Musharraf's treason trial

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1) He did that as an army chief & not as the president (thus it would be considered a coup invoking article 6)
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Army chief can act on behalf of State with consent of President, and that is not coup. Coup always get followed with change of government ... unless it is failed coup.

Coup is an action that is against the State, where head of state or established government change hands. Coup does not happen where State is involved and no change of government happened, nor any step was taken against the government. Thus, you cannot say that Emergency of Nov 2007 was Coup or Martial law.

On Nov 2007, only Emergency was imposed where some parts of Constitution went in abeyance. Government of the time initiated the Emergency, asked President for it, and President decided that it would be Army Chief who would declare Emergency on his and state's behalf.

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2) What was the legal justification for suspending the Constitution?
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I did write earlier about legal justification for putting a part of constitution suspended. Please read:

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* What I know (or understood from various sources), that November 2007 emergency was imposed on country due to threat to the country from terrorism (Pakistan army was fighting terrorism and court was not punishing but releasing the terrorists). Another factor was financial, where court obstructing running of state financial matters, and that was again affecting whole country. Hence emergency on country ... and that emergency was declared on advice of Prime Minister, Cabinet, Provincial governors and Chief Ministers of all 4 provinces. Later emergency got approval from Parliament, Senate and '7 bench Supreme Court'. Further, it was army chief that declared the emergency on behalf of President ... due to terrorism in the country damaging or affecting the security of the country.*
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3) If you read the Constitutional it clearly states that joint sitting of the parliament must approve presidential actions, and that never happened.
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Both houses (Parliament and Senate) that form join sitting, gave their approval on emergency, even though approval was not necessary, as approval is needed to extend the emergency, and if no approval is taken then emergency expires in two months. 3 Nov 2007 emergency was lifted much before 2 months expired. Anyhow, if emergency is imposed, then joint sitting of Parliament and Senate can pass a resolution that can make emergency end. But with 3 Nov 2007, emergency was approved by National Assembly as well as Senate, and obviously no resolution came against the emergency. Here is relevant clause:

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A Proclamation of Emergency shall be laid before a joint sitting which shall be summoned by the President to meet within thirty days of the Proclamation being issued and,

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shall cease to be in force at the expiration of two months unless before the expiration of that period it has been approved by a resolution of the joint sitting; and

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shall, subject to the provisions of paragraph (a), cease to be in force upon a resolution disapproving the Proclamation being passed by the votes of the majority of the total memberships of the two Houses in joint sitting.

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I think you are confused between validation and approval (that got caused by Media anchors misguiding people). In Pakistan Martial-Laws need validation of constitution (even though that is and should be illegal), and that happens with constitutional amendment. Government needs 2/3 majority in National Assembly and Senate to change constitution to validate Martial laws.

**Actually, first thing Musharraf lawyers should contest in court is that, 3 Nov Emergency was not Martial Law, and I think it would not be difficult to contest that. If it was not Martial law, then case ends then and there, as President can impose emergency anytime, without validation requirement of Assembly and Senate.

[Though, as far as 3 Nov Emergency is concerned, there was validation from President, Prime Minister, Cabinet ministers, Assembly, Senate, all heads of provinces (Governors and Chief Ministers), Joint Chief of Army Staff, Head of all armed forces, Head of intelligence agencies, Core commanders, and all relevant authorities, even SC (consisting of 7 bench judges including CJ Dogar) gave its validation to Emergency after 3 Nov].**

Approval happens with simple majority, and in many cases, majority in sitting Parliament. Anyhow, emergency do not need validation or approval, though 3 Nov emergency did get approval from Parliament of the time, Senate of the time, Cabinet of the time, as well as Supreme Court of the time.

Nov 2003 emergency was very soft emergency (unlike what Media wants people to believe). Most part of Constitution was intact, and a very small part of constitution got suspended. Judges were asked to take new oath so that they can work with new amended constitution (PCO). Those who did not take oath were considered as not willing to work and thus their job got terminated. Later they were asked to leave Judges’ residence, that they resisted and media started showing it as if they were put under house arrest (completely opposite to reality).

Fact was that, government wanted them Judges to leave the residence so that new Judges could be given their accommodation, and it was them who put themselves confined to their residence fearful that if they leave their government given residence, government would repossess their official residence. One judge (I think it was Justice Iqbal) accepted termination of SC judge job, left his residence and took another job without problem.

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nice answer... this should be engraved at some sacred place... wow... you are too good.. even Bush can't hate humans are much as you do.. bravo!!

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Pak Army has to clear the position on the statement of this traitor .

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Musharraf says treason case a ´vendetta´, army backs him - thenews.com.pk
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The traitor who and thousands like him saving our axxx day and night? What prove you have to call him a traitor ? And don wana listen that he kill your BB. Everyone who came in power rape the constitue according to his her desire and achievements. Didn't Bhutto ammended it? Bhutto is more like a watan frosh to me who let go the East Pakistan to just fullfiled his dreams to be PM of remain Pakistan. Shame shame

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Saving the border is their duty and attacking Islamabad raping constitution is an offence and such offender is called a traitor .
میرے خلاف غداری کے مقدمے سے پوری فوج پریشان ہے، پرویز مشرف](http://www.express.pk/story/212287/)

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And ruined all country make it like hell on earth by poltical parties and raped the constitution on their verson are also traitors including your party and it's all previous leaders.

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Saying the Baluchistan ruling party cheif

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Musharraf seems desperate. He wants the Army to side with him in his hour of crisis. He is sending SOS to army through media. I feel the last and the most vital card would be played by Riyadh.

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Despite being a very vociferous critic of Musharraf, I would not hang Musharraf if the the power was in my hand. You just don't hang your ex COAS while the war is still going on. A totally wrong precedent which sends all kinds of wrong messages.

Even if Pakistan by some miracle gets out of this war and Musharraf's case is still hanging, I hope they go with life imprisonment not execution.

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^I agree..hanging Musharraf will be a big mistake. I do however..think Riyadh will bail him out. As far as all these treason cases...we all know whole bunch of big politicans were involved in it as well. Onka bhi naam ana chahye samne.

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Treason Twice , Once with constitution of the home land and second time with his own amended constitution .
Killer of thousands innocent Pakistanis , A killer , A traitor , A slave of US .
I know he will not be hanged , Be......... kabhi phansi naheen charhta

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^^Phansi sirf Bhutto ke leay hay woh bhi jhootay fraud case main.

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Dear PP Jiyalas......... what stopped Zardari from trying mushrraf? Instead of giving guard of honor?

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This is Pakistan my dear
Have a look on history .
Only Punjabis can do this
Others are 2nd class ........................................

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Musharraf is Punjabi?? I didn't know..

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lols.. This reminds me that there was a time, when Kashmiris used to call all Non-Kashmiris as Punjabi :hehe:

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While he should be on trial but then again so should these morons who have ran the country into the ground for the last 5 years…stop perpuating this myth about hundreds of children killed in Lal Masjid when its not true at all. Had the Masjid had no weapons there would not have been any fighting, you can’t have an armed gang running amok and challenging the government like that.

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Hes guilty of killing Afghans too? And Bugti? Are you serious? You have got to be kidding me


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who ordered bugti's killing then?

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^ You misunderstood, I meant Bugti deserved what he got. But everything else..we may as well label every single thing on him then.

Not a big Mush fan either mind you, I used to like him once upon a time, but the NRO drama can't be forgiven. I don't disagree with his trial neither his guilt really, but surely all other corrupt morons should be put on trial too, which will never happen. I find it funny a corrupt insaan like NS is sitting on the sidelines cheering when he should be in the dock too for some of the stunts he pulled up.