys , lets dfferntiate between person and facts
whether or not I think Musharraf is better than Nawaz or Benazir is immaterial
the results are that are important.
do I support Martial Law? no, do I want military to run the country, .. no?
but when World bak says Pakistan is doing well, thats a statement, when the investment rating is raised, thats a fact. Its immaterial whether or not I like the govt.
people seem to have a problem separating their personal views about a person and facts and thus go challenging facts resorting to personal attacks, and assuming things about other people’s families or their interests in a regime.
Although the fact is that during this regime, we have not been threatened, family members have not been kidnapped (with some minister of interior behind teh kidnapping), cars have not been taken at gunpoints, life savings have not been taken by illegal conversion of dollar accts to ruppe accts, orchards have not been torched, and investment property has not been talen over by goons like shaheed* bhutto group people
- shaheed in this case means that idiot terrorist who was sent to hell probably by his sister and died like a dog that he was
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Fraudz your opponents seem to have run away. 
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do I support Martial Law? no, do I want military to run the country, .. no? but when World bak says Pakistan is doing well, thats a statement, when the investment rating is raised, thats a fact. Its immaterial whether or not I like the govt.
Although the fact is that during this regime, we have not been threatened, family members have not been kidnapped (with some minister of interior behind teh kidnapping), cars have not been taken at gunpoints, life savings have not been taken by illegal conversion of dollar accts to ruppe accts, orchards have not been torched, and investment property has not been talen over by goons like shaheed* bhutto group people
you have not been threatend because you don't live in Pakistan. Those who do know the huge crime rate making their lives so dangerous. In Sindh the biggest goons in Pakistani history, MQM are partners in govt....something you happily ignore.
Read the latest Human Rights report,posted by Zakk to read about the regime making people 'disappear'.
As for the economy, thankfully life has been pumped into it since 9/11.
Since you are such a fan of statistics, read the abysmal performance form 99-01.
There are numeropus instances of corruption and scandal you continuously ignore....your claim to 'objectivity' get's smaller with every post.
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TheRealDeal bols
you have not been threatend because you don't live in Pakistan. Those who do know the huge crime rate making their lives so dangerous. In Sindh the biggest goons in Pakistani history, MQM are partners in govt....something you happily ignore.
by 'we' i meant my family at large, including my parents who live there, and a number of relatives, and no one has been threatened, no ransom demands, no taking over property, no kidnapping, no extortion attempts.
oh and we were threatened even when i was not in Pakistan, when my dad was threatened with kidnapping of his children just because you BB govt wanted him to make decisions that benefited her pals.
*Read the latest Huma Rights report to see abouot the regime making people 'disappear'. *
although teh gunning down of ppl in streets has kinda droppeddown significantly. read up on violent crime stats.
As for the economy, thankfully life has been pumped into it since 9/11.
already proven to be incorrect in multiple posts.
Since you are such a fan of statistics, read the abysmal performance form 99-01.
read it, and I am in agreement with what economic experts including world bank are sayng that the reforms made then started making immediate impact, and teh results are showing now.
There are numeropus instances of corruption and scandal you continuously ignore....your claim to 'objectivity' get's smaller with every post.
well atleast you are not going to claim that I have never criticized this govt? remember the challenge there. i did not see a response to that :)
Re: Mush’s Popularity
they will come back with the same broken record. as if there opinion is proven false in one thread, that it will become a univeral truth in another
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well atleast you are not going to claim that I have never criticized this govt? remember the challenge there. i did not see a response to that :)
'refresh' my memory saab, when did you ever criticise the govt, over its many corruption scandals such as KSE, karachi steel, etc, etc.
You seem to be a card carrying member of ths govt, rarely do we see the objectivity you claim to possess.
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read post 51 and post 53 for examples. you are chickening out of accepting the challenge. :)
you make baseless accusations which are completely false, and when you cant prove your point you get personal and attack people personally. Very cheap.