Musharraf's treason trial

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Military breaks the silence, finally

ISLAMABAD - General (r) Pervez Musharraf treason trial episode took a new, yet anticipated, turn on Tuesday with a top defence official jumping into the fray in a bid to dissociate the military from the entire saga.
“It is extremely surprising why speculations are on about the military’s involvement in this case,” said Defence Secretary Lt-Gen (r) Asif Yasin Malik in a brief and candid interaction with media people Tuesday. The secretary was leaving for the Ministry of Defence (MoD), Rawalpindi, after attending a scheduled session of National Assembly Standing Committee on Defence at the Parliament House when several journalists raised a set of queries, all concerning the former dictator.
The defence secretary spoke about the treason trial case against Pervez Musharraf in the Special Court to which a medical report on Musharraf’s treatment at Armed Forces Institute of Cardiology (AFIC), Rawalpindi, was submitted. The four-page report, prepared by AFIC Commandant Maj-Gen Syed Muhammad Imran Majeed, recommended coronary angiography of Pervez Musharraf to “optimise the management and to ascertain the possibility of further interventions like coronary artery bypass surgery.”
In his Tuesday’s interaction with journalists, Defence Secretary Asif Yasin Malik attempted to mince words when asked about Musharraf’s possible fate. Passing the buck on the judiciary, he said, “The matter is pending with the court. It’s for the court to decide the case, which is the rightful and authorised platform to do so.”
The secretary, however, added, “I wonder why speculative reports keep running in the media about this issue. I come across so many news items that suggest that the military is behind him (Musharraf). Pakistan Army has nothing to do with this whole episode. As I said the matter is with the court, let the court decide on it.”
Malik further said, “When courts are civilians, a trial is conducted by civilians and there are civilians everywhere (dealing with the matter), there’s absolutely no room and possibility for the military’s role whatsoever.”
Seen as the military establishment’s perspective on the Musharraf issue, the secretary’s viewpoint came against the backdrop of intense purported discussions within the top military ranks on devising the army’s response. Lately, the military top bosses were discussing whether to issue a formal statement on the treason trial episode or informally brief journalists on the issue.
Pressure was mounting on the military to speak on Musharraf’s trial after the ex-army chief had claimed in televised interviews that he had full backing of Pakistan Army, which, he said, was deeply concerned over his trial. The same issue was discussed in the corps commanders’ conference last week.
The defence secretary also dispelled the impression that Musharraf had gone into hiding in the AFIC. “Everybody knows AFIC has the best heart physicians. It is one of the best hospitals for cardiac treatment. He is being treated there and doctors are taking good care of him,” he remarked.
Meanwhile, a meeting of NA Standing Committee on Defence was held under the chairmanship of Sheikh Rohail Asghar to discuss Cantonment Laws (Amendments) Bill 2013 and Surveying and Mapping Ordinance 2013. Senior officials at MoD, Military Lands & Cantonments (ML&Cs) and Survey of Pakistan appeared before the panel to give related briefings.
The Supreme Court is hearing a case regarding delay in local government elections in the cantonment boards and its proceedings were also held Tuesday.

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Former strongman Pervez Musharraf may be leaving Pakistan - latimes.com

By Aoun Sahi
January 7, 2014, 11:09 a.m.
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — He returned to Pakistan from self-imposed exile last March amid a media circus, death threats and boasts of reclaiming the presidency he once seized in a bloodless coup.
But Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s days in Pakistan appear to be numbered now that the former strongman has spent nearly a week in a military hospital complaining of health problems while avoiding a court appearance on treason charges.
The special court hearing the case on Tuesday began reviewing a medical report saying the 70-year-old Musharraf was suffering from blocked arteries, a spinal cord problem and hypertension. Musharraf’s wife, who lives in Dubai, has asked Pakistan’s interior ministry for permission for him to travel abroad for medical treatment, and officials close to the country’s security services said he could depart within days.
“It is good for everybody — including Musharraf — that he would go out of the country,” said a senior security official in Islamabad, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.
While his possible destination remained unknown, analysts said the former president and army chief’s presence in Pakistan has become a political headache for the 6-month-old civilian government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. By attempting for the first time to prosecute a former senior military figure, Sharif’s government has ignited tensions with an all-powerful army establishment that is loath to see a former leader humiliated in a civilian court, experts say.
Army leaders were said to be frustrated with Musharraf’s decision to return to Pakistan last year, but last week he was swiftly admitted to the military hospital in Rawalpindi complaining of chest pains. Musharraf had been due to appear in court on the treason charges that day after missing two earlier appearances due to what his lawyers termed security threats.
The timing of his hospitalization, after he had appeared to be in good health in media appearances, fueled widespread speculation that the military was determined not to let Musharraf stand trial. The charges, which carry the death penalty or life imprisonment, stem from 2007, when Musharraf responded to mounting political opposition by suspending Pakistan’s constitution and imposing a six-week state of emergency.
Sharif “wants to use him as a bargaining chip to get more leverage against the military, but things could go worse if he keeps on going tough on Musharraf,” said Raza Rumi, a political analyst in Islamabad.
The former army chief, who seized power in 1999 and ruled until 2008, was one of the staunchest allies in President George W. Bush’s war on terrorism. Musharraf broke with Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers, accepted billions in U.S. military and economic aid and permitted U.S. warplanes to launch strikes against suspected Taliban-allied Islamic militants in Pakistan’s northwestern tribal areas.
The final months of his rule were marked by a series of constitutional crises, and he left power in August 2008 with the threat of impeachment hanging over him. Athough he returned to Pakistan with plans to run for president, his political support had all but dried up in his absence and he immediately was confronted with legal challenges stemming from his eight-year rule.
In a hearing this week, prosecutor Akram Sheikh accused Musharraf of intentionally defying the court and called on the judges to issue a warrant for his arrest.
Ahmed Raza Kasuri, Musharraf’s lawyer, replied that the prosecutor was merely trying to embarrass Musharraf, saying, “We will not tolerate the humiliation of our army.”
Analysts said that Musharraf’s departure for medical reasons increasingly seemed to be the only way to resolve the standoff between the government and the army over his fate.
“Musharraf’s safety is part of the army’s core interests, while with every passing day it would become tougher for the government not to try him,” said Ayesha Siddiqa, a security and political analyst. “The political temperature would keep on rising as long as his case remained pending.”

Former strongman Pervez Musharraf may be leaving Pakistan - latimes.com

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The best thing would be to formally banish this good-for-nothing ex-dictator out of Pakistan and ban his entry for ever - let him suffer as it would be a good torture.

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I pity for our people seeing they hate everybody from Nawaz Sharif to Musharraf which made me think now then who'll be the lucky one they'll like? Is that person born yet or come from another world?

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How the hell people call him a Traitor who fought for Pakistan, help to made it prosper and especially karachiites will always be grateful to him because in his era only Karachi saw a huge development after a long time.

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If you go in details of Kargal only , That only is sufficient to know the reality of his command , conquering Islamabad , raping constitution , killing people ans slaving USA and destroying the country specially KPK and Baluchistan are the offences which are sufficient to call him traitor . We saw some civil work in Karachi after 9/11 but that was from the money of overseas Pakistanis and US money . We are paying great price of that US money and in total , we are in great loss and unfortunately he did nothing for nation and no project even .

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He did work in balochistan (re: Gawadar HELLOO) and Punjab as well. I don't know about KPK but isn't chitral in KPK where the APML err "independent candidate" belonging to them won in elections in May?

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Comment of some people on TV talk shows as well as on this forum is really funny, shows how shallow people brain works.

Their comments: Musharraf is running away from courts, judiciary is independents so Musharraf should trust judiciary and that if Musharraf is innocent then he would get cleared from judiciary ... all are absurd comments.

Is judiciary independent, incorruptible, impartial, and is following the constitution?

Obviously it is not true. Fact is that, Judiciary of Pakistan is haram-khor (most corrupt in Pakistan), paid servant of Nawaz thug (it is on record that Judges saying they are indebted to Shareef family), is corrupt to core (Iftikhar Chaudhary was known corrupt), is partial, and is violator of constitution (validated all martial laws in Pakistan and even told Musharraf that he can change constitution), so Musharraf relying or trusting this bias judiciary,and expecting justice from this judiciary, would be stupidity of Musharraf.

Clear Proof of judiciary partiality against Musharraf … can be seen when judiciary illegally and unconstitutionally banned Musharraf from contesting election for life, though in constitution there is no such thing as judiciary barring someone to contest election for life, especially to a person who is not convicted of any crime, as then and even today, Musharraf is not convicted in any case.

As for some saying that army is not behind Musharraf and should not be behind Musharraf, is also something not only illogical but absurd and hilarious ... as only fools in armed forces would not be behind Musharraf.

Reason: **Trial of Musharraf is not trial of Musharraf but it is trial of Pakistan armed forces **as purpose of trial is to create fear amongst officers of Pakistan armed forces, so that to stop future martial laws ... that only officers of armed forces can bring and not Musharraf.

Idea of government persecuting Musharraf (what Media and government is openly saying on TV) is to give message to armed forces that they never impose martial law and should keep quiet tolerating treacherous deals, corruption, nepotism, looting, plunder, misconduct, mismanagement, violation of constitution, and all sort of wrong doings and exploitation of Pakistan by corrupt politician. … Else, taking Musharraf to trial is absurd, as he in not expected to bring next martial law.

Further, Musharraf is not even guilty of any wrongs, be that of 1999 coup (that was done by Generals on ground while Musharraf was not even in Pakistan) or 2007 emergency (as constitution gives that right to President) ... and regardless, if Musharraf trial was not against Pakistan armed forces (so that to stop future martial laws, what government and media is giving impression) than Musharraf trial is meaningless.

One can say that Musharraf is suffering from persecution so that to create fear in 'Pakistan armed forces', as purpose of Musharraf trial is to give message and lesson to Pakistan armed forces, so that no future General of armed forces imposes Martial law in country regardless of what Politician do with the country, even sell the country, break the country, loot the country, F* the country, or destroy the country.

Who knows, it is possible that after demoralising Pakistan armed forces and becoming free from fear of martial law (something Nawaz and his chailay chamchay are dreaming), Nawaz might avail offers from India and Hindu fundamentalists of selling Kashmir to India for several hundred million dollars in Nawaz's Swiss account, and later dividing Pakistan into pieces for Money from India, Jews, or whoever want to disintegrate Pakistan ... without fearing that armed forces would do anything about it.

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So, what? He violated his oath and staged a military coup. That is a treason according to the Constitution.

Third Schedule: Oaths of Office

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Nonsense. Mush does not=army & neither are soldiers above the law. Now, here is question for you. Did Mush violated the law and by getting involved in politics?

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A civilian democratically elected president appears before the court
Zardari appears before Accountability Court as hearing adjourned | SAMAA TV

And a so called brave seeking exemptions
Treason case: Court’s ruling on Musharraf exemption today | SAMAA TV

Danda hath main ho aur one million guns on one’s disposal , he can easily say

**Main darta warta kisi say naheen hoon

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What a lie ... Musharraf did not violated his oath nor staged military coup, rather it was NS who violated constitution by trying to sack Army Chief without giving any show cause notice neither right to defend himself if there was any cause. Nawaz also endangered Musharraf life by trying to divert plane landing, and that is analogous to high jacking the plane, that in Pakistani law at the time was crime with capital punishment (hanging until death).

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(In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.)

I, ____________, do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan and uphold the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which embodies the will of the people, that I will not engage myself in any political activities whatsoever and that I will honestly and faithfully serve Pakistan in the Pakistan Army (or Navy or Air Force) as required by and under the law.

May Allah Almighty help and guide me (A'meen)*

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In above oath, it is clear that first duty of an army officer is allegiance to Pakistan and that means upholding the constitution as long as it is not harming Pakistan ... and that principle is true for all army officers, rather all Pakistanis.

For instance: According to constitution, a lower cadre officer have to obey order of superior officer. Still, according to oath ... that serving Pakistan is above constitution or any oath requirement, such that, even if President, Prime Minister, Minister, Army Chief, or anyone is seen involved in activities harming Pakistan then lower cadre officer (or any Pakistani) can violate constitution and stop upper cadre officer (or superior authority) from harming Pakistan, even if in process the person kills his superior.

Example: Rashid Minhas was flying air-force aircraft with an officer who was his superior. Anyhow, when Rashid Minhas realised that the officer is trying to take the aircraft to India, Rashid Minhas struggled against his superior officer causing the plane to crash (killing both Rashid Minhas and his superior officer). No one says that Rashid Minhas violated his army oath or constitutional requirement of obeying his superior officer, rather, for his act of defending interest of Pakistan, Rashid Minhas was awarded Nishan-e-Haider.

Again Nonsense. Obviously Musharraf is not Army ... but trial of Musharraf is certainly trial of Army. Reason is simple, that is:

Government, Media, Judges, Lawyers, journalists, all who advocate trial of Musharraf, say that it would stop future Martial law... and that means, trial of Musharraf in itself is unimportant, but important is to give message to Army officers. Hence trial of Musharraf is not to punish Musharraf ... rather, it is to warn and intimidate officers of Armed forces.

As for violation of constitution is concerned, what you are crowing in many posts, fact is that ... corruption, lies, looting, nepotism, mismanagement, misuse of power ... (and many more that Pakistani politicians, judiciary, police, and bureaucracy do every day) is violation of constitution.

So, if anyone should be punished for violation of constitution, then most Pakistani politicians, judiciary, police, and bureaucracy are guilty of this crime, and should be punished in same way as person who violated any clause of constitution.

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Carry on saluting traitors

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What a lie ... Musharraf did not violated his oath nor staged military coup...
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And the water is not wet according to you...:D

Crime and punishment always have 2 parts 1) to deliver justice 2) to deter future crime(s). Why do you find that surprising?

Btw, army's job is to guard frontiers & not run the country. As for Mushy, he is coward & most likely will run away & die in some foreign country like the Shah of Iran... not unexpected from buzdil dictator. If he believes he is innocent he should face courts like a man instead of hiding in hospital & faking his sickness.

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I never said that water is dry, but when anyone try to say (or give impression) that water is not wet, I have all right to correct the person. :)

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Crime and punishment always have to parts 1) to deliver justice 2) to deter future crime(s). Why do you find that surprising?
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Well, ... if punishment is to deliver justice than as I wrote, Musharraf is not guilty of any crime. Still, if someone insists (against the constitution, law and logic) that Musharraf emergency was crime, then justice is not about punishment of one person involved in that crime, rather justice is to punish all who were involved in that crime, else punishment becomes victimization ... that is not only injustice but it is against Islam too.

For instance, in any society, for same or similar crime, when one person gets punished and all others get away, than that is not called punishment but it is called victimization and injustice. That is why Allah destroyed many nation where poor and weak used to get punished and rich, powerful and privileged used to get away. Here also Musharraf is getting punished for crime he has not done, just because community he gets classified is weaker than those who want to punish him (same happened with Z A Bhutto). That means, if punishment is required for a crime of imposing emergency, than all who were involved in emergency should be punished ... else no one deserved punishment (and that is, if emergency is illegal).

Anyhow, as for your second reason for punishment... that is about deterrent value, than it is obvious that Musharraf punishment (rather victimization) is for deterrent of officers in armed forces who may bring Martial law in future, and that means, persecuting and victimizing Musharraf is linked with armed forces, so prosecuting Musharraf is prosecuting armed forces.

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Btw, army's job is to guard frontiers & not run the country. As for Mushy, he is coward & most likely will run away & die in some foreign country like the Shah of Iran... not unexpected from buzdil dictator. If he believes he is innocent he should face courts like a man instead of hiding in hospital & faking his sickness.
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You mean ... army job is to guard frontier while Politicians, Judiciary, Bureaucrats and Police do all sorts of corruption, lie, loot, plunder and destroy Pakistan, make Pakistan a nation of beggar, violate constitution, and so on?

Obviously not. Armed forces are defender of Pakistan, who should defend Pakistan from outside forces as well as internal crooks and parasites.

If Musharraf was Buzdil then he would not have come to Pakistan, and even when he came, he would have left when he was offered to leave in October as well as November. But then, I believe, option of leaving Pakistan is open to Musharraf even today, and if he stays in Pakistan than it would be his own decision.

As for Musharraf believing that he is innocent, than it is not only him but most Pakistanis who can think believe that he is innocent. That is different matter that Musharraf is facing judges who are bias, corrupt, characterless, incompetent, and revengeful (revengeful because Musharraf when in power, stopped them doing corruption and nepotism). Musharraf facing these characterless judges is same as Kashmiri Muslim facing Hindu judges belonging to 'Shiv-Sena' on terrorism charge. No civilized or Islamic society could allow bias judges who have their own grudges against accused to judge that accused.

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Not guilty according to who? Has the trial concluded? As for as I Know Mushy is hiding & scared to face the court.

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For instance, in any society, for same or similar crime, when one person gets punished and all others get away, than that is not called punishment but it is called victimization and injustice.
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Excellent logic. If you can't punished all criminals why punish some? In that case just close the jails and let all criminals out.

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Anyhow, as for your second reason for punishment... that is about deterrent value, than it is obvious that Musharraf punishment (rather victimization) is for deterrent of officers in armed forces who may bring Martial law in future, and that means, persecuting and victimizing Musharraf is linked with armed forces, so prosecuting Musharraf is prosecuting armed forces.]
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Why do you think there is ban on soldiers from participating in politics? And, isn't army chief a solider?

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You mean ... army job is to guard frontier while Politicians, Judiciary, Bureaucrats, Police loot, plunder and destroy Pakistan, make Pakistan a nation of beggar, liar and corrupt?
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Irrelevant as for as what anyone else does, but military exists to protect country from external threats. Its suppose to operate under civilian control, and army chief is a grade 22 officer bellow the rank of defense secretary. Oh, and army is just as corrupt. How do you think Mushy manged to buy a multi million dollars flat in London? Do you think all that came from halal ke kumaai?

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^ Shamraz, I suspect you’ll be running around in circles. :hypo: