Musharraf's Unifrom / Wardi Utaro, Mulk Sanwaro (merged)

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its becoming clearer and clearer with each passing day that the president has decided not to shed his uniform by the end of december this year as it was promised in the 17th amendment that he would become a civilian president of the country

i like the way he is going wid his policies but tyhe uniform issue needs to be setteled although we can never expect MMA doing something remerkable on this issue … they r just a “show opposition”

ISLAMABAD: Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA) Wednesday said it will start a joint protest movement in collaboration with other opposition parties if President Gen Pervez Musharraf does not fulfil his commitment he made on uniform issue.

Talking to Online deputy parliamentary leader of MMA Liaqat Baloch said that MMA has a written proof, according to which Musharraf was constitutionally bound to relinquish one of his offices by by December 31 2004.

“If he does not do so then we along with other parties of opposition parties will launch protest drive both within and outside the parliament, the final decision to this extent will come to surface tomorrow (Friday) after meeting of opposition parties prior to the NA session,” he added.

He made it clear that any decision on uniform against 17th amendment will be contrary to the constitution and will harm its integrity besides compelling the country to a massive unrest.

From December 31, clause 63-1 (D) of constitution will be automatically applicable and after that Musharraf has no right to remain in uniform, he held.

“What we want is that the parliament should be free from the military grasp and we will go all out to achieve this dream,” he noted.

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Re: Musharraf's Unifrom

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*Originally posted by Shehenshah: *
.....president has decided not to shed his uniform .....
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Why are you so concerned?
Are you waiting to launder the uniform quickly after he "sheds" it?

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Dear Shehenshah,

Salaams,

His uniform is not just a dress with ----on. It is something which he has earned after lots of hard work in different wars; exactly as we earn our degrees of education. Infact I do not think it is fair to ask him to put it off. It is what respect he has earned. Regarding he being President.

So what when so many twisted, untwisted, were our Presidents, why not we let him also and wait and see his deeds. Poor PResident. he said in his interview, that I earn Halal key and I work for it 16 ANNa.

Same is PM shoukat Aziz he said KHOUN PASENE KA MEI NEY KAMAYA HEI staying abroad. I think both of them are honest. They are sincerely trying and abviously they are successful at initial stage. Bye sokoon

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Dear Shehenshah,

Salaams,

His uniform is not just a dress with ----on. It is something which he has earned after lots of hard work in different wars; exactly as we earn our degrees of education. Infact I do not think it is fair to ask him to put it off. It is what respect he has earned. Regarding he being President.

So what when so many twisted, untwisted, were our Presidents, why not we let him also and wait and see his deeds. Poor PResident. he said in his interview, that I earn Halal key and I work for it 16 ANNa.

Same is PM shoukat Aziz he said KHOUN PASENE KA MEI NEY KAMAYA HEI staying abroad. I think both of them are honest. They are sincerely trying and abviously they are successful at initial stage. Bye sokoon
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Ditto, and I just have ONE question for those who are against Musharaf.

** If you could find me ONE person who is much worthy of president seat then musharaf rite now, I will change my vote for Musharaf. **

But sadly, there is NO BODY and i mean NO BODY in our politics who is honest. I am not saying Musharaf is 101 % honest but at least is still far better than Bay Nazir and Nawaz sharif kinda low people
-Salman

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thanx for the replies expect the stupid one as usual from antiobl
i would say that i am never against Musharraf infact i like the person and his policies very much and it was only his personality that took me to the National Assembly on his 17th January address to the joint session
of parliament and then even to the Speaker's Chamber to meet him once

the reason for posting it here was to invite a fruitful dialogue and have other's opinion on the issue rather than discussing my personal liking or disliking abt the president or praising his policies ( which he deserves though )

*the question is constitutional not particularly abt Musharraf
should the constitution of Pakistan be amended once again to keep him (or any other General ) in the Uniform , COAS , and the president at the same time .... and if this happens should the then system be called a democracy *

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...the question is constitutional not particularly abt Musharraf ...
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Constitutional question! Well now I need to get serious.

The answer is: just make an amendment. We had the 8th to help us out. Unfortunately NS got rid of it.

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*Originally posted by Shehenshah: *
thanx for the replies expect the stupid one as usual from antiobl ...
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Stupid comments will be treated as such.

Kapeesh!!

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When all kinds of loop holes were delibrately left in by past governments in constitution, and it is easy to amend it once again ; why not. If it would be needed ever again, we would amend it again.

Fazllu moullana ney Bouhat Barey Ghatey key.
Ae Temad Kou TEHS POUCHAEI

Na TOU AB ---SEY UN KOU PESAY MELEIN GAY < OR NA HE HOUKOUMAT SAY BANAKAY RAKHE.

QAROUN KA KHAZANA BEH KHALI HOU JA TA HEI

Now Present has made alliances with almost all madrasa waley lougoun say. Presedent is also Pakistan, he is also musalman, and he is in a position; so every one liked him when he called moullanas of madrasas.

Rehgaei akeley becharey bouzourg loug.

Bye sokoon

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Musharraf to retain his army post](BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Minister denies Musharraf U-turn)

Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf is to stay on as head of the armed forces despite a previous pledge to stand down by January.
Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said: “The president will keep both the posts. The national situation demands he keeps the two offices.”

The announcement follows weeks of speculation and rival motions from parliamentary parties over the issue.

The decision will anger Pakistan’s hardline Islamic parties, analysts say.

Mr Ahmed said the “situation has changed” since the president made his pledge.

General Musharraf came to power in a bloodless coup in 1999.

He claimed this month that 96% of people wanted him to keep his military post.

Islamic alliance

The debate over the president’s dual role has divided the nation since parliamentary elections in October 2002.

Uniform divides Pakistan

After the polls, opposition groups protested at a change in the constitution that allowed him to retain both posts.

The president agreed to review the decision and entered a dialogue with an alliance of six Islamic groups.

They agreed not to back a no-confidence motion after President Musharraf said he would step down as army head by 31 December 2004.

The president in return got a constitutional amendment legitimising his military takeover and subsequent actions.

But President Musharraf has said there is nothing in the amendment that bars him from remaining army chief for another five years.

Analysts say he may feel his real source of strength lies in commanding the military.

As a purely civilian head he may come under greater pressure from parties to alter his reforms, they say.

His supporters argue he needs to remain in uniform to tackle al-Qaeda and other Islamic extremists.

In May the Commonwealth decided to lift the suspension on Pakistan’s membership in part because President Musharraf had agreed to stand down as army head.

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For once there is a voice of reason from the Bhuttos ;p

Mumtaz Bhutto praises President Musharraf, asks politicians to take up public problems instead of wasting time on uniform issue: KARACHI, Sep 15: Chairman, Sindh National Front, Sardar Mumtaz Ali Bhutto said today that the politicians should raise the voice for redressing the public grievances instead of wasting time and energy on the issue of President's uniform. " The politicians have confused themselves on uniform issue that has made them unable to strive for the real issues while the fact is that common man is least bothered to it," he said while talking to people who met him today at his village Mirpur Bhutto, says a press release issued by SNF. (PPI) (Posted @ 16:10 PST)
Separater (www.dawn.com)

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Musharraf's Uniform. Is it back from Shehenshah Drycleaners? General sahab needs his uniform pronto.

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*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
For once there is a voice of reason from the Bhuttos ;p

Mumtaz Bhutto praises President Musharraf, asks politicians to take up public problems instead of wasting time on uniform issue: KARACHI, Sep 15: Chairman, Sindh National Front, Sardar Mumtaz Ali Bhutto said today that the politicians should raise the voice for redressing the public grievances instead of wasting time and energy on the issue of President's uniform. " The politicians have confused themselves on uniform issue that has made them unable to strive for the real issues while the fact is that common man is least bothered to it," he said while talking to people who met him today at his village Mirpur Bhutto, says a press release issued by SNF. (PPI) (Posted @ 16:10 PST)
Separater (www.dawn.com)
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Yeah but its coming from a person like 'Mumtaz Bhutto', and we all know what a big lota he is. Hes no different than Chaudhry Shujaat or Sheikh Rashid.

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Wardi Utaro, Mulk Sanwaro

Seriously, how is the wardi that is President Musharraf’s uniform affecting our country?
Do you think that its a futile effort on part of the politicians to create a rukus in the parliament whereby they have put all their efforts and focus on this issue. For some it is the main issue while for others it remains a non-issue. But what is at stake is the business of the state that has been suffering due to their hatred towards the uniformed man.

http://www.dawn.com/2004/09/16/nat1.htm

Politicians should focus on real issues, says Mumtaz

KARACHI, Sep 15: Chairman of the Sindh National Front Sardar Mumtaz Ali Bhutto said on Wednesday that politicians should take up with the government the issues related to people’s grievances instead of wasting their time and energy on the issue of president’s uniform.

“Politicians have indulged themselves in the uniform issue to the extent that they are not able to may efforts for real issues. The fact, however, is that common man is least bothered about the issue of uniform,” he said while talking to people who called on him at Mirpur Bhutto, Larkana district, on Wednesday, according to an SNF press release.

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Re: Wardi Utaro, Mulk Sanwaro

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Seriously, how is the wardi that is President Musharraf's uniform affecting our country?

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That's like asking Mullahs

Dari (beard) utaro, Mulk sanwaro.

p.s. It will create power struggle between COS and President. Mullahs will then show up in the GHQ for the bakhsheesh.

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Re: Re: Wardi Utaro, Mulk Sanwaro

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That's like asking Mullahs

Dari (beard) utaro, Mulk sanwaro.

p.s. It will create power struggle between COS and President. Mullahs will then show up in the GHQ for the bakhsheesh.
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Dafa ho jao, Gupistan Sanwaro!

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Dafa ho jao, Gupistan Sanwaro!
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Nah! Islam! Don't you ever kick MAToos off of Gupistan. We'll lose all the comedians.

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antiobl, did it occur to you that some may find you a comedian with all the mattoo tattoo replies in all of your post :p

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Honestly, we have to move towards a civilian administration. Musharaf will have to step dow eventually, and I like him to much to see him go the way of Zia... I think the best thing for Pak is gradual step wise return to complete civilian control. One that happnes, we need to keep democracy going for at leat ten years with relatively good degree of consistency of policies. The best thing the military can do now, is to reform the system. Fix the whole devolution mess, improve the judicial, and legislative, and force the parties themselves to reform by aloowing such things as local elections.

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whoever is appointed as army chief is usually fires the leader who hires
him so why musharuff would resign as army chief?

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I dont think any comment is required after reading this article, but I will put my foot in my mouth and dare to say, the Military in Pakistan is so accustomed to ruling that, even the faintest thought of following orders from a civilian, gives the Army nightmares.

Not only that now President Musharraf is claiming that the Majority of Pakistani’s want him in Uniform!!!

Ok Hit me now

Here is an intresting read

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13569701&headline=Majority~want~me~in~uniform:~Musharraf

Majority want me in uniform: Musharraf

Saturday, 18 September , 2004, 08:41

Washington: Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has said that he might renege on his pledge to step down as military chief because “the vast majority” of the Pakistani people “want me in uniform.”
Musharraf said that conditions in the country had changed since he promised last December to leave the army as part of a deal with opposition lawmakers that would allow him to remain president through 2007.

“It’s primarily the security of Pakistan, the internal conditions,” Musharraf, who seized power in a bloodless coup in 1999, said in an interview with the Washington Post.

“There’s too much happening around,” he continued, citing terrorist threats and potentially divisive battles over the sharing of limited water resources.

A decision by Musharraf to stay on as army chief of staff could prove awkward for the Bush administration, which has embraced Musharraf as a key ally in the war on terrorism while calling for greater democracy in the Muslim world, the Post said.

Pakistan has been ruled by military governments for much of its 57-year history.

Musharraf arrives this weekend in New York, where he is scheduled to meet with President Bush on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly.

The US State Department, reacting to Musharraf’s remarks on his military role, said it did not think that the Pakistani leader would deviate from his commitment to hang up his uniform.

“I’m saying that we have no cause to believe, based on what has been said and done in the last several days, that there is any deviation from that commitment,” the department’s deputy spokesman, Adam Ereli, said.

On whether his military role would be discussed during his visit to the United States, Ereli said: "I won’t predict what will or won’t come up.

“What I can say is that our position hasn’t changed. And I think it’s well known. And if the subject does come up, we will reiterate our views on the subject.”

Musharraf, 61, said in the interview that whether he stayed in uniform had “nothing to do with democracy,” adding, “It’s only the Western media, which is attaching, linking my uniform with democracy.”

Musharraf said he had not made a final decision about whether to stay on as military chief. He said he was “still looking at the pulse of the people” and noted that he has until the end of the year to make up his mind.

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*Originally posted by Aejaz: *
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Ok Hit me now

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No need to! Bharati Bonpoo "Sify" the piffy has already hit every Baha-Rat-i Jasoos.

Cut and paste job from Baha-Rat-i media is easy, using brains is mighty difficult.