pakistan army was making progress in tribal areas before khussies got musharraf to move the army out. violence did not stop after army left and instead govt supporters were left to fend for themselves and indeed were killed by the hundreds. worst of all, terrorists used the break in fighting to re-arm themselves and now pose much stronger threat than before. as a result of timidity displayed by musharraf, lives of ordinary pakistanis is now under serious risk. the buck stops with musharraf and instead of pandering to his khussy political backers, musharraf should look after the interests of his supporters who have stood by him and through thick and thin. sure pak army might take casualties but thats the price army has to pay.
also i would support a complete ban on the appearance of jihadi supporters on pak media. it makes my blood boil to see some pakistanis defend those who murder innocent pakistanis. no other country on earth permits terrorist sympathisers unrestricted access to the media.
Musharraf needs to follow ZAB's example in Balochistan, and send tens of thousands of troops into FATA and troubled parts of NWFP and smash the extremists once and for all.
The following statement is not serious, nor do I actually mean it, but it does have to be said rhetorically:
Should the entire world get together and come to the conclusion that they are better off completely wiping off Wazirastan and FATA from the face of the earth? Morally questionable, but it would be a very effective way to rid the world of the least contributing and most destructive population segment in the entire wordl.
The following statement is not serious, nor do I actually mean it, but it does have to be said rhetorically:
Should the entire world get together and come to the conclusion that they are better off completely wiping off Wazirastan and FATA from the face of the earth? Morally questionable, but it would be a very effective way to rid the world of the least contributing and most destructive population segment in the entire wordl.
think tribal areas should be treated as a law and order problem. targeting the whole area would create unnecessary enemies. the problem as it currently stands is that people who oppose the tribal mercenaries are intimidated because they get killed for opposing the jehadis. we need to empower these people. i remember watching the interview of the mna who was elected from bajur by-election after ji mna resigned to protest the attack on terrorist compound. the new mna was from anp and he said that tribal areas need to be developed like the rest of pak but that govt only listens to terrorists.
I think this is an insult to dum.....joke aside, Musharraf is leader of our country(indeed he's a tyrant) but he deserves respect, I request to mods, please change the title of this thread from "dum-ass musharraf " to something decent.
The "peace deal" was done because Musharraf sees Taliban as an asset to keep Afghanistan under control. Like all megalomaniacs, he has a God complex and believed that he could channel the Taliban energies to wherever he chose. However, he failed to realize that the Taliban are not puppets - they are humans with own ideas and unlike many, they actually believe that they are right. That is why they started using their influence inside Pakistan itself. Now, we are all paying the price for this idiotic policy.
If any area needs to be wiped out, then I suggest that we get all officers above Brigadier rank into a playground and then bomb it to bits. Let some fresh ideas come up and new leadership emerge. All these GHQ moves have ended up destroying Pakistani society, reputation and security. Army and agencies should once and for all delink from radicals.
I think this is an insult to dum.....joke aside, Musharraf is leader of our country(indeed he's a tyrant) but he deserves respect, I request to mods, please change the title of this thread from "dum-ass musharraf " to something decent.
yes, musharraf is the tyrant and and messers bin laden and zawahari are the true personification of all that is good and holy - the real soldiers of islam. in fact i hope that you get to observe the work of one of their disciples from up close and person to see the goodness these people are spreading in pakistan these days.
The "peace deal" was done because Musharraf sees Taliban as an asset to keep Afghanistan under control. Like all megalomaniacs, he has a God complex and believed that he could channel the Taliban energies to wherever he chose. However, he failed to realize that the Taliban are not puppets - they are humans with own ideas and unlike many, they actually believe that they are right. That is why they started using their influence inside Pakistan itself. Now, we are all paying the price for this idiotic policy.
If any area needs to be wiped out, then I suggest that we get all officers above Brigadier rank into a playground and then bomb it to bits. Let some fresh ideas come up and new leadership emerge. All these GHQ moves have ended up destroying Pakistani society, reputation and security. Army and agencies should once and for all delink from radicals.
yes, taliban have absolutely no support among the pakhtuns especially in the tribal areas. and musharraf is unpoular in pak because of the support he is providing to taliban when the awam wants him to support bush. oh and by conquering afghanistan, pakistan will have all the oil that it needs for its energy resources. next musharraf will turn his attention to somalia because of the advance weapons technology developed in that country. once musharraf controls afghanistan and somalia, pakistan will rule the world.
Does tyrant allows retards (mentally handicap madrassa students and misguided so-called ulemas) and insignificants (politicians, corrupt journalists, and ordinary citizens) of society to come in public (TV and other media of that country) and talk bad about that tyrant in country that tyrant (with over one million loyal and disciplined armed soldiers under him) rules?
The Taliban have supporters as well as opponents among Pakhtuns. You have to remember that Pakhtuns are conservative but not radical. The Taliban movement makes little mention of Pakhtun nationalism but explicitly rejects it saying all Muslims must unite to follow Sharia and wage war against those who resist.
The first people who were killed off when Musharraf made the truce were the Pakhtun political agents and maliks who represented the system that was in place for centuries dating back to British rule. If you know anything about that area, you'll know that nowhere you'll find 25-30 year old commanding or dictating anything. From time immemorial the place was dominated by elders within tribes and sub-tribes who kept track of events in their own way.
Musharraf's deal basically destroyed that system in a matter of months. Also, do not act as though "strategic depth" was no part of the policy. When baldie Cheney came and pushed a bit, Musharraf gave up a Taliban #2 man within hours.
When you play games with fanatics, you risk your own life as well as those of people around you.
I think this is an insult to dum.....joke aside, Musharraf is leader of our country(indeed he's a tyrant) but he deserves respect, I request to mods, please change the title of this thread from "dum-ass musharraf " to something decent.
I agree. Our folks have too much anarchist tendencies which need to be checked.
I join you in requesting a change to the title of this thread.
Does tyrant allows retards (mentally handicap madrassa students and misguided so-called ulemas) and insignificants (politicians, corrupt journalists, and ordinary citizens) of society to come in public (TV and other media of that country) and talk bad about that tyrant in country that tyrant (with over one million loyal and disciplined armed soldiers under him) rules?
army generals either order or obey orders - they have no vision beyond their noses.. their mis-adventures have destroyed Paksiatn in Paisitan - now they are bent to destroy of what remains..
In identifying the main reasons for Al Qaeda’s resurgence, intelligence officials and White House aides pointed the finger squarely at a hands-off approach toward the tribal areas by Pakistan’s president, General Pervez Musharraf, who last year brokered a cease-fire with tribal leaders in an attempt to drain support for Islamic extremism in the region.
American officials make little secret of their skepticism that Musharraf has the capability to be effective in the mountainous territory along the Afghan border, where his troops have been bloodied before by a mix of Qaeda leaders and tribes that view the territory as their own, not part of Pakistan.
“We’ve seen in the past that he’s sent people in and they get wiped out,” said one senior official involved in the internal debate.
Fine, we know, you learned a new phrase this week that you keep throwing everywhere. What exactly do you know about it, do you even understand the concept or context? have you read The Prince?